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New research explores authoritarian mind-set of Trump’s core supportersData reveal high levels of anti-democratic beliefs among many of the president’s backers, who stand to be a potent voting bloc for years to comeThe Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been a catastrophic failure, with researchers at Oxford University estimating that its mismanagement of the crisis resulted in nearly 60,000 preventable deaths. And yet, despite the tumult of the past eight months, President Trump’s favorability numbers have barely budged: His approval rating hovers in the low 40s, just as it has most of his presidency. As the economy cratered and covid-19 mortality skyrocketed, the Trump faithful stuck with him, lending credence to his infamous 2016 campaign boast that he “could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody” and not lose any support. Why is that? A new book by a psychology professor and a former lawyer in the Nixon White House argues that Trump has tapped into a current of authoritarianism in the American electorate, one that’s bubbled just below the surface for years. In “Authoritarian Nightmare,” Bob Altemeyer and John W. Dean marshal data from a previously unpublished nationwide survey showing a striking desire for strong authoritarian leadership among Republican voters. They also find shockingly high levels of anti-democratic beliefs and prejudicial attitudes among Trump backers, especially those who support the president strongly. And regardless of what happens in 2020, the authors say, Trump supporters will be a potent pro-authoritarian voting bloc in the years to come. Altemeyer and Dean define authoritarianism as what happens “when followers submit too much to the authorities in their lives.” They measure it using a tool Altemeyer developed in the early 1980s, called the right-wing authoritarian (RWA) scale. The “right-wing” label refers not to left and right political leanings as they’re popularly understood today, they write, but rather to a more legalistic sense of “lawful, proper, and correct.” It’s used to identify authoritarian tendencies among people of any political persuasion — supporters of the Communist Party in the former Soviet Union, for instance, would have scored high on the scale despite having decidedly leftist economic and political views. The scale remains one of the most widely used measures of authoritarianism to this day. Altemeyer’s scale measures respondents’ agreement or disagreement with 20 statements, such as: “Our country desperately needs a mighty leader who will do what has to be done to destroy the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us” and “It is always better to trust the judgment of the proper authorities in government and religion than to listen to the noisy rabble-rousers in our society who are trying to create doubt in people’s minds.” For each statement, a respondent can select an answer on a sliding scale ranging from 1 (total disagreement) to 9 (total agreement). The final score on the 20-question survey ranges from 20 (total opposition to authoritarianism) to 180 (total support). The authors enlisted the help of the Monmouth University Polling Institute to pose these questions to 990 American voters in fall 2019. They asked participants to answer the questions on the RWA scale, as well as some separate measures of authoritarian beliefs and prejudice toward minority groups. They found a striking linear relationship between support for Trump and an authoritarian mind-set: The stronger a person supported Trump, the higher he or she scored on the RWA scale. People saying they strongly disapproved of Trump, for instance, had an average RWA score of 54. Those indicating complete support of the president, on the other hand, had an average score of 119, more than twice as authoritarian as Trump opponents. Many fervent Trump supporters, Altemeyer and Dean write, “are submissive, fearful, and longing for a mighty leader who will protect them from life’s threats. They divide the world into friend and foe, with the latter greatly outnumbering the former.”Trump’s personal authoritarian bona fides are well-established, with experts across numerous academic fields warning that his attacks on basic democratic principles present a clear danger to the American political system. But his beliefs and actions are toothless without the support of millions of followers. “Donald Trump only has the power to flaunt American institutions, treaties, and laws because he has a large, dedicated base who will believe whatever he says and do whatever he wants,” Altemeyer and Dean explain. Other researchers have reached similar conclusions using very different methods. Vanderbilt political scientist Larry Bartels, for instance, recently used YouGov survey data to find that many Republican voters hold strong authoritarian and anti-democratic beliefs, with racism being a key driver of those attitudes. Researchers have also consistently found that separate measures of authoritarian belief, such as a short survey of attitudes toward child-rearing, are reliable predictors of Trump support. Not all of the president’s supporters fall into the “authoritarian” category, however. Monmouth’s polling director Patrick Murray, who administered the survey, recently wrote that about 23 percent of strong Trump supporters scored in the middle or bottom of the authoritarian scales used in the survey. Moderate Trump supporters, meanwhile, are split roughly 50/50 between “high” and “moderate to low” on the scales. Many, however, express extremely authoritarian viewpoints. Roughly half of Trump supporters, for instance, agreed with the statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within,” which Altemeyer and Dean characterize as “practically a Nazi cheer.”Among people who disapproved of Trump, just 12 percent agreed with that statement. “Trump’s supporters are much more inclined to stomp out the people they dislike than Trump’s opponents are,” Altemeyer said in an email. “This reflects the authoritarian aggression that is a central part of the RWA personality.”One common criticism of the RWA scale is that it could simply be a proxy for generic conservative or religious beliefs, such as respect for tradition or a deference to religious authority. Murray tested this idea by running the scale without questions touching on religious identity and sexual norms. He found the different versions of the scale produced findings that were nearly identical to the original 20-question battery, suggesting the scale is measuring a distinct psychological attribute that can’t be explained away by religiosity or political ideology. Contemporary discussions on authoritarian backsliding in the United States tend to focus on Trump and his allies in Congress. But Altemeyer and Dean’s work is a reminder that his followers will remain a potent force in American politics for years to come. “Even if Donald Trump disappeared tomorrow,” they write, “the millions of people who made him president would be ready to make someone else similar president instead.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/No Nazis Welcome. 
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The Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been a catastrophic failure, with researchers at Oxford University estimating that its mismanagement of the crisis resulted in nearly 60,000 preventable deaths. Oxford University - Another part of the deep state. Oh - and the 60,000 deaths as a reult of Trump's mismanagement is probably way undercounted based on the article I posted the other day which was a result of research by the Journal of the American Medical Association. (Another part of the Deep State). https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...-study-n1242970
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I was waiting for someone to take a stab at that number. Thank you for posting.
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Honestly I have not read the article. I have not looked to see how they determine such a thing. Maybe it is possible? But everything and anything will be subjective and easily attacked by the Trump faithful .... All I know is Trump totally botched how the USA responded to this pandemic. At the start, at the middle and now. The result has to be that more people contract the virus - which means more people died when they didn't need to. Whether that number is 1 or 60,000 or somewhere in between I don't know. I do know that 1 extra death is tragic and is too many.
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The answer is quite simple.
We have lost our ability to think.
So, if you like the information that is put in front of you, then you spread it.
If you do not like the information that is put in front of you, you call it fake news or question the source.
Such is life in the world of Trump.
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New research explores authoritarian mind-set of Trump’s core supportersData reveal high levels of anti-democratic beliefs among many of the president’s backers, who stand to be a potent voting bloc for years to comeThe Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic has been a catastrophic failure, with researchers at Oxford University estimating that its mismanagement of the crisis resulted in nearly 60,000 preventable deaths. And yet, despite the tumult of the past eight months, President Trump’s favorability numbers have barely budged: His approval rating hovers in the low 40s, just as it has most of his presidency. As the economy cratered and covid-19 mortality skyrocketed, the Trump faithful stuck with him, lending credence to his infamous 2016 campaign boast that he “could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody” and not lose any support. Why is that? A new book by a psychology professor and a former lawyer in the Nixon White House argues that Trump has tapped into a current of authoritarianism in the American electorate, one that’s bubbled just below the surface for years. In “Authoritarian Nightmare,” Bob Altemeyer and John W. Dean marshal data from a previously unpublished nationwide survey showing a striking desire for strong authoritarian leadership among Republican voters. They also find shockingly high levels of anti-democratic beliefs and prejudicial attitudes among Trump backers, especially those who support the president strongly. And regardless of what happens in 2020, the authors say, Trump supporters will be a potent pro-authoritarian voting bloc in the years to come. Altemeyer and Dean define authoritarianism as what happens “when followers submit too much to the authorities in their lives.” They measure it using a tool Altemeyer developed in the early 1980s, called the right-wing authoritarian (RWA) scale. The “right-wing” label refers not to left and right political leanings as they’re popularly understood today, they write, but rather to a more legalistic sense of “lawful, proper, and correct.” It’s used to identify authoritarian tendencies among people of any political persuasion — supporters of the Communist Party in the former Soviet Union, for instance, would have scored high on the scale despite having decidedly leftist economic and political views. The scale remains one of the most widely used measures of authoritarianism to this day. Altemeyer’s scale measures respondents’ agreement or disagreement with 20 statements, such as: “Our country desperately needs a mighty leader who will do what has to be done to destroy the radical new ways and sinfulness that are ruining us” and “It is always better to trust the judgment of the proper authorities in government and religion than to listen to the noisy rabble-rousers in our society who are trying to create doubt in people’s minds.” For each statement, a respondent can select an answer on a sliding scale ranging from 1 (total disagreement) to 9 (total agreement). The final score on the 20-question survey ranges from 20 (total opposition to authoritarianism) to 180 (total support). The authors enlisted the help of the Monmouth University Polling Institute to pose these questions to 990 American voters in fall 2019. They asked participants to answer the questions on the RWA scale, as well as some separate measures of authoritarian beliefs and prejudice toward minority groups. They found a striking linear relationship between support for Trump and an authoritarian mind-set: The stronger a person supported Trump, the higher he or she scored on the RWA scale. People saying they strongly disapproved of Trump, for instance, had an average RWA score of 54. Those indicating complete support of the president, on the other hand, had an average score of 119, more than twice as authoritarian as Trump opponents. Many fervent Trump supporters, Altemeyer and Dean write, “are submissive, fearful, and longing for a mighty leader who will protect them from life’s threats. They divide the world into friend and foe, with the latter greatly outnumbering the former.”Trump’s personal authoritarian bona fides are well-established, with experts across numerous academic fields warning that his attacks on basic democratic principles present a clear danger to the American political system. But his beliefs and actions are toothless without the support of millions of followers. “Donald Trump only has the power to flaunt American institutions, treaties, and laws because he has a large, dedicated base who will believe whatever he says and do whatever he wants,” Altemeyer and Dean explain. Other researchers have reached similar conclusions using very different methods. Vanderbilt political scientist Larry Bartels, for instance, recently used YouGov survey data to find that many Republican voters hold strong authoritarian and anti-democratic beliefs, with racism being a key driver of those attitudes. Researchers have also consistently found that separate measures of authoritarian belief, such as a short survey of attitudes toward child-rearing, are reliable predictors of Trump support. Not all of the president’s supporters fall into the “authoritarian” category, however. Monmouth’s polling director Patrick Murray, who administered the survey, recently wrote that about 23 percent of strong Trump supporters scored in the middle or bottom of the authoritarian scales used in the survey. Moderate Trump supporters, meanwhile, are split roughly 50/50 between “high” and “moderate to low” on the scales. Many, however, express extremely authoritarian viewpoints. Roughly half of Trump supporters, for instance, agreed with the statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within,” which Altemeyer and Dean characterize as “practically a Nazi cheer.”Among people who disapproved of Trump, just 12 percent agreed with that statement. “Trump’s supporters are much more inclined to stomp out the people they dislike than Trump’s opponents are,” Altemeyer said in an email. “This reflects the authoritarian aggression that is a central part of the RWA personality.”One common criticism of the RWA scale is that it could simply be a proxy for generic conservative or religious beliefs, such as respect for tradition or a deference to religious authority. Murray tested this idea by running the scale without questions touching on religious identity and sexual norms. He found the different versions of the scale produced findings that were nearly identical to the original 20-question battery, suggesting the scale is measuring a distinct psychological attribute that can’t be explained away by religiosity or political ideology. Contemporary discussions on authoritarian backsliding in the United States tend to focus on Trump and his allies in Congress. But Altemeyer and Dean’s work is a reminder that his followers will remain a potent force in American politics for years to come. “Even if Donald Trump disappeared tomorrow,” they write, “the millions of people who made him president would be ready to make someone else similar president instead.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/12/trump-voter-authoritarian-research/No Nazis Welcome. I think your post wins the MOST RIDICULOUS post of the year. Conservatives are submissive, racist and looking for someone to lead them. Yeah right. I took a ride in the country and saw many Trump signs In fact Biden signs came in 4th behind Trump, Firewood for sale and Handmade Quilts. It seems to me that country people are able to take care of themselves while city people need the Govt to take care of them. Every morning I get up and ThankGod I'm not a limp wristed Liberal.
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Some people feel some need to show signs of public display. Some people put their money where their mouth is. Biden supporters are giving money. Trump supporters use signs. Somehow, with Trump in office they seem to believe that yelling the loudest means something. It doesn't.
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So you're saying the election should be won by who gets the most money?
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Your lack of comprehension never ceases to amaze me.
I'm saying that people donating money is a stronger indication of support than yard signs. Good Lord.
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Your lack of comprehension never ceases to amaze me.
I'm saying that people donating money is a stronger indication of support than yard signs. Good Lord. Uh, then there's this: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/Hillary raised a lot more money than Trump. Guess who the President is? But, I suppose it's kind of like the 'polls', right? I comprehend things you can't even see. I also don't believe any maistream media because there is a def. bias...which, again, you don't see. That's fine.
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Yeah, and Hillary got almost three million more votes. So maybe the money did mean something. Votes don't mean anything but it seems as though the money did.
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Yeah, and Hillary got almost three million more votes. So maybe the money did mean something. Votes don't mean anything but it seems as though the money did. What? So, she got more pop. votes..........so it seems you're saying money IS an issue? So, you endorse whoever has the most money should win? Pop. vote has NEVER mattered in the u.s. when it comes to president. Ever. Electoral college matters. You seem to feel that since biden has gotten more money, that he'll waste on junk ads, that means he will win? Just like the polls had Hillary by a lot, also. Why should how much money one has in their campaign matter? You vote for the elite now? Support matters at the voting office, within the constraints of the electoral college, unless you want florida, texas, new york, and california to decide the election. But, I get it. Hillary got almost 3 million more votes, so maybe the money did mean something. Dude, stop. It meant she had more money, spent more money, and STILL didn't win, which goes to my earlier point. Thanks for playing along. Sad thing is, you don't even know it.
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She had more money and she got more votes. That's called math.
I have never said that he will win.
Pocapornstar is already taking things to court to discount votes. He's already threatened to contest the election in court. He's already threatened not to concede the election should it be decided he loses. But then we're not voting for pastor of the United states, right? I mean that's what this rant of yours is actually all about. Making an excuse for supporting a despicable human being as the leader of our nation.
Try reading this again.......
I'm saying that donating money to the candidate you support is far more telling than planting a sign in your yard.
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I'm saying that donating money to the candidate you support is far more telling than planting a sign in your yard.
And I'm saying it doesn't matter. I'm proven right. I've never donated 1 cent to a candidate for ANY position. And my vote counts exactly as yours, or any donor. Except, I don't expect things for donating. I wish you understood........donors expect something back. What a sad state of affairs when donors and who has the most money is the deciding issue in some peoples mind. It's not a good gauge, at all, as I have evidenced.
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Since you're lying again you don't deserve a response. Have a good day arch. Taking that giant chip off your shoulder may help.
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Just looked. No chip on my shoulders. But I am literally AMAZED you can't turn and twist this in an attempt for you to be right.
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I don't need to turn or twist anything. People can read.
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This post is the epitome of "I'm 12 years old, and don't have a clue what you are saying and I hate you and Trump." You may be an adult in age, but you are not in any other manner.
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35 percent of the country is full of staunch Republicans, and there is nothing you can do to change their mind.
40 percent of of the country is full of staunch Democrats, and there is nothing you can do to change their mind.
25 percent of the country remains, and that is where the battle is won or lost. These are the people that are willing to listen, and apply reasoning to their decision.
You have to be talking to someone in the 25 percent group to make a point.
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Pit and OCD want the west and East coast wackos making policy for them.LOL They are simply slaves seeking a master.
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What makes these people wackos to you?
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Pit and OCD want the west and East coast wackos making policy for them.LOL I want every Americans vote to be equal. I know how equality bothers you guys.
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Pit and OCD want the west and East coast wackos making policy for them.LOL They are simply slaves seeking a master. You mean like your Pied Piper Pocapornstar who has convinced you guys to sell your values and claims for decades down the river? Like that?
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Pit and OCD want the west and East coast wackos making policy for them.LOL They are simply slaves seeking a master. Yes duty, I want dems/libs to run the country again. We need the sane people to retake control of the asylum. Our wackos are better than you orange wackadoodle. Peen thinks we are slaves while he melts down over punching a clock, paying higher taxes, and his 401k while wanting people to risk their lives to get the economy going because he doesn't want his retirement affected... and we're the slaves.
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I usually am very skeptical of studies like this because I often feel they are motivated by taking a preconceived result and then backing into the study.
In this case, I do remain skeptical, but I have to say it also resonates with me. I see this behavior in my family. To them, Trump is a person who can do no wrong, and that is a dynamic I do notice more on the Conservative side. The flaw with the Liberal side, as evidenced on this board, is that they are more concerned with fruitlessly disparaging Trump supporters than actually trying to work toward a solution to - in my mind - correct the environment which enabled Trump's presidency in the first place. I digress.
I have noticed the dynamic of this study in my family because I sometimes try to bring up anomalies. One of them is John McCain and the other one is John Kasich. I ask them who they voted for in 2008. They tell me McCain. I ask what they thought of McCain in 2017 when he was feuding with Trump, and they bashed the hell out of him. I asked what changed from 2008 to 2017. The bottom line is that the only thing that changed is that McCain publicly disagreed with Trump. I did the same thing with Kasich when he appeared in the DNC this summer. Same logic. To my knowledge, neither one of them changed their platforms. They just both displayed a counter-current to the president.
This, to me, signified that something that I perhaps already knew, but never really acknowledged. It went from becoming about the "what" (policies, platforms, etc.) to being about the "who." I noticed my family - especially my sister - began to passionately adopt policies and stances espoused by the president that they either disagreed with previously, or had never advocated. I've also noticed a militancy and a vitriol among them during this administration and election cycle that I had not ever seen from them previously.
This, to me, is an extremely dangerous, backward dynamic. Going from constituents pooling their ideologies and values to influence the candidate, to the candidate influencing what the constituents' beliefs should be.
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What makes these people wackos to you? That requires an educated response. So crickets is what you get. Typical... Pffft trump supporters.
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Yeah, but what did you think of the Article?
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What makes these people wackos to you? That requires an educated response. So crickets is what you get. Typical... Pffft trump supporters. You are the last person that can criticize for lack of educated response.
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Yeah, I really don't understand why people claim a moral high ground and then do the exact thing that they accuse others of doing.
Here's another simile: watching hard line opposing political discussions between both sides is like watching monkeys in opposing trees fling crap at each other, while arguing that the crap they're throwing doesn't stink.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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What makes these people wackos to you? That requires an educated response. So crickets is what you get. Typical... Pffft trump supporters. Does education mean you're smart or have common sense?
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What makes these people wackos to you? That requires an educated response. So crickets is what you get. Typical... Pffft trump supporters. Does education mean you're smart or have common sense? Nope it means you fall in line like Sheep.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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So anyone with any sort or degree or diploma from any level is a sheep?
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