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I don't have a very good feel about this game because I haven't watched much of any of Indy's games. Thus, I don't feel as confident about some of the matchups as normal. But, I like these kind of threads and figured I would get the discussion started.

When the Browns have the ball: The Colts D has been very good, especially against the run. They should provide a true test for our magnificent run game. I think they have came up w/some turnovers and even have a pick 6 or two. It should be noted that they haven't played a good offense yet. Gardner Minshew lit them up late in the game and gave Indy their only loss. I do think that we are going to have to contain their DL as Buckner and Houston are playing very well. Baker will need to take care of the ball again. I do think we can exploit Rhodes w/double moves. He is a very aggressive player and really struggled his last two years in Minnesota. He's physical, but is prone to give up the big play. I could see OBJ putting a double move on Rhodes and blowing by him for an easy TD.

When Indy has the ball: I think the Colts have a good OL, but if the Browns can pressure Rivers, he will turn it over. He is not the same qb that he was 3-4 years ago. His game has really digressed. He has thrown a lot of picks in the last couple of years and gets shook when rushed hard. Taylor and Himes might be able to run on us and catch short passes. Watch out for their TEs.

I think the Colts are facing some injury issues. Hooker was lost for the year and key players like Okereke, Constanzo, and Leonard are questionable. Guys like Mack, Pittman, and Campbell are out.

The Colts are favored by 2.5. I don't really get that line. I think the Browns should win this game outright.

Have they totally turned over their Oline since Luck retired? I mean, it was their awful Oline that broke him, but all of a sudden their Oline is a strength? Honest question, as I don't know.

I still say that if you look at the opponents the Colts have played, that force may not be as powerful as it's showing to be on paper right now. The great Gardner Minshew posted 27 points against them. Their other opponents aren't known for a high powered offense.

We are Juggernaut!!! They cannot stop us.

Vegas knows bettors still don't trust the Browns.

I took the Browns on the ML.

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Vegas knows bettors still don't trust the Browns.

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This.

Actually, the line would swing the other way if that were true - to try to get betters to play the Browns.

If that line holds, I’ll probably go Colts w/the under. I think it’s gonna be a hard game to win ... for both teams

Will you at any point have confidence in the Browns, ever?

Browns should win this game going away.

Milk is right about bettors. Last year bettors got burned by the Browns for the last time. This is a party they will happily be late to, not early.

People also keep forgetting that while handicappers are really good, the lines are developed to create equal action on both sides. They don't set the lines at the Colts -2.5 because they think the Colts are the better team. They set the line at -2.5 because they believe an equal number of people will bet the Colts and the Browns at that line. A huge part of his week's line is people are not going to believe in the Browns until they do it over a long haul. And most smart fans know there is a possibility Baker will need to win this and bettors need to see that as well.

I personally think Indy's D is overrated and the Browns could win this pretty handily.

This really doesn’t belong here -sorry, vers - but I’ve been wondering: if we win we’re 4-1. When’s the last time we were 4-1?

I tried to research it (honest!) but couldn’t find the answer.

Late 80s?

You'll find out on Monday when we are the talk of the all the sports talk shows.

Probably not... and I'm only half-joking. :-p

What is the best way/app to bet on the games?

Milk could better answer that.

I use in state casino apps here that are tied to the books here in Nevada. I'm not familiar with out of state betting apps.

1994... We actually started 6-1. We finished 11-5. I was at the Wild Card game when we defeated the Patriots 20-13. We were all so excited because we knew there was no way in hell the Steelers could beat us three times in one year. We were wrong, they beat us the next week in Pittsburgh - by 20 points.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/1994.htm

Messed this up. Thought I read that the Colts were getting 2.5 until I read Rish's post above. My bad, Milk.

Thanks, Fate. I thought of ‘94 but didn’t think we were 6-1 after seven games

The linchpin of the Colts OL is LG Quentin Nelson. The Colts drafted him in 2018 with the #6 overall pick. While other teams were drafting Mayfield, Barkley, Darnold, Ward, B Chubb, the Colts drafted a GUARD. And so far, that was the best pick of that draft, at least the top 10. From this article,

"At left guard, Quenton Nelson is among the best guards in the league and is already making his mark as one of the top overall players in the NFL after two outstanding seasons to start his career. Nelson had the No. 2 run-blocking grade and the No. 7 pass-blocking grade in 2019, as his combination of power, quickness and technique have him on a Hall-of-Fame path despite entering just his third NFL season."

Now that may be hyperbole, but there is little doubt that, to date, Nelson is the heart and soul of one of the best OL in the game. (LT Castonzo was a 1st rd pick in 2011, and C Kelly was a 1st rd pick in 2016.)

Immovable object meet unstoppable object

Who is the Colts RT? Maybe the game will come down to a great play by Garret? Just a thought that popped into my head when I read your post. I had this game pegged as winnable pre-season. Our offense has been better than expected - no kidding huh? Anyone figure we'd pop 49 points up on the board versus Dallas - The D has been even worse than I thought with the exception of popping big, game changing plays.

We're probably going to need Baker to be accurate and turnover free. We'll need low penalty totals. And no misses from Parkey if we struggle to get it into the end zone.

Yeah, just looked him up, Mike Glowinski; drafted by SEA in '15. Started '17 at RT, but lost the job and was waived after the season. Colts picked him up and he got the starting job via injury.

I agree, he looks like a weak link.

I think Baker will have to be counted on more to win this game. I think he's a much bigger factor this week than he has been the last 3.

I am a fan of using pre-snap motion. I think using it helps Baker. I'll tell you why. When you bring a guy in motion, the defender lined-up over that player will do one of a few things. To keep it simple, if the defender follows the motion man across the formation, you know that they are in man. If he does not follow, that tells you they are in some sort of zone at least one side of the field. You can tell other things by how the guy either drops or stays close to the LOS. I brought this up when Throw asked me about one of Baker's picks earlier this year. The guy who picked it did not follow the motion man across the formation, thus making it a rather easy read.

Anyway...………...I think it is a good idea for Stefanski to use a lot of motion. It should help make things a bit easier for Baker.

I'll especially enjoy this game because my son played against Rivers in high school. I wondered why that "lineman" was throwing to receivers in the pre-game, lol

jc

This team has been very disciplined. I hope we continue the trend this weekend. Go Browns!

jc -

Just watched the most recent Building the Browns.

I'm drinking the kool-aid. I think we are witnessing something special being built here.

Bet the Browns big on Sunday.

I’m drinking it as well. Of course I would since I’m a glass half full kind of guy.

Can't drink the whole glass of orange kool-aid? Slacker.

Good Grief golly golly gee!!! You think, I'd chose such a STUPID SCREEN NAME for 25 years, and it stuck,
In those ^3 steeler losses, the closest chance the Browns had to win was the earliest season matchup, and the best momentum came from Throwing deep on their secondary,
With those 3 games in mind, I came up with this screen name to see how this board works, in 1995-98ish,

and later decided It'll keep the point, to not change my screen name.

^^^ Those 3 Steeler losses in 1994, are the reason I use this screen name, as a reminder, they needed a reminder in the playoff loss.

"It's your whole dang reason to etre isn't it."

The colts not only have the top rated defensive line in the nfl but also tge top rated offensive line in the NFL. The bears have a very good pass rush and only managed one sack. So far they have only surrendered 4 sacks. Also, thier secondary is ranked the best in the NFL. This ons is going to be tough, really tough.

Colts-27

Browns-13

A good rule to follow when betting; Don't bet more than $20 on your team in a straight up line bet. Go with the over under if you feel the need..

Ind (20) Vs Jax (27)
Jax Rushed 23 times For 91 yds (3.95) (5 for 19 by Minshew)
14 of those including 3 for 19 by Minshew were in the 1st half.
Jax down by 3 at the half, tied end of 3rd


Min (11) vs Ind (28)
Min rushed 18 times for 80 yds (4.44)
10 for 43 1st half
Min Down by 12 at the half and 15 at end of 3rd qtr

NYJ (7) vs Ind (36)
NYJ rushed 29 times for 109 yds (3.75) (5 for 20 by Darnold)
17 for 69 1st half (3 for 10 by Darnold)
NYJ Down by 10 at the half, 24 end of 3rd

Ind (19) vs Chi (11)
Chi rushed 16 for 28yds (1.75) (2 for -1 by Foles)
11 for 17 1st half (2 for -1 by Foles)
Chi down 10 at the half, 13 end of 3rd, 16 with just under 4 min left

Seems their opponents are going away from the run in the second half, even Jax who was not behind or out of the game).

Aside from Chicago, seems teams have run decently on them, then gave up the run.

Like all good breakdowns... Brett Kollman was ontop of this... this is a solid highlight

j/c...

This might have something to do with KJ not getting reps.

The Jets threw a pick 6 to the colts (Xavier) in the first quarter, and a pick 6 to (TJ Carrie) late in the 4th,

Jets may have given up, either way,

The Recipe hasn't changed, run the ball against the Colts Sunday.

OP, You mean the Browns are Home Dogs in the betting line?

Remember when that used to mean something.

When he was in San Diego I played texas holdem with him. He just wanted to bluff everyone all night with 2 7 offsuit lol.