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No justice...no peace. There are two justice systems in the USA. One for whites. One for blacks.

I am guessing that there are literally thousands of court systems in the U.S., so two might be a low ball estimate. As a citizen, you help elect the legislators that create the laws, the local judges that ensure fairness in proceedings, the mayors and city councils responsible for staffing law enforcement. If you feel that your local government and justice system is not treating black people fairly, then you and your neighbors should do something about that.

They are doing something about it, it just happens to be the wrong thing.

The KY AG is talking about releasing the grand jury demographics. I'm curious to see it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant


This seems like a significant issue.

It is a significant issue.

That's the sad reality of what's going on in the Breonna Taylor case. Protestors want their pound of flesh. I understand that line of thinking. An innocent person was murdered. As such everyone wants justice when someone is murdered. They want someone to pay for that murder. I know some will have a problem with the word "murdered" but that is what happened. The problem here is blaming the cops involved.

I won't debate whether the cops identified themselves. They claim they did and a witness also claims they did. Either way, her boyfriend claims he didn't hear them. Both can be true. But it's really not worthy of debate because a no knock warrant doesn't require they knock or identify themselves anyway.

Once her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker took the first shot, the officers involved had every right to return fire. I do not know any reasonable person who would not return fire when being shot at.

So who was wrong here? If you feel someone is storming into your home to do you harm, you are going to defend yourself. If you are a cop who is being shot at, you are going to defend yourself.

What went wrong here was the process. The process that had the cops going to the wrong address. The process that allows no knock warrants to be far more common place with far less restrictions. The process that no longer uses enough surveillance and investigation to determine if a situation is valid, the address is correct and all of the proper requirements are met to demand a no knock warrant.

Her death is surely a miscarriage of justice. An innocent woman lost her life due to sloppy police work, a judge who was too quick to issue such a warrant, and a failure on all levels that is far too prominent by those who hold the positions of authority and power.

This is a prime example of why police reform is needed. Of why justice reform is needed. It's an example of why people are angry. We can all sit here and blame the other side but the fact is there's plenty of blame to go around. People are no longer going to sit quietly in their homes and watch things like this continue to take place without taking action.

Yet in this case I think they have their aim focused in the wrong direction if they wish to blame these cops for acting within the confines of the law.

Surprised they didn't at least try for 2nd degree manslaughter, but the chances of conviction for that charge would be very slim.

There has been so much misinformation about this case, spread mostly by the family's lawyer and all these pro athletes. You even see it in posts on this site.

The cops were NOT at the wrong address. The address was listed on the warrant, along with Breonna Taylor's name.

She was NOT asleep in bed when she was shot, though many of the professional athletes would have you believe that.

We have all the complaints about misinformation in social media, but no one calls out misinformation by celebrities using their "platform." It's just as dangerous.

We can discuss the validity of no-knock warrants, but that is really another discussion, and doesn't really factor in this case if the cops knocked and announced who they were (this situation could always happen where someone doesn't hear).I am personally against no-knock warrants to avoid situations like this.

And PS is right, there are 2 sets of judicial systems in the US, but it's not black vs. white....it's rich and connected vs. poor. The Jussie Smollett case should have proven that to you.

I agree that very rich people have a different legal system

But you are crazy if you think that -- at every economic level -- the legal system doesn't treat white people better than minorities.

What evidence do you have from a dead woman that she was not asleep?

None, other than the fact she was shot in a hallway, and people don't usually sleep in a hallway.

Oh yeah, there is also testimony from her boyfriend that they both woke up and walked to the hallway.

But yes, other than that, no evidence...smh

So when the cops got there they were asleep in their beds. Thanks.

Yeah, probably.

But she was not asleep when she was shot, which is exactly what my first post said. So I don't really know what you are arguing?

Don't get mad because I called you out for posting false info that the cops were at the wrong address. It's an easy mistake to make because false information has been spread like crazy in case by people wanting to widen the racial divide.

Don't join in.

What are you talking about? Maybe you should read my post again.

Your post stating that the cops in this case went to the wrong address. That statement has been proven false.

Stop spreading false info.

Depends on what you mean by "wrong" -- they did go to the address on the warrant.

However, the evidence is very flimsy there were any drugs going through that address -- the Postal Service has said that there was no evidence of unusual packages going to the address, and no evidence of drugs was found at the house. It seems that this was a fishing expedition at best -- which is crazy for a no-knock middle-of-the-night raid.

I would have actually expected a lot more accidental deaths than this.

It would be interesting to see if we can find some information on numbers of standoffs and hostage situations to see by how much they are increasing/decreasing over the same time period. I tried a quick search but couldn't find anything.

Maybe this will help you. They were sent to the wrong address. If you read the post it said the "process that had the cops going to the wrong address". There was zero evidence found that gave any validation to her residence being a drug house. They certainly did go to the address listed on the warrant.

Context is everything.

And here is a police officer nonchalantly running over a man's head with a bicycle:

https://www.q13fox.com/video/854082?fbcl...wbNmpKGwiub8SMU

The guy laid down right in front of the bike. He's got some culpability.

I could show a video of blm people (some of them white, by the way) smashing windows on a vehicle, kicking dents in the vehicle...........all because it was a white person, in the suburbs of Philly. I won't though, because of the language.

In this case you have to believe that the police are being protected by the laws.

The law needs to change. It is unconscionable that a person could be at home in bed, have the police force entry into your house and you not be able to defend yourself. At that point in time, the issue about police yelling police does not make a difference. A criminal could just as easily yell police to slow your actions. Your first reaction is to protect yourself. There is an attack of your premise, you have a right to defend yourself.

There has to be very special circumstance for such a warrant to be issued. Like imminent risk of death to others. Using such warrants for common drug enforcement actions makes no sense at all.

turns out that it wasn't a no-knock warrant. According to the news that I heard today, this is what actually happened:

The police knocked multiple times, announced their presence several times. The voices of Breonna and her boyfriend could be heard inside. Instead of opening the door, he chose to get his gun and get into shooting position, waiting for the officers to come through the door. He shot the first officer through and the officers returned fire. Breonna was standing next to the boyfriend in the hallway and got shot. She was not in the bed. One of the officers was reckless with his firearm and fired into surrounding apartments. He is the one that was indicted today.

You need to post a link for this.

There are so many versions, many which conflict, you will have to provide the source.

Unfortunately, statements by Louisville Police or any authority cannot be considered reliable.

I agree about the links, but it's amazing that so many of you trust the opinions of people who were not there, such as NBA players, and don't believe the police. BTW........the AG is a black man.

I hope every riotor and person committing violence realizes that means more voters for Trump.

The Democrats need to do a better job at distancing themselves from the violent riots as well. It's a not a good look.

The AG is a black man, yes. But he is also a Trump supporting republican. So that makes him hard to believe. That's the state of our country under Trump.

You're right. I stated that too concretely and should have qualified it with - this is the last story I heard.

And you are dead on, there are so many version.
It is impossible for me to say for sure which version is the true series of events.

Who exactly would you consider credible?

This does not seem entirely accurate. Her boyfriend at the time had no idea it was the police and was terrified.

The NYT The Daily podcast did a two episodes podacst on Breonna Taylor.

After listening to it, based on KY law, the only way murder/homicide charges were going to be filed was if the bullet that killed her came from the gun of Det. Brett Hankinson. The other two cops that fired were within their right to fire under KY law.

Her death is absolutely tragic.

I recommend listening for details in the case that have been muddied over time in the media.


The Killing of Breonna Taylor Part 1

The Killing of Breonna Taylor Part 2

I love that the people who scream the loudest about discrimination are also the first ones to practice discrimination.

Labeling is a bad thing. Discrimination is a bad thing. Picking and choosing when to discriminate or who to label is a bigger sin than almost any other.

You are going to use the NY Times as evidence? LMAO man. They are even more biased than Fox.

There are a ton of reports out there. It might be a good idea to read them all before coming to any conclusions.

Really? You came to that conclusion without listening?

What was the NYT The Daily's podcast bias and conclusion in this story?

I came to the conclusion that the NY Times and Fox Opinion are too biased to be trusted.

I simply asked for all to do more research. There is a lot out there.

Not interested in arguing about which is right or wrong. I just encourage to research more reliable resources.

Who is discriminating? You pointed out the AG was black. I pointed out he was a GOPer. No GOPer can be trusted by anybody on the left these days. Didn't used to be like that, but it is now.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

The latest information about the incident according to the New York Times.

You are discriminating by saying that no one who supports Trump can be trusted. That's a discriminatory statement. It's almost as bad as those of you who say that all Trump supporters are racist, Nazis, and fascists. Or, that all blacks are lazy, criminals, unintelligent.

I don't like labels and broad statements for groups of people. Judge individuals as individuals and stop w/all the hateful labels and categories.

I'll be happy to own that discrimination. I trust NO GOPers in power. NONE.

Of course you do and don't.

Now you are getting a clue.

The most credible news sources are AP and Reuters. They tend to present facts without much commentary.