I was leaning toward trading Hubbard to a strapped team. Get an extra draft pick and clear up the extra cap space to help with 2022 carry-over and extending Teller.
Then again, it may just be because a guy named Blake can apparently man the Tackle position in a pinch.
Could be.. $5M/year is a lot to pay for a back-up OL... until you need them. Depends on how much confidence the staff has in some of these other guys to step up.
Wills, Bitonio, Tretter, Teller, Conklin that is our starting 5 can't see anyone breaking that.
Hubbard quite frankly I think we should let him go. I liked Lamm at RT he actually played quite well. I think he's been backing up at LT cause that is where the need was but he is actually a good functioning RT but his play goes down working at LT.
The new guy Hance I thought did a great job - One game at RG for just a few plays but the other game at the most difficult OL slot LT he did a very good job. I think he should remain here as that 6th man - able to step in at OG or OT possibly Center also. Speaking of Center don't forget Nick Harris as good replacement at Center.
People can't really know the input Tretter has with the OL I mean that guy led the OL I know Callahan gets a ton of credit but the on field Coach for the OL is Tretter. He was fantastic all year!
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I was leaning toward trading Hubbard to a strapped team. Get an extra draft pick and clear up the extra cap space to help with 2022 carry-over and extending Teller.
Then again, it may just be because a guy named Blake can apparently man the Tackle position in a pinch.
Could be.. $5M/year is a lot to pay for a back-up OL... until you need them. Depends on how much confidence the staff has in some of these other guys to step up.
Hubbard is more than our primary sub. He is also the first guy to come in when we need a 6th lineman. I have no idea if that's something only he can do vs the other guys, but it's part of his role and needs to be taken into account when looking to move him off the roster.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I'd try to keep him. He's shown himself to be very valuable. Now if the coaching staff and FO feels that Dunn or Hance can fill his role fine.. They know more than I do. Also, we have Drew Forbes coming back and Nick Harris although Harris is considered a center.
I think Harris showed that he's fine in a pinch, but shouldn't be counted on to be more than a backup center. He struggled in his second game.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I was leaning toward trading Hubbard to a strapped team. Get an extra draft pick and clear up the extra cap space to help with 2022 carry-over and extending Teller.
Then again, it may just be because a guy named Blake can apparently man the Tackle position in a pinch.
I think the odd man pout should be Lamm. I honestly didn't see him do anything to be kept. He was bad more than he was good.
Tyrann Mathieu is one of those guys I don't like because he's constantly jawing, constantly shoving around in the pile after the play, getting in WRs faces all the time...
Tyrann Mathieu is one of those guys I don't like because he's constantly jawing, constantly shoving around in the pile after the play, getting in WRs faces all the time...
But I'd take him on the Browns in a heartbeat.
We all love Chubb (never saying anything, just handing the ball to the ref, etc), but let's face it... he's the exception to the rule.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Its impressive cause its like catching a chicken...lol
And many here over rate Hubbard. Playing a position is one thing. Being successful is another. Lamm played RT better than Hubbard.
Dunn and Hance played OG better. Hubbard when in at RG was a sieve. And his play at RT was terrible. 2019 he was serviceable I guess but was one of the OTs that had PFF stating we had the worst OTs in the NFL. I saw his play in 2020 go down from that bad play in 2019.
time to move on. jmho
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That reminds me of something I have been thinking about.
I am not saying it will be outright retribution, but I can't help but wonder how many players who opted out around the league won't make teams next year.
They had to lose some sort of standing to other players.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I would hope it's more nuanced than that. There were guys that opted out with the extra COVID risk (IIRC, many of our guys had this). Even beyond this, I would think it would get filed under "it's a business", like most other contract-related tactics.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I would hope it's more nuanced than that. There were guys that opted out with the extra COVID risk (IIRC, many of our guys had this). Even beyond this, I would think it would get filed under "it's a business", like most other contract-related tactics.
Maybe my using the term retribution jaded the picture. It's just a word. I wasn't trying to imply some sinister plan to get back at anyone.
I don't think X's are going next to Billings and Forbes' names at this point as the team is evaluating players and position groups for next year.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I didn't take it that way, but I did think it was an interesting thought. Not one I considered before.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Yeah we had some injuries that others took advantage of and made a good account of themselves. Forbes could have been that guy but others took over. I'm sure he had reasons for opting out at the time there was so much we didn't know about the virus.
I don't think there will be a target on his back for doing so. Just that he missed opportunities to show his stuff and others did. So in that regard he could be last man on the depth chart and a hard road to stay with the team. Not as a penalty for opting out just the way things went, I guess.
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Yeah we had some injuries that others took advantage of and made a good account of themselves. Forbes could have been that guy but others took over. I'm sure he had reasons for opting out at the time there was so much we didn't know about the virus.
I don't think there will be a target on his back for doing so. Just that he missed opportunities to show his stuff and others did. So in that regard he could be last man on the depth chart and a hard road to stay with the team. Not as a penalty for opting out just the way things went, I guess.
He is definately going to have to impress them. Ain't it great they are finally building Oline depth?
In this special edition of the 2 Minute Drill, Nathan Zegura takes a look at the Browns current offensive line situation and breaks down what they did well in 2020 and what they can look forward to in 2021.
It was literally an embarrassment of riches, and I love it. For the old timers around here, going back to the early 2000's, how many discussions were had about how bad our OLines were? How long did we suffer with lines that just couldn't block anything?
Our current situation is beautiful
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
1986 OL was awesome in both the run game and Pass Protection ///
LT Paul Farren LG Larry Williams C Mike Baab RG Dan Fike RT Cody Risien*
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
LT Doug Dieken LG Henry Sheppard C Tom DeLeone RG Joe DeLamielleure RT Cody Risien
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Here is the 1994 OL the last time we won a playoff game ...
LT Tony Jones LG Doug Dawson C Steve Everitt RG Bob Dahl RT Gene Williams
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
It’s probably true of all teams, but we have some interesting guys back who weren’t playing last year, like Forbes on the OL. It’s almost like we have an extra draft. This team suddenly has depth everywhere.
I think Hubbard's injury combined with the draft plus guys coming back from sitting out last year (but mostly the former) means Hubbard is pretty much gone already.
I'm bummed. I was impressed how he responded to the demotion and was still able to carve out a role for himself in the offense. That's a guy you want next to you in your position group/locker room.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I think Hubbard's injury combined with the draft plus guys coming back from sitting out last year (but mostly the former) means Hubbard is pretty much gone already.
I'm bummed. I was impressed how he responded to the demotion and was still able to carve out a role for himself in the offense. That's a guy you want next to you in your position group/locker room.
No question that Hubbard is a quality man and a quality player. If it ends up that he is truly gone, I wish him well,
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