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You do know that Lerner told him to get BQ, right? Well, if the owner says do it, you do it.
I don't think anyone knows that for sure... I mean it wasn't in the papers (as if that makes it so) and I never heard in on TV (again as if that makes it so).
In fact, That I'm aware of, the only thing that Randy Lerner said publically about the last draft was to Ramona Robinson of Channel 3. She reported that Lerner wanted us to find a way to move up and take JaMarcus Russell..
Haven't heard one word about his telling Savage to take Quinn.. not ONE word!
At the time, it was reported in the plain dealer. Now how much water that holds, I have no idea.
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Do we really think Anderson will garner a 1st or 2nd round pick? If we could get a 3rd I'd jump on it. I just don't see teams lining up for his rights unless he ends the season with 35 TDs and 15 INTs. And that also means he has to lead us to some victories.
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Lets give Chud and the "OL " a little credit here shall we .. The season is not half over and Anderson has what , 13 TD's .. Nothing says he can't hit 30 and maybe even cut the Int's down too .. Chud is going to throw the ball and use Anderson's arm to make plays ..
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Do we really think Anderson will garner a 1st or 2nd round pick?
It's not that anybody thinks he's worth that,, but it is what another team will need to give up if we make him a qualifing offer... Thems the rules!
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Do we really think Anderson will garner a 1st or 2nd round pick?
It's not that anybody thinks he's worth that,, but it is what another team will need to give up if we make him a qualifing offer... Thems the rules!
...Yea,...it's not like the Browns haven't done that before either,...cough,..cough,..Shaffer,..cough.
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At the time, it was reported in the plain dealer. Now how much water that holds, I have no idea.
I don't know which paper you are speaking of.. The PD here was reporting the same thing that Ramona Robinson was reporting and that was that Lerner wanted Russell..
I don't remember seeing ONE article about Lerner telling Savage to get Quinn..
And I'll say this, If I'm the owner and I'm stupid enough to tell my GM to get a particular guy and he picks someone else with the teams 1st pick,, that GM isn't around until the second round!  Just kidding, but do you see how those facts just don't fit together..
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Do we really think Anderson will garner a 1st or 2nd round pick? If we could get a 3rd I'd jump on it. I just don't see teams lining up for his rights unless he ends the season with 35 TDs and 15 INTs. And that also means he has to lead us to some victories.
I know it doesn't work out this way, but at this point, if everything goes as it has...no improvement, no regression, Anderson numbers will fall out
3983 yards
37 TDs
21 picks.
Again, that is as unscientific as it gets....just averaging.
I would say those numbers would attract some attention around the league.
Brett Favre made pro bowl after pro bowl with numbers like that.
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Anderson is great one week and horrible the next.
How can you say DA has been horrible?
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.. DA, he's been stellar overall. ... And in case you are not quite sure how good DA has been:
For the season, Anderson has more touchdown passes than Donovan McNabb and Philip Rivers combined, and just as many as the Jay Cutler/Jeff Garcia/Jason Campbell buffet.
Yeah, let's jump on the BQ rookie ship ASAP. This is not fun winning. I hate watching the Browns be competitive. Bring in the rookie!!!! 
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wk 1 65.2
wk 2 121
wk 3 57
wk 4 109.5
wk 5 59
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If you do not see the inconsistency in DA's play... I am sorry. It is real. And before you anoint DA as the franchise savior, please keep in mind the Browns have yet to win back-to-back games in about 4 years. 
If DA can even out... play more consistently... at the end of the year, he should be rewarded. It is too soon after... 3 good games... to ink him to a long term deal.
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Anderson is great one week and horrible the next.
How can you say DA has been horrible?
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.. DA, he's been stellar overall. ... And in case you are not quite sure how good DA has been:
For the season, Anderson has more touchdown passes than Donovan McNabb and Philip Rivers combined, and just as many as the Jay Cutler/Jeff Garcia/Jason Campbell buffet.
Yeah, let's jump on the BQ rookie ship ASAP. This is not fun winning. I hate watching the Browns be competitive. Bring in the rookie!!!!
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wk 1 65.2
wk 2 121
wk 3 57
wk 4 109.5
wk 5 59
wk 6 142.5
If you do not see the inconsistency in DA's play... I am sorry. It is real. And before you anoint DA as the franchise savior, please keep in mind the Browns have yet to win back-to-back games in about 4 years.
If DA can even out... play more consistently... at the end of the year, he should be rewarded. It is too soon after... 3 good games... to ink him to a long term deal.
You know what matters in the end?
Our record.
No one expected us to be 3-3 at this point. We should be 4-2.
That means, the team is playing well. Our offense is scoring and our QB is leading the way. If he continues to do so, he should be the starter. But, as is evidenced here, logic does not always prevail.
We can look at stats all day and there's only one that counts.
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wk 4 109.5
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wk 6 142.5
You know what matters in the end? ... Our record. ... That means, the team is playing well. Our offense is scoring and our QB is leading the way. If he continues to do so, he should be the starter. But, as is evidenced here, logic does not always prevail.
You are right - the record does matter. What is the TEAMs record when DA has a passer rating below 80? What is the TEAMs record when DA has a passer rating above 80?
Even RAC has mentioned 'good Derek' and 'bad Derek'. DA needs to be more consistent. If DA plays consistently well, the team will consistently win. (more than 1 in a row)
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I don't think anybody is saying consistency isn't important.
I do think people are treating the guy like he is some sage veteran....very few young qbs play consistent football unless it is bad football.
A little time is a important factor here...lets see how it plays out over the season, then we can discuss the matter.
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U guys are all over the place with this..  it's not like DA is this proven commodity.. And other GM's with game film will ACTUALLY WATCH IT and will think differently than the wild comments spewing all over the place Everything hinges on how DA plays from week 8 throughout. After that it all depends on what Phil/Rac feel they want to do with him.. I keep telling some of U TO PLAY THIS GAME by game..but some are very hardheaded..
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lets see how it plays out over the season, then we can discuss the matter.
100% agree. by the end of the season, DA could be a prince or a toad. No reason to make that decision right now.
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See Chicago last year and the way Grossman played. They went to the Superbowl.
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Chicago had an amazing defense that could overcome just about horrible thing Grossman could do. The Browns defense... umm... it is... is not quite there yet. 
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This is too simple of a question! We resign him as the backup QB for Brady Quinn...he has more than earned that spot. The only way he does not resign with us is if another team offers him good money to start for them! Now I'm trying to rack my brain thinking of a team that will pay GOOD money and make him the starter???? I can't think of one, LOL. It's not that he hasn't earned a shot but so many other teams already have legit starters. The best thing we could do is to resign him so we don't face some troubling QB situation due to injury or BQ not performing well, more likely due to injury, LOL. Every team needs a solid backup and he more than knows the system. JMO!
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I do think people are treating the guy like he is some sage veteran....very few young qbs play consistent football unless it is bad football.
A little time is a important factor here...lets see how it plays out over the season, then we can discuss the matter.
Sometimes we have the good peen and sometimes we have the bad peen...
This was from the good peen
Pulling your leg man,, seriously, that's what I was trying to say to someone else on a different thread and you would think I kicked thier dog or something
He's young, inexperienced and has shown a nak for making some nifty plays with his arm and his brain... He's also been inconsistent. Scary inconsistent..
Call me crazy (and most of you wouldn't hesitate) but isn't that the MO for a Rookie QB or one that's starting for the first time in his career?
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Call me crazy (and most of you wouldn't hesitate) but isn't that the MO for a Rookie QB or one that's starting for the first time in his career?
Yeah, D... but that's half the problem on these boards right now.
A % of posters want to see BQ, no matter what! Many of those posters want to use DA's (rookie) inconsistency as the excuse to unwrap their shiny, new Rookie Savior Wunderkind QB. Valid arguements to the contrary don't phase them, because they want what they want- no matter what. ("Shut up and let me wish, willya? Don't you know that BQ wears a cape, can fly and cured cancer?")
Another % of posters conveniently forget that the kid (DA) has fewer than a dozen pro games under his belt, and feel that he should be playing like a 3-year pro who's been starting all along. Valid arguements to the contrary might sway one or two, but most seem to just like to grouse about something. DA's accuracy issues are the easiest target. ("Shut up and let me kvetch, willya? You know I can only be happy when I'm miserable...")
Some still love Charlie. ("Charlie good/DA bad! ... now where are those DA completion stats??? I know I just had them...")
Bottom line: there seem to be more DA detractors than otherwise, because of a multiplicity of disparate reasons. Each group seems to be more interested in getting what they want, than watching this very interesting side-story story unfold... wins and all.
Half of my fun is coming from watching Derek Anderson improve over 5.75 games, and wondering when (and how) Quinn gets his first action. The other half of my fun comes from reading all this stuff.
Either way, it's more fun reading the board this year than it was last year. Truth is, DA gets some of the credit for that.
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LOL... You crack me up Clem Quote:
("Shut up and let me wish, willya? Don't you know that BQ wears a cape, can fly and cured cancer?") or my personal favroite, ("Shut up and let me kvetch, willya? You know I can only be happy when I'm miserable...")
Unfortunatly, I understand and agree... Oh and whatever you do, don't disagree or provide a valid reason... Oh no,, don't do that.. That would upset the balance within peoples minds....LOL
THanks for the laugh man
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I love the way Anderson is playing, that arm of his is winning us games. His accuracy and decision making is improving as well. Could it be...he's actually maturing into a starting caliber NFL QB?
Anderson is only 24 years old with 8 starts under his belt. The result? 19 TD's (+ 2 more on the ground) and 16 INT's (with 8 coming from last season). Thats not bad at all.
If Anderson keeps this pace up, it will be impossible for the coaching staff to bench him, hes putting up the best numbers from a QB since Cleveland's return in '99. Quinn may not be sitting just this year, but next year as well.
As stated, DA is a RFA come seasons end. I say we give him the highest tender (if performance keeps up) to prevent another team from grabbing him.
This leaves us with a few options:
-First and foremost, before we make a decision on DA, I want to see what Brady Quinn has got. It would be a shame if we let a starting caliber QB go only to find out our draft pick was Rick Mirer instead of Joe Montana. Brady will struggle at first, but that doesn't make him a bad QB. Carson Palmer didn't play 1 snap his rookie season. The next year he started every game and threw 18 TD's with 18 INT's. The next year he was a pro bowler.
- Secondly, Anderson still needs to develop more passing options. I've said it before that he never throws to the 3rd WR. This past game all his passes went to the TE's, top 2 WR's, or players coming out of the backfield. He's making throws but he's still locking on (I think its a testament to Braylon that he has the playmaking ability if you give him a chance).
- In a dream world, I would like to say Anderson keeps his performance up, and keeps improving. We tender and sign him. Quinn also proves he is exactly what we were hoping for at QB at some point. Hopefully we could use Anderson as trade bait before he would leave for FA. However, if DA keeps improving and shows he can cut down on the INT's and keep his touchdown rate, then I think he has to stay. Which unfortunately would leave Quinn the odd man out.
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....If we can pull out a first or second rd pick,or multiple picks for DA then we have to take it......We are not in a pos. to have 1st or 2nd rd talent(I know,..it sounds crazy) sitting on the bench when we need SOOO much Defensive help.
I believe Aaron Rogers was a 1st round pick for GB that's been sitting 2 seasons on the sideline. I have a feeling GB is going to bennefit from that when Favre retires. When your starter is having success, you dump him for the rookie just because he is a 1st round pick.
We could be in similar situation, except for the retiring part. On the other hand, we could trade Quinn off for defensive help. I know this sounds crazy but face the facts, DA is proven himself so far that he can lead this team and Quinn's ability in the NFL is all speculatory.
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to be honest, i think it all depend on what he does in the super bowl
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Something interesting, if Anderson continues to play at the level he is playing right now, we have the potential to sign and trade him.
Say we get a first round pick for Anderson, in the big picture, it would mean that Quinn really only cost a second round pick since we would get back a first round pick.
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Without a question in my mind the best option is to wait. There are just too many unknowns like:
1) Will Anderson end as good as he began...get better.... or get worse?
2) How is Quinn progressing in practice?3) What does Anderson want? 4) Who want wants Anderson? and what are they willing to pay? The first are the most important. For the Browns it is time to play the waiting game...
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This is too simple of a question! We resign him as the backup QB for Brady Quinn...he has more than earned that spot.
He's earned the spot to backup an unproven rookie who's never seen an NFL snap? Now there's an accomplishment! 
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to be honest, i think it all depend on what he does in the super bowl
Regardless of the outcome, there will be an outcry to start Quinn because only he can get us to the next level.
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j/c
a guy does bad and one wants to trade him...
a guy does good and one wants to trade him...
seems like he can't win..
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Without a question in my mind the best option is to wait. There are just too many unknowns like:
1) Will Anderson end as good as he began...get better.... or get worse?
2) How is Quinn progressing in practice?
3) What does Anderson want?
4) Who want wants Anderson? and what are they willing to pay?
The first are the most important. For the Browns it is time to play the waiting game...
Great post.
Right now we shouldn't change anything and just play the waiting game.
The picture/outlook could be much different 3-4 weeks from now when we have more information.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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We will not trade DA this season, and nobody would give us jack crap for him if we tried...........maybe a little more than what we got for CF and not much more. However, eo made a good point last week in that if he finishes top 5 in TDs and YDs, and put the RFA tag on him we could end up with a 2nd or 3rd rounder. That is possible ( I don't think he will, but if he does it is possible), but we will not trade DA this week, because (1) nobody will give us jack for a guy that doesn't know their system and can't help them really this year, and (2) we are winning, and aren't going to mess with chemistry
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It's not Anderson's fault BQ isn't getting playing time. He's putting up enough points to be giving Quinn some mop up time in the 4th quarter if only the other side would quit scoring too. That's what we need to be doing with Quinn right now. We're not finishing teams off early enough to make that happen.
I feel that the line of thinking that once Quinn goes in there will be no turning back is not the case any more. He can have the luxury of being a number two as long as "Good Derek" keeps stepping out on the field. The bar has been raised for Quinn, a very good thing for the Browns this year.
I hope we can get Anderson under an extension for decent money. Anything can happen in a football and if we really want to make a run at the big show we need a couple of quarterbacks who can play the game.
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We will not trade DA this season, and nobody would give us jack crap for him if we tried...........maybe a little more than what we got for CF and not much more.
Exactly, everyone is talking about how great DA is and how we should try to get a first for him, but I'd be exstatic just to get a first DAY pick for him. Why would a team trade a first for an inaccurate QB plagued by inconsistency when they can take that pick and draft one with more upside (especially when the other QB was worth a 7th only six games ago)? Remember, Savage said teams showed more interest in FRYE than Anderson before we made the trade. We give him a highish tender to keep teams from stealing him for free but by no means will anyone actually match it what we tender him at.
Maybe if DA duplicates the Miami game all year long, we can start bringing a Day 1 pick into the realm. For now, teams will see him as a QB that gets very hot then very cold, which is exactly how we should view him, except that we've been so quarterback deprived since 1999, most around here will inflate a decent performance into exceptional.
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I heard from a Miami fan on another board that the Anderson-Quinn debate is looking more and more like the Brees-Rivers debacle in San Diego.I don't think it's fair to make such comparisons right now,or ever.It's way too early to make such claims.
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Why would a team trade a first for an inaccurate QB plagued by inconsistency when they can take that pick and draft one with more upside
That comment requires two answers and one question because there are two issues rolled into one comment.
First, a team wouldn't trade for what you describe. I don't think that is a fair description of Anderson, and it is a comment made about a guy with 6 -7 NFL starts. If that comment was made about a young drafted qb in his 6th start, I think people would call you names. 
The second issue deals with a player and upside.
All of that is great, but lots of people with upside have come and gone in this league who never saw that upside play out. Proven commodity trumps upside everyday...especially when the player you talk about has upside himself.
Straight question for the record.
Do you not think Anderson has upside??
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IMO what happens with DA this offseason is the pivotal point of the Savage/Crennel regime.
Let's say we tag DA with the highest compensation tender, and someone still offers him a contract with a poison pill offer.
On one hand, this could be the move that makes this franchise. Having an extra first and third round pick would do SO much toward rebuilding our defense and putting the final pieces in place on offense (more specifically a true #2 wideout and possibly a runningback). It has the potential to make us serious playoff contenders right off the bat based on an aggressive FA period.
On the flipside, if BQ flops and DA continues on his path somewhere else, this could ruin us for years.
DA hasn't been perfect but out of all the third year QB's in the NFL right now, he is by far and away the most impressive, with Jason Campbell in a close second.
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As of right now Anderson IS an inconsistant QB. He's still a big ??? whether you like to admit it or not, and a team will not give us a 1st with the limited info on him. Furthermore, he is worth nil to teams right now becasue he doesn't know their system and would be useless this year to them. IF he continues to play well then we might get a 1st day pick for him, but noway in hell someone gives us a 1st for him when they can draft a simular talent that they can groom themselves. Your dreaming if you think it's even possible to get anything higher than a 2nd.............and personally I think we are dreaming on that front as well.
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As of right now Anderson IS an inconsistant QB. He's still a big ??? whether you like to admit it or not, and a team will not give us a 1st with the limited info on him. Furthermore, he is worth nil to teams right now becasue he doesn't know their system and would be useless this year to them. IF he continues to play well then we might get a 1st day pick for him, but noway in hell someone gives us a 1st for him when they can draft a simular talent that they can groom themselves. Your dreaming if you think it's even possible to get anything higher than a 2nd.............and personally I think we are dreaming on that front as well.
Don't be surprised if DA gets more on the market than you think. Especially if he continues at the rate he's going.
The theme of the NFL this year has been the lack of depth at the QB position. Hell, the Panthers had to defrost 69 year old Vinny Testaverde!
On MNF this past Monday they showed the list of FA QB's...DA probably has the highest market value at this point based on how he's playing.
And if you're an NFL team, why would you wanna take a risk on a 1st round QB who might not pan out at all when you can get a guy who you can see can get it done in the NFL (AT THIS POINT IN TIME)? That doesn't even factor in the 3 year wait period for him to grow into a possible franchise QB.
Think about it, teams have a lot more NFL info on DA than they do any of the college prospects, and there's no guarantee you'll get one unless you're picking first anyway...
I'm not saying it's going to happen, or that DA has been all-world at this point, or that I wanna trade him for that matter, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility for us to get a boatload in a trade for him. Especially in a seller's market for QB's.
And if it works out the way we want it to (BQ emerging plus having a solid FA class and a solid draft class), we WILL be a serious threat for the division next year.
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He's still a big ??? whether you like to admit it or not,
I think I said that in my reply to another poster 3-4 posts up....and said....no...a team wouldn't send tender picks on the guy just yet.....I then went on to say it is trending better...we don't know how it will turn out.
No matter how I worded it....I agree...Anderson still holds many questions...
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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As of right now Anderson IS an inconsistant QB. He's still a big ??? whether you like to admit it or not, and a team will not give us a 1st with the limited info on him.
Probably right,, but just a quick question.. How much did Houston give up to Atlanta for Schuab?
There wasn't that much knowledge of Schaub.. More than DA at this point, but not much more...
Point is, for you or anyone to say nobody will give up X for a player at this point,,, well, you can't possibly know that....
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