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So, to play Devil's Advocate... Mary Kay's original tweet, the latest, and Njoku's can all be truthful. Her tweet did not claim that Njoku told her that. Njoku would be correct that he did not say that to her, and she can correctly affirm that this was not said to her by him.

That said... Mary Kay's reporting is garbage. She is Tony Grossi who is Roger Brown. They are muckrakers and trash peddlers. Period. The only real question is whether this is learned traits of the business, or if the PD directs them to conduct their column in this manner.

Either way, nothing written by any of them should EVER be construed as gospel. They've proven this over and over and over.

What did MKC say about Cam Heyward? He sounds upset, as if his character was questioned.

Good points all the way around. She said something like according to an NFL source when talking about Njoku. She did not say Njoku said that. On the other hand, the rest of your post is also true.

A lot of NFL guys aren't good speakers. I get what he meant by "...good punishment..." He used the word "good" to mean legal. He wasn't talking about being dirty.

It's a man's game. When I was in college, I was coming off of a concussion and an ankle. At the bottom of the pile, I had dudes thumping my head and twisting my foot on every single pile up where there were multiple players. I didn't even complain because it was what it was. In fact, it just provided extra motivation to kick their asses.

J/c

I agree w/Vers and Rish and others: the skill guys have to be frustrated. Baker’s basically the worst QB in the NFL (despite being given a King’s ransom of talent).

The OL did not play well at all against Pitt, but Baker never raises the level of those around him. It would get tiring honestly.

I think Njoku's response tweet was very carefully worded.

That said, I'm never one to stand in the way of some good MKC bashing. I find it hilarious that she comes back with "I can confirm this 100%"... and then doesn't.

Her "confirm 100%" statement is merely saying that HE did not say that to her. He saying as much IS the confirmation. Her original tweet was her saying that "a league source" told her. Again, all can be true.

I don't know if I believe Njoku is savvy enough to have that a tweet be carefully worded in that manner.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Trading away your #3 TE isn't a big deal.

Joke can't even be considered a good decoy anymore.

Do it, Mr. Berry.

At $15-17M per year each, I would say Beckham and Landry have gotten their cash. Would it be too much to ask for Odell to keep his damn cleats on until the game is over? Or how about not throwing tantrums on the sideline when things go south, as if you are playing your ass off and its everyone else that sucks?

I’m not a huge fan of the cleat removal either. At the end of the day it’s pretty irrelevant, but it’s so petty haha.

I get it .. Baker sucks and we don’t get you the ball like we should (what was it, 2 catches for like 20 yards? That’s unacceptable). But doing that stuff just draws bad attention to yourself too

There were 8 minutes left in the game. Its not "petty" when you are, in effect, telling your teammates that you're done for the day even if they get the ball back and have to take the field again.

We talk about "culture" here all the time, and here we have a guy that younger players look to for leadership - he's a Top 5 WR in the league - and he basically said "I'm here, but I'm not one of you.".

Don’t you think the coach told him he was done for the day? A bunch of our starters got pulled.

I don't disagree with you, but on the list of issues to worry about, it's pretty low, IMO.

I hope it gets addressed, but I hope KS doesn't make a big deal out of it. It's a thin line he has to walk. The culture shouldn't condone such behavior, but at the same time Odell is going to 'Odell', and you know as long as he comes back the next day and brings it (he will), it's a bump in a bumpy road.

If OBJ took his cleats off because we were winning in a blowout what would the reaction be?

That's a strong possibility. But then it wouldn't give fans a reason to trash OBJ. So....

A completely different thread talking about a completely different topic.

You mean not the Njoku trade thread?

Touche

If Stefanski had told him he was done for the day then he missed the opportunity to set this all straight when asked about Odell's removing his cleats at his presser yesterday. What he did say was that OBJ was "understandably frustrated" by the loss. What he did not say was "I had told Odell he was done for the day.". Leaving us to assume Beckham took himself out of the game, IMO.

I hope Odell didn't take himself out of the game.

I also don't care if he did or that he took off his cleats.

Our QB is currently emasculated and not very good. The whole team knows it. Odell's actions aren't affecting morale. The team probably empathizes with him.

Emasculated is a good word. I think Baker lost his alpha mojo and confidence when we acquired OBJ. He thrives in that position of dominance and now he’s subservient.

Granted, he’s NOT been good ... but I actually do think a lot of it is mental

I'm worried about team chemistry moving forward.

I have a solution for all this.

Develop some mental toughness and play better.

A player quitting on the team 6 games in, with a 4-2 record is a problem. Even more so, if other, younger players who may look up to him agree with him. I don't care if your QB is Richard Simmons, guys like Beckham need to provide leadership especially in tough times.

It’s only Tuesday after a loss and we already have OBJ quitting on the team. I think that’s a record. Usually it’s Thursday at the earliest when we get to this point.

I don't believe this for even a second. But if it's true, that would mean that Baker is mentally very fragile.

Damn Dorsey for drafting a mentally fragile QB!

Like very NFL GM, you can damn him for some things and praise him for others.

What would you call a healthy player removing himself from a game with 8 minutes left in that game? "Understandably frustrated" (Stefanski's phrase) doesn't cut it. How about the other 21 starters on the team? You think they wanted to be out there in a 38-7 curb stomping? Maybe that [stuff] plays in the NBA, but its divisive as hell in a football locker room, IMO.

Myself, I'd have the same reaction: bush league. You are part of a TEAM, a pro team.

And a question: If Baker took his cleats off, what would your reaction be, or the boards reaction - be it in a win or a loss situation?

I can just imagine.

Seems to me there is ALWAYS ( week in and week out ) a lot of chatter ( good or bad ) about the same player !.. I wonder how that plays in a locker room .

Literally the same.

The only chatter is here on this board. No one cares.

What if he took his cleats off and put slippers on instead?

Ok .. So you got that memo from the front office ,,lol . I truly understand how the Board has a propensity to over react , but the players are not deaf and are human.. Just curious..

The NFL would fine him under improper uniform guidelines.