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Well we all know a big play when we see it, and a TD, a catch. He is coming along as we get this run thing established. part of his game is blocks. I was happy for him myself. Wins feel good.

Thank God Dorsey made the trade. Thank God Berry didn't listen to the idiots and said "we are not trading OBJ." Dude is a difference maker and thank God we have him.

https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1312849246903705600

Beats by Beckham.

Nice...

Everyone knows that Beats headphones are overpriced yet substandard pieces of audio equipment. OBJ robbing his teammates of fully enjoying their music. tRaDe HiM nOw!!!!111!

Would have been nice if he sprung for the Bose.

Pretty cheap.

I don't know of an "Odell is a bad teammate" crowd. However, I have seen - and am a part of - an "Odell needs to be held accountable" crowd.

Much of the bashing he has taken - on this board anyway - he earned by being disinterested, dropping passes, displaying terrible body language, not knowing where to line up, missing a 3rd & goal play because of a visor, etc. In the Ravens game, he picked up where he left off in a disappointing 2018 season. He deserved the bashing he received.

That ^ OBJ was missing in these last three games...thankfully.

No one on this board has any idea if he WAS a bad teammate or changed as a teammate after week #1 or after he bought the presents. If he were a bad teammate, no one would state so publicly.

OBJ's play has been excellent since the Opener...but his time here through that Opener was not good...not at all...and he brought that well-desreved bashing on himself.

OBJ will have no problems endearing himself to Browns fans if he's the game #2 thru game #4 Odell.

Bose makes air travel tolerable.

I'll be serious for a sec. I was sorta in the trade OBJ crowd, but not because 'we gotta cut out the cancer'. This offense has a LOT of mouths to feed, and a QB that I'm not 100% confident can do it. I was assuming that OBJ was going to be the odd man out in a run-heavy offense, but interestingly it's actually been our shiny new (and very expensive) FA TE that hasn't gotten a ton of targets. I didn't think that would happen.

As for OBJ's attitude... he's a diva. A diva that, by all accounts coming out of his locker rooms, is a good teammate. I my head, I gave just about everyone on this team a fresh start/clean-slate coming out of the Freddie era. I wasn't sure what to make of the attitude during the opener, but it sounds like Stefanski kinda knows what he's doing. I've seen articles where he's specifically talked about molding the gameplan to get OBJ involved early in games. I read that kinda along the lines of the "force-feeding OBJ" conversations here, but this time it seems to be working.

I own a pair of Grado headphones that’ll smoke Bose. It ain’t even close. OBJ needs to step up beyond the Beats hype for sure.
https://gradolabs.com/headphones

100%.

I wasn't happy about the last year's early season watch and other game day dress violations .... but in the grand scheme of things I think he has not been a distraction as a Brown. Game day - injury aside - not knowing where to line up was pee poor. But this year he has been 100% from my perspective.

I don't know if there is/was a trade Odell crowd - I did see comments about how he was an elite WR being held back by a crappy QB and we should trade him for Odell's own good.

j/c...

Gotta love Jimmy D

I suggest you re-read this thread. For example, mac said he was a cancer before he ever came to the Browns. I posted an article about how his teammates felt about him and that was met w/something like "what were they supposed to say?" One dude kept calling him Braylon. Some said he was disinterested and pouting. That he wasn't trying. It's all in this thread alone, not to mention other threads.

Look, I'm okay w/you guys not liking him and getting on his case, but let's not rewrite history.

It just hit me where I've seen that Odell pose before, lol.

It wouldn't be cool to continue an argument that nobody was having, in order to say that nobody should be arguing it,
and thus inviting responses so noone can let an issue drop,

Just in the futile hope that holding the wrong side of an argument would, in enough time, look less like being the wrong side.

But nobody would do that on this board, and

It also wouldn't be cool to spread discord between a starting quarterback and the #1 wide receiver by forcing an argument where the two must be opposite sides of a coin that must be chosen, so disparaging comments can Cut Down the other one on an ongoing basis,

But nobody on this board would do that either.

Again, it wouldn't be cool to fabricate some unexpressed opinion or belief being held about the performance of some former general manager, and then mount a campaign against that belief, in order to deflect negative opinions about an historicaly underperforming head coach, and gang up with a couple others to propagate that campaign, to a result of spreading discord amongst the board by presenting a situation where the HC, and former GM must be two opposite sides of a coin to be chosen, so disparaging comments can discount opposing views or opinions, in perpetuity;
But I'm pretty sure somehow that DiD happen on this board,

Yet, even though, letting things go, and like the first line,
Not, Continuing an argument that nobody was having, in order to say nobody should hold that side or view, thus inviting responses which create an argument where one didn't already exist...

Apparently for the sake of needing to be right! On an issue that doesn't exist,

well now that I look at it, sounds a little bit like going out of ones way to just say that, or single out folks that weren't doing anything, in order to say that they are wrong!

But that kind of thing wouldn't happen here, because that would be argumentative, or bullying like.

Forget it. I give up. Some things aren't fun to read.

I'm aware of the content of the thread and I'm the guy who started calling him Braylon...because during his time here through the Ravens game he was the second-coming of Braylon. Ineffective, ball-dropping, distracting, unavailable, unaware, pouting, etc.

Thankfully he's turned that switch since the Ravens debacle. My concern is how he will behave when the going gets tough again...CIN, WAS DAL are no where near the caliber of BAL...but he's earned the benefit of the doubt since the end of week #1.

As far as his standing as a teammate, I pay very little attention to any posters' comments about any player as a teammate. No fan really has any idea. (Look at Earl Thomas now vs then.)

I pay a little more attention when a teammate comments about another teammate...but I take that with a grain of salt...same with coaches. The reason is that we'll never really know the whole story. These guys are pros...they don't have to like each other to get the job(s) done.

So rather than listen to people close to the situation you base your opinion off of. . . nothing?

Also, we found out about all the Earl Thomas stuff after he was cut (and a day or two before he was cut). Usually dirty laundry will be aired after a player leaves a team. OBJ’s former Giant teammates had nothing but kind words.

He played all of last season with a very painful injury. That's not a selfish player. That's a team player. You don't like his antics? So be it.

What we are seeing is the difference between an injured OBJ last season and a healthy OBJ this season. Maybe it's time you went beyond your personal agenda and deal with the facts.

I was very clear that I wasn't listening to anyone about OBJ the teammate...regarding his actual play on the field, I used my eyes to see how he played and behaved in 2019 and then again in game 1 of 2020.



I agree with your comments on Earl Thomas and I used him as an example in general...not necessarily towards OBJ...and primarily because OBJ is still here. To your point, OBJ hasn't left Cleveland yet...if he is being a bad teammate (I'm not saying he is) we sure as hell aren't going to hear about it while he's a Brown.

What he was as a Giant has no bearing - good or bad - on my opinion of him as a Brown. He's been terrific game #2 through #4. I hope he continues that.

I never said he was a selfish player...and if he WAS selfish and did his job, I wouldn't care. Once again you are creating an argument that only exists in your mind.

I don't care about his antics or fines etc. BUT...when he has to leave the field on 3rd and goal because of his visor...I'm going to let him have it.

Maybe it's time you get the point that OBJ looked just as bad in game #1 THIS year as he did all of last year - injury or not. That's not an agenda, that's what he was doing.

I've given him credit for his play since game #1.

I see. The fact he didn't light it up the first week of the season means something to you. And you still refuse to address that him being hurt all of last season as a legitimate reason for his lack of production. Got it.

No you don't "Got it"...you rarely do.

You brought up two new arguments there that exist only in your mind.

OBJ playing injured last season isn't an argument, it's a fact. Since we're speaking of getting it wrong.

If you aren't ignoring it, then he has played well in 75% of the games he has been healthy. Which blows your entire narrative out of the water.

I agree...it's another reason why I keep telling you that you are arguing with yourself...again.

His visor wasn't injured...his inability to line up properly wasn't because he was injured...his hands weren't injured...his body language wasn't miserable due to an injury.

He's been a different guy since the start of game #2.

I am not getting on you at all and I don't like all the attack style posts from others. I will just say that OBJ's lack of practice time might have had something to do w/how comfortable he was in regards to "lining up." Also, I think that entire thing was overblown. I see QBs directing WRs. TEs, RBs all the time. It's not all that unusual. Again, I am not calling you out or trying to argue. Just trying to give people something else to consider.

He's the guy he used to since game two. Now that he's healed.

I don't get all the Odell hate, the guy is electric, likes to have fun playing football, has an immense desire to win and is LOVED by his teammates wherever he goes. I haven't heard any teammate or coach say anything negative about him. All I've heard are positive stories how he helps everyone out on the team from the best to guys that won't even make it on a roster during camp. QB has always held him back from being what he can and thats no different here. We have alot of issues but I don't think Odell is even remotely close to being one of them. He and landry together are perfect and it just so happens they are brothers from another mother. So you don't have two alphas complaining about not getting the ball.

j/c

Have you ever noticed the huge double standard often used on this board?

Many blame Kitchens for Baker's poor performance last year and I'm in agreement with them to some extent.

Then when it comes to OBJ, everything falls on his shoulders and you never hear Kitchen's name mentioned.

Weird.

Tom Withers
@twithersAP
Landry said he's not seen
@obj
this content, healthy and focused since they were at LSU.

Great news.

Is Odell, more dangerous as a deep threat,
Or more dangerous as a mid level take it and go threat?

I would say both.

Odell is dangerous at every level.

If I had to pick one, I'd say "take it and go".

I think any Wr, is better as part of a group, of other capable top notch Wr's than they are on their own.

Case.
I think Micheal Irvin, was better, the years Alvin Harper played across from him.

I'm bothered, that I think Odell has fewer top notch capable Wr's around him, than the team had in 2018, even if he wasn't a Brown yet,
if those other options were still around and seeing the field, Callaway, Perriman, Higgins, the group would be more prolific than the single option.

They need to make up the difference,
with the tight ends, in 2020.

I mean, Hodge is not going to do it? Is he?

Maybe, I've been wrong before, let's see Hodge go take over a game on offense?

And I'm not forgetting Landry, Landry is the Landry he is. That's two.
That's not a group, a group is not a duo.

Odell Becham had 3 touchdowns combined and 150+ combined yards vs the Cowboys, (maybe the colts,);

his best touchdown day including all of last year;
So, is the Beckham trade finally paying off.

Sure. When he decides to get after it, he can succeed and be a rock star. We have seen him marginal this year as well. He needs to decide which will show up, I guess. Stefanski's game plan has helped last few weeks after that stinker of an opener. OBJ is not a one-man show. That helps him too.

Odell is a lot like numerous posters on this board.

When winning, he is fine...

When losing, he is a vocal malcontent. As long as the Browns are winning, he will be a happy camper.

It is neither good nor bad, it is his personality.