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I agree - perhaps the president shouldn't continue to prop them up then?

Sorry - I tend to re-read and do that... but i don't think they are minor comments...

For the record, I added the second and third quotes from the wiki article 5-10 min later...

and I changed "literally is" to "is literally" in the next post, because it sounded better.

Okay, I'm getting the feeling that one side does not want me to discuss the comparisons of Hitler vs Trump and the circumstances that Germany was in compared to where the USA is in currently.

I do know that there are a lot of folks on this board who are pretty much middle of the road. They see the good and bad in both parties. I think you call them Centrists, but I'm not sure about that. That makes sense to me because centr is the Latin root word for "center." I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I also think that there are people on the right who don't like to post on this forum due to the bullying by a group of about a half dozen or so dudes on the left.

So, w/out really discussing it.............here are some things to research in case you are interested.

--The dates of WWI.

--The Treaty of Versailles and how its mandates affected Germany.

--The massive destruction of the German homeland.

--The long-lasting poverty that followed the war and the treaty.

--The timing of the Global Great Depression.

--The loathing of the German people had for the Treaty of Versailles.

--The absence of hope. Do not devalue this one. These people went over a decade in a state of immense poverty. They looked around and saw the Jews thriving. [Btw.......I am a huge supporter of the Jews. I am just talking about the common man in Germany.]

--Their nation was once great. They were known for their intelligence, inventions, and innovations. And now, they were thrust in an over a decade of despair.

--Now, research what Hitler and the Nazis promised them. Look up how it was important to find a common enemy. Consider that people need to have hope. Consider that they feel they are being exploited. Consider that they hung on to promises due to despair. Consider they wanted someone to blame.

--Research Hitler's background. His upbringing. Homeless. Reserved, yet a dynamic speaker. Trump, born into wealth. Flamboyant, yet a terrible orator.

--One last thing.............consider, if you will, which group in our current society that most closely resembles the Nazi party? The ones who are already in control and have the wealth, or the poor and downtrodden, who feel exploited by the elite and are protesting against the establishment?

--FWIW: I am not saying the the BLM movement is similar to the the Nazi party, but if one examines the details, they have a lot more in common than the Trump and the GOP does w/the Nazis.

No big deal. I didn't think you were pulling a fast one. I was just clarifying because one of my replies seemed a bit off after the edit. Again............no big deal.

Yes the anti fascists are the fascists...

Come on man, I'm familiar with all those topics and you are right, it sounds a lot like what is happening here. BUT the driving force is Trump and his supporters. The racism, bigotry, hateful rhetoric toward all things left, the throwing away/destruction of our institutions and norms... it's all eerily similar to the German situation. Add this to a divided population that is being kept at each other's throats, while many never recovered from 2008 and are now looking at even harder times. And NOBODY is looking out for them...

Then Trump says crap like, you have good genes, the best genes, the greatest genes... Sounds like the crap the Nazis did to me.

Just me and my opinion, but I think the comments about Trump and Hitler has less to do with the country at large and "Nazi Germany" as it does to do with how, as leaders, they share similar autocratic tendencies and are essentially xenophobic. I think you probably realize this.

A quick google on the subject and I found this which I think will resonate with most:

https://www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion...tler-and-trump/

Both Hitler and Trump attack the judiciary and rule of law.
Both Hitler and Trump attack the media.
Both men degrade anyone who disagrees with them.
Both denigrate the immigrants.
Both demonize their political opponents.
Neither was elected by the majority.

Hitler attacked democracy itself by purging voter roles and challenging the integrity of electoral process. Before the outcome of the 2016 election was made final Trump said he would decline to accept anything other than a win. That it was rigged.

Then of course there's the fact that Trump is happy to pander to the Alt Right and the White Supremacists. He retweets their memes, he calls the Qanon crackpots "patriotic" .... Whether you want to call Trump a racist, he certainly has a history going back to his days owning/running his casinos treating his black employees very differently and in a "highly questionable" fashion as well as numerous other issues.

And of course there is the " The Big lie" comparison - whereby the pathological liar that is Trump has echoes of how Hitler lied to Germany so outrageously and an expression that was coined by Hitler.

Nazi's and BLM ??? Yeah - you'd have to work hard to make those dots connect.

I was hoping for a decent exchange, but it won't happen. So, for all of you who are on the fence, do the research for yourself and see if I am correct or not. I'll answer any questions whether it be in a PM or even here on the the board. Again, I am not a historian, but I have a decent understanding of what went on in Germany and it's not close to what is going on in the USA.

I agree the countries were in different situations.

I guess when I am comparing trump/hitler, I am more comparing their methodology for gaining control. And the comparison to nazi's is the easiest because that is the most familiar but I think this is really the how to become an autocrat/dictator playbook.

I recently watched a netflix series called Hitler's Circle of Evil. As I watched, I was taken aback by the similarities between what they were showing in regards to how hitler gained his power to what I see trump trying to do.

If you have netflix I would recommend watching it. Whether you agree with my observation or not, it was a pretty good show.

j/c

I haven't watched that series. I might check it out because it sounds interesting.

I will only say that many articles, documentaries, books, speeches, etc may be slanted by propaganda one way or another. Heck, I remember watching President Regan extolling the "Freedom Fighters" on national TV. Well, we all know who that group turned out to be. Thus, I think it's a good idea to try to stick to the facts as much as possible.

I do think that there are sinister similarities to many governments and/or reigns of power throughout the course of history. Achieving power comes at a steep cost. Again, I am not a historian, but the best and/or most simple comparison to what is going on inside the United States is probably ancient Rome in the latter stages of their rule. They grew fat and lazy. They were too spread out and harbored much resentment from foreign lands. There was a lot of civil unrest. Wretched, deviant behavior was commonplace w/in Rome, itself. They crumbled from w/in and the outside world took advantage of Rome's inner conflict.

I have been part of the voice preaching for the people of the United States to "come together" or unite for years. Our message is falling upon deaf ears and minds that seek retribution and are driven by self-serving motives. I have shelved the "come together" talk....at least on this board.

I have not looked up the numbers but isn't 60 to 70 percent of the population white? That would mean almost any crowd would be mostly white?

Such a vile mouth breather.

But wait ... where are the examples of his divisive behavior !

Thank you!

It is amazing how desensitized we have gotten to this stuff - and how insanely outside the bounds (of any US politician since at least the 1970s) this is.

My father’s generation can’t leave this rock fast enough in my mind. They’re bringing ruin to us.

Goodness.

This.

Not it.

That seems extreme....

80% of the population in Minnesota is white. Do the math.

So was the last BLM gathering I saw.

It's almost 80% white. And Minnesota is where he chose to say this. I guess you're not making the connection.

Trump privately blamed Black Americans for lacking initiative: report

President Trump allegedly made private claims among senior officials that a lack of initiative, rather than racism, had prevented progress in the United States by Black Americans, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

The Post story put remarks Trump made in private in the context of other derogatory remarks it said he privately made about other groups, including Hispanics and Jewish Americans.

More than two dozen current and former U.S. officials spoke to the Post about the remarks, it said. Many did so on the condition of anonymity because they said they feared retribution.

Officials said that in one instance, Trump said following phone calls with Jewish lawmakers that Jews “are only in it for themselves” and “stick together” in an ethnic alliance.

In response to first lady Melania Trump’s planned 2018 trip to Africa, the president reportedly said he “could never understand why she would want to go there.”

According to a former senior White House official who spoke to the Post, Trump responded to staffers who challenged him on his views by saying, “No one loves Black people more than me.”

In response to a request for comment, the White House directed The Hill to a statement provided to the Post from White House Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews.

“Donald Trump’s record as a private citizen and as president has been one of fighting for inclusion and advocating for the equal treatment of all,” Matthews told the Post. “Anyone who suggests otherwise is only seeking to sow division.”

The Post reported that none of the U.S. officials interviewed could provide an instance of Trump saying a racial or ethnic slur in his three and a half years in office. Additionally, the officials do not think Trump supports “white supremacy or white nationalism.”

The reporting comes with less than two months left until Trump faces re-election against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

Polls show Trump behind Biden, particularly among Black voters, though polls show Trump doing well with Hispanics compared to 2016.

On Tuesday, Trump announced that he was extending his administration’s ban on race- and sex-based discrimination training for federal agency employees by including federal contractors as well.

In an executive order, the White House claimed that training on “divisive concepts,” such as ideas that one racial group is superior, “perpetuates racial stereotypes and division and can use subtle coercive pressure to ensure conformity of viewpoint.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...itiative-report

And nobody was claiming they had better genes.

Trump is helping them accomplish that.

i laughed at this for probably all the wrong reasons lol

Tell me if you will, how does it make a hard working patriotic Black man feel to see all these 16 and 17 year old white kids raising a fist as they subvert the BLM movement?

They return to the burbs at night asking their parents how the croquet game in the yard went today.

So the whole theme of this thread is nobody can tell white people they are good?

The only way to address white people is to call them disgraceful mouth breathers!

Oh for shame, how dare they have "white" skin, is the message that comes through!

OH they better accept it too, anything else is vile racism, thinking they are superior

Fact is, evidence shows, they can't even think they are "acceptable"

superior has nothing to do with it.

And if white is unacceptable, than anything non white is "superior"

The vile racism of the anti racism message, an anti racism message OverWhelmingly espoused all over society.

They're smarter than you are. They can do math. When only 13% of the population is black, they welcome people of other races to help them accomplish their goals. Numbers matter.

It may be a problem with your genes. I'm not sure.

Never mind Swish, Pit just told me how it feels to be a Black man.

i've said it before, i rather have the allies than not.

yes, some of them are appropriating the movement into something else. but overall, its been far more positive than negative.

i like when people from different backgrounds fight for each other. lets me know there's still hope for this country's future.

Thank you for your answer.

I actually tried explaining to you how math works. I'm not surprised it flew right over your head.

Perhaps the new name for Uncle Ben's Rice will be Uncle Pit's.

I don't know where in society anyone goes and finds that, it's at least 40% anywhere I ever see, and many a much higher percentage.

Trump Just Signed an Executive Order Claiming That Anti-Racism Is the Real Racism

The new order takes aim at anti-racism training, or as the White House calls it, "offensive and anti-American race and sex stereotyping and scapegoating."

An executive order signed Tuesday by President Donald Trump essentially bans the military and federal contractors from conducting diversity training.

The executive order, which Trump said was meant to “to combat offensive and anti-American race and sex stereotyping and scapegoating,” bars contractors from conducting training that “teaches, advocates, or promotes divisive concepts” such as unconscious bias and systemic racism.

Companies who do conduct these trainings risk losing grants and contracts from the federal government. Trump issued a similar memo to federal agencies earlier this month.

“Americans should be taught to take PRIDE in our Great Country, and if you don’t, there’s nothing in it for you!” Trump tweeted Tuesday, announcing the executive order.



The order tells a revisionist history of the United States. For example, the order states that “Our Founding documents rejected these racialized views of America, which were soundly defeated on the blood-stained battlefields of the Civil War.” The Constitution included the Three-Fifths Compromise, which marked the legal worth of enslaved Black people as three-fifths of a white person. This definition stood for decades until it was officially killed off by the Reconstruction Amendments, which outlawed slavery and established, at least in theory, legal rights and protections for formerly enslaved people.

The executive order claims that anti-racism and anti-sexism efforts are, in fact, the real examples of racism and sexism.

"Instructors and materials teaching that men and members of certain races, as well as our most venerable institutions, are inherently sexist and racist are appearing in workplace diversity trainings across the country, even in components of the Federal Government and among Federal contractors," Trump’s order says.

Ironically, by Trump’s own admission, part of the purpose of the executive order is to prevent the feelings of white people, particularly men, from getting hurt. Trump specifically cites trainings that cause anyone to “feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race or sex” as not allowed.

Workplace diversity advocates criticized Trump’s decision earlier this month, when he barred federal agencies from conducting similar trainings.

“We have to see each other as human beings, and we have to do whatever it takes, including taking whatever classes make that possible,” attorney M. E. Hart, who conducts racial sensitivity training for companies, told the Washington Post.

But the order tracks with Trump’s relentless attack on educating people about the history of racism in the United States. Last week, the president announced the “1776 Commission,” another election-year stunt seemingly meant to mine grievance from Trump’s base, to “restore patriotic education to our schools.”

During that announcement, Trump attacked the New York Times’ 1619 Project launched last year, saying it “rewrites American history to teach our children that we were founded on the principle of oppression, not freedom.”

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3z8m...the-real-racism

Yep, no fascism here...

Who was it asking for proof Trump is divisive?

Don't know, don't care... I have all the proof I need. I can hear him run his mouth.

Anyone who listens can hear it. Then his supporters will tell us how we should all unite. The irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.