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Browns are well represented.

First team:









Second team: J.C. Tretter,

i like that we have some dogs on both sides of the trenches.

Great post, Vers! I am tickled pink to see the caliber of solid performance here at key line positions, especially after the stinker of our opener. I am really overjoyed with the play of Teller, wherever it came from and however it happened. The bigger half of blocking and tackling is wanting to do so. Teller appears to be markedly committed to his assignments, and at his best now.

Hats off to these leaders. And honors to MG! DMVP in my book.

Teller has been outstanding, I have focused on him a number of times and he has been blowing open holes...

Kudos to him and that is a huge unexpected player emerging.

Perhaps the best off season move was the hiring of Callahan and he has done a great job, as expected...

It’s amazing how many good runs have come as the result of him pulling. He’s a great road-grater

No love for Ward's 2nd team nod, eh?

Did I miss that? If so, sorry. I think highly of Ward.

How does Pff, rank the Browns tight ends,
Hooper, Njoku, and Bryant in order of best, 2nd and next best, is my question.

Njoku is first w/a rating of 88.6. but does not have enough snaps to qualify in the rankings.

Hooper is at 72.4 and ranked 15th out of 64 TEs.

Carlson has a grade of 69.0, but not enough snaps to qualify for a league ranking.

Bryant is at 64.6 and ranked 35th out of 64 TEs.

Njoku is coming back. I though Bryant had a big game, the biggest game a couple of games ago, so I'm surprised he's 4th.

This is interesting from PFF.

Janovich is ranked 1st of 13 qualifying FBs w/a score of 77.3.

I think are TEs are a bright spot this year. I don't care if we don't draft anything but maybe a later round OL next year on O, use it on D. The O is set if we can keep everybody.

Browns Offensive PFF grades through week 5:

Baker: 26th out of 34

OBJ: 22nd out of 117

Landry: 31st out of 117

Chubb: 10th out of 50

Hunt: 8th out of 50

Janovich: 1st out of 13

Hooper: 9th out of 62

Tretter: 2nd out of 35

Teller: 1st out of 75

Bitonio: 6th out of 75

Conklin: 8th out of 72

Wills: 55th out of 72

having the 1st ranked FB, 1st and 2nd ranked OG, and 2nd ranked C ... WOW

Thank you for posting that. I'm surprised Hooper was so high.

Latest updates from PFF after disaster in Pittsburgh.

Offense:

Baker: 31st of 36

Hunt: 11th of 52

OBJ: 28th of 120

Landry: 32nd of 120

Hooper: 17th of 67

Conklin: 10th of 76

Wills: 60th of 76

Teller: 1st of 75

Bitonio: 6yh of 75

Hubbard: 32nd of 75

Tretter: 5th of 35

Defense:

Myles: 3rd of 110

Vernon: 79th of 110

Ogunjobi: 41st of 118

Richardson: 67th of 118

M. Smith: 11th of 81

TakiTaki: 37th of 81

Goodson: 26th of 81

Ward: 20th of 121

Mitchell: 62nd of 121

KJ: 44th of 121

Sendejo: 76th of 82

Joseph: 71st of 82

Malcolm Smith has been a pleasant surprise. He’s been solid.

Baker’s just not a good QB (as we’ve all said).

And our safeties leave so much to be desired. I wish we had Delpit just to see if we’d be any better there

Add Andy Janovich. 1st of 13

Thanks, and sorry for not adding that. I was looking the stuff up and dealing w/multiple texts. My bad.

I think the addition of Janovich was a great move by Berry.

No big deal at all.

I was just adding to your updated list.

On a side note, Janovich has told some great stories on WKNR and 92.3.

Shocked to see six players rank below Sandejo. Having trouble imagining that. He CERTAINLY has some upside.

How do they even say there are 82 FS? that would mean that each team has each played 2.75 FS who meet the minimum criteria.

doesn't seem possible.

What kills me, is that the coaches, and even the guys on CBD all talk about Sendejo as if he is this stalwart player. It is more than visible to the naked eye that the guy is horrible. He can call the defense from the backend, but he can't make the plays. He flies around out of control, and is a horrble tackler.

Updated PFF Grades for Browns Offense:



Baker: 28th of 37

Higgins: 19th of 118

Landry: 23rd of 118

Hooper: 15th of 66

Bryant: 16th of 66 [Note--Njoku's grade is slightly above the other two, but does qualify.]

Chubb: 11th of 55

Hunt: 12th of 55

Janovich: 1st of 13

Tretter: 3rd of 36

Teller: 1st of 77

Bitonio: 7th of 77

Hubbard: 23rd of 77

Conklin: 14th of 73

Wills: 59th of 73

Brown's Updated Defensive Grades via PFF:

Of 118 ranked corners, Ward is 18th; Mitchel is 46th; KJ is 83rd and Thomas is 89th.

85 Safeties are ranked. Harrison is 2nd, Joseph is 74th, and Sendejo is 83rd.

81 LBers are ranked. Smith is 15th, Goodson is 29th and Takitaki is 33rd.

Of 122 DL that are ranked, Taylor is 106th, Elliot is 85th, Richardson is 62nd, and Ogunjobi is 58th

110 Edge guys are ranked. Gustin is 95th, Vernon is 84th, and Myles is 3rd.

What's OBJ grade?

Harrison 2nd (safeties)!?

I like him, but that doesn't seem right.

I'm surprised Bitonio is that high. I tend to see a couple negative plays from him each game where I don't/can't see that as much from the other big fellas.

I know he's a rook and everything, but I would've thought Wills would've been higher.

Thank you for posting this stuff up, btw.

I feel Richardson should be higher than right in the middle.

I would say Harrison's grade is probably influenced by him not having as many reps as others. I also think it helps that he has two turnovers in his limited sample size.

I think Bitonio's grade is legit. I know we don't concentrate on this, but look at all the clean pockets we had this past Sunday.

Hard for me to judge Richardson because it is so congested. Maybe issues against the run? Not sure.

Oh, and you're welcome.

Harrison has made a lot of plays in limited action, so I'm sure that boosts his grade. INT for the TD and I think 2 fumble recoveries in 2 or 3 games? Plus he had at least2 other deflections that should have been INTs.

After I posted I went back and looked at relative # of snaps. I think I'm mixing up players that are out there opposite of Sendejo, because I didn't realize there was a shuffle.

Definitely the same thing going on with Higgins above Landry.

j/c
We've seen a good amount of talk about Baker's very real issues when under pressure, speed of processing, post snap reading of the D. . . . all legit. And to support his struggles the PFF grades have been referenced.

We've also had discussions about whether OBJ helps Baker be a better QB or might somehow negatively influence his decision making. That was dismissed by many because OBJ is considered as fact by some to be an elite WR despite some well documented struggles here in CLE ..... after this last game and the difference in Baker's performance it is certainly something a lot of the 'experts' are talking about now. Including Orlovsky who was previously referenced as something of an oracle, which I find interesting. I don't necessary buy into this 100% - but it's worth discussing and looking at. What will be more revealing is how Baker does under pressure without OBJ - something he wasn't vs Cinci.

Last thing - given we have someone posting PFF grades to highlight/verify how bad Baker has been, the same poster who says OBJ is elite .... why are OBJ's PFF grades and ranking being hidden? A major piece of the offence seems to be deliberately omitted.

What did OBJ rank?

re: Baker w/ and w/o OBJ...

KS has said said that they do look to get OBJ involved early in games. I hear that and think they do try to force him the ball a bit. That probably affects Baker's processing while in the play (giving a little extra focus to OBJ compared to when he's not out there). I might even say, for argument's purpose, that NOT having OBJ out there could result in an overall positive to the offense. The thing here is the why... and the why doesn't point to getting rid of OBJ as addressing the problem. If Baker can't function as well when he has an elite WR in the offense, that's a Baker problem, not an OBJ problem.

And again... that's assuming that this is actually the problem. There was too much time in the Cinci game between when OBJ left the game and when Baker started throwing the ball well for me to believe that theory.

Agreed ... and I said something like this elsewhere: It's entirely possible / probable that Higgins has better chemistry with Baker - and OBJ is a vastly superior talent. If Baker and the play calling is somehow negatively impacted by having a athletic phenom like OBJ lining up, that's a Baker (and possibly KS) issue, not a OBJ issue. Don't underestimate the impact of chemistry - don't underestimate or undervalue the impact of elite talent.

I'm still interested to see where OBJ ranks ... it does scream agenda that he's been left off the list.

their grading system sucks if they are ranking our LB's anywhere in the top 50

Our linebackers are actually not bad against the run. Against the pass they are terrible.

I think the worst part of our defense is the safeties.

When teams spread us out and just quick throw to eliminate pressure ... they can literally just pick on Goodson or Sendejo or whoever. It’s like fish in a barrel.

Not sure how to scheme it more effectively on our end