DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Feds say they thwarted militia plot to kidnap [Mich. Gov] Whitmer

I think I've found the disconnect. It sounds like you think what was going on in the last ~2 pages of this thread passes as discourse. IMO, accusing someone of "programming" their daughter for having what sounds to be a normal political discussion just because he doesn't agree with you... and throwing out just about every other personal insult in the book... because he doesn't agree with you, isn't discourse.

As for the rest of your post... you don't have to explain to me why I shouldn't like Trump. I'm not voting for him for all the reasons you listed, plus plus many of the other things on his record. That's not why I responded originally.

Well, you know, having a discussion with your daughter is a bad thing, right?

If you think that explaining away everything I mentioned by saying " But we didn't vote for a preacher of the u.s." isn't trying to manipulate someone into dismissing all of the things I just posted about Trump having done, and there's many, many more, I have no idea what your definition of manipulation is.

It's a purposeful ploy to get your audience to dismiss the despicable actions of a president throughout his history as a person and his history of his actions over the past four years as our president with little more than some catch phrase.

If that's how you describe propaganda now...

Propaganda now? I discussion, a civil discussion, with one's child, is propaganda?

Using some dismissive cliche to excuse the words and actions of nasty human being while breaking down articles by the press to influence someone into looking closely in one direction while rationalizing the other direction.

You can find your own excuse for using that behavior. If you had been having an even handed discussion you would still be busy breaking down the lies and and false statements Trump has made.

But you chose not to do that. You chose to focus in one direction while excusing the other. And your goal spoke volumes when you ended by saying she still might vote for Biden.

Let's use your definition that it was a "discussion" and not an attempt to change her vote. Even though you admitted that was your goal when you ended by saying she still might vote for Biden.

It was a one sided discussion to try and focus her attention on the lack of trust she should have in the media while minimizing the lack of trust she should have in Trump.

j/c...

You know what I've not seen or heard about? Nobody is threatening Republican Governors! Kinda makes me think that its the Trump/Right Leaning/Wackjobs doing all this.

Law and Order my ass!

"Stand back and stand by."

I like how idiots like these call us ‘scared’ liberal sheep or whatnot... while they stockpile weapons and sleep with a gun under their pillows like scared bed wetters.

They must pretend they are deaf to all the fearmongering dog whistles at Trump rallies.

j/c

Proud Boys Supporter Warns of 'Civil War' if Donald Trump Loses Election

https://www.newsweek.com/proud-boys-trump-civil-war-qanon-1538208

They are Standing by as ordered.

They know they can’t win this legally. Refer to my signature line please. Arm up.

Dang, I had no idea we have/had so many Patriots who think they are so threatened by tyranny they are contemplating taking arms up against fellow citizens if the election doesn't go their way.
Refresh my memory, in Jefferson's time, when did he take arms up against his new nation. Never. And as a Republican, I am for law and order, sure doesn't seem like some want an orderly transition of power from one administration to another. God I hope I'm wrong. I'm pretty positive in my mind Trump will lose, he's fired more people he praised than I can keep up with....and calling Senator McCain a loser, coming from a guy who used bone spurs in his feet to avoid military duty...WOW.
Pray for our President and our country. Peace to ALL.

I agree with you that the rhetoric is getting out of hand....

OTOH - I think that referring to a signer of the "Declaration of Independence" to make your point about "not taking up arms against your nation" -- is probably a bad example.

I'd still like to know why Trump feels he deserves a thank you from Whitmer?

Another suspect charged in alleged plot to kidnap Michigan governor

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/mi...higan-governor/

Now there is an incident involving a Group from Piqua, and an attempt to arrest Ohio Governor Mike DeWine.

A Man attempted to bring charges against Mike Dewine of Tyrany.

The Charges were not accepted by the officials.
Later the man who brought the charges was approached by a group to try to Arrest Mike Dewine, whereupon the man said he did not want involvement and reported the group to the local police.

(Well, I says)
In my lifetime I don't know of any other plots to kidnap a governor, of Any state on charges of, or for the cause of Tyrany.

Yet in one simultaneous term, within one month of each incident we have two cases.

NOW, In my opinion, (much like the 2nd incident of some lady having a problem with Ben Roethlisburger in some nightclub bathroom)...

They didn't charge them with car theft.

What?

I read that, now my head hurts.

Can somebody translate this for me?

There are many on this board who spout nonsense, but only Throw Long has turned it into an art form.

He's like the Jackson Pollock of nonsense -- thousands of asynchronous threads - bold - yet individually uninterpretable.

But which combine to form something

Beautiful.

You see a form of poetry... but no matter how hard I try, my initial visualization of a tweaking meth head rant sticks in my brain. And I don't think that is what Throw is, but his recent numerous incoherent rants planted that scene in my mind.

Channeling my inner THROW...
The Demoncrats shilled their car horns into plenty of pills. Those ripped up governors should be planted in seeds of spheres. Then and only then will the horses be left to crown the chapel. All you voters for that side need to remember that flying so close to the aquarium has traces of windshields. So be careful what you wish for or you’ll end up a communist.

It's pretty straight forward.
The part about " they didn't accuse him of being a car thief". is because the Governors, in this year,
and Roethlisburger in his time,

weren't acting like people hanging around scoping out for an unlocked car!

But, Big Ben, was prolly hanging around some bar with some lady who later accuses him, and

These governors think they are potentates with absolute power of decreed word in their mandates of action perpetrated onto the masses through edict of response to corona virus emergency, (emergency powers sure) but how long of a drawn out time and overreaching span of a whole state does/do this/these emergency powers in response to this virus have jurisdiction or relevance.

Google search, Piqua, Dewine, arrest tyranny, and the story comes up, I'll try and look and post a link.

pretty straightforward.
edit:

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/pi...ine-for-tyranny

Don't go changin' for nobody.

I’d go so far as to say his attempts at clarifying his ramblings only sows more confusion.

Patriotic chair floods have no place in modern catapults. Damn them libs and their tar porches!! Socialism will claim all the box traps!!

j/c:

The group accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer was riddled with FBI informants who took leading roles, according to BuzzFeed

The conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was full with FBI informants, BuzzFeed News reported.

At least 12 confidential FBI informants reportedly assisted the investigation into the extremist group.

Some of the informants, including an Iraq war veteran, reportedly took leading roles in the scheme.

The anti-government extremist group accused of conspiring to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer had been infiltrated by at least a dozen FBI informants - some of whom took leading roles in the scheme, BuzzFeed News reported.

At least 12 confidential FBI informants assisted the investigation into the extremist group accused of conspiring to kidnap the Democratic governor, according to the news outlet's report.

An examination of the case by BuzzFeed revealed that "some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported."

For example, an Iraq war veteran informant "became so deeply enmeshed in a Michigan militant group" that he rose to second-in-command of the group, BuzzFeed reported.

The war vet told members of the group to convene with other potential suspects and even paid for members' transportation to meetings, according to the news outlet.

Another man who advised the militia group on where to place explosives and offered to get as many as needed was also an informant, BuzzFeed reported.

In total, 14 men were charged last year in the alleged domestic terrorism plot to kidnap Whitmer. The defendants have all pleaded not guilty to the charges.

https://news.yahoo.com/group-accused-plotting-kidnap-michigan-144724252.html

Reporter: FBI involvement in Whitmer plot similar to sting operations targeting Islamic extremists

Trevor Aaronson, a reporter for The Intercept, says the FBI’s involvement in an alleged plot to kidnap and kill Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) was “very similar” to sting operations targeting Islamic extremists.

Aaronson joined Hill.TV’s “Rising” to discuss Buzzfeed News’s reporting on the plot, which revealed that FBI informants were involved in every aspect of the alleged plot from the beginning.

Aaronson said the plot would “most likely not” have unfolded the way it did given “the large number of informants involved and their place within the conspiracy.”

He drew comparisons to previous sting operations targeting Islamic extremists.

“To me, this strikes me as very similar to the type of sting operation we’ve seen targeting Islamic extremists where the people involved either don’t have the capacity on their own, and/or don’t even have the idea on their own. And it's the FBI undercover agent or informant who is either providing the idea and/or all of the means necessary to commit this crime,” Aaronson said.

Aaron further said it would be interesting to see if a jury would be more open to the argument of entrapment given the circumstances.

“I think what will be interesting in this case is whether a jury will be more open to arguments of entrapments given that this is a group of white defendants compared to the largely Muslim and Black defendants we’ve seen in terrorism stings. And whether they’ll be any difference because of the ideology,” he said.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/564412...ting-operations

I don't know nor do I care who did what.. Kidnapping a sitting state governor should be something we all find wrong.

What kinda idiot does that.

That's kinda the argument here... The informants were the ones that provided the idea and the means.

I agree.

This issue is that certain media outlets are implying that informants means the actual FBI.

This seems like a classic case of people trying to do whatever they think the feds wanted to make sure they got a lighter sentence. Or jumped on an actual plot and encouraged it.

That distinction should also be highlighted. There was definitely a plot to kidnap her. How far it was being taken, and by whom is the issue.

To be honest, there's a fair amount that I don't understand regarding this specific situation (and neither does that pasted article, it's pretty light on details). But the worriesome statement is the following:

Aaronson said the plot would “most likely not” have unfolded the way it did given “the large number of informants involved and their place within the conspiracy.”

Still opinion from someone on the outside, but concerning.

That’s confusing for sure. I instantly translated that as a bunch of dudes who got caught and now we’re trying to throw each other under the bus.

What I HOPE wasn’t the case was the feds encouraging/manufacturing a plot just to bust down dudes who were running their mouths on the internet.

They monitor chatter, we know that. Once you are seen as a undesirable group, you can bet you are being watched and bugged.

The problem is who decides what is undesirable? At one time MLK was one of those people and his being black was only a part of it. There are other examples...the Chicago 7 as another example.

The FBI is good at what they do, but they don't always do good things.

In fairness, sometimes you need to look up every tree and down every hole.

I don't think anyone considers a plot to kidnap a governor as desirable.

j/c

Yeah, the devil is in the details here and it's not hard to see. An informant is a known criminal who gives information to authorities. It's not an employee or agent for any law enforcement agency. They're given nicknames like snitches, CI's and other monikers and certainly aren't considered as upstanding citizens or employees by law enforcement. To try and indicate otherwise is certainly a major twist on the facts.