DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... Good News on Influenza Cases

You are really good at personal attacks. Congrats!

Nobody is. The problem is there is no containing things. It's exploding again all over the world.

I see a pretty widespread usage of masks yet I don't see a widespread drop in cases.

Why is that? Well, I know the answer...it is a airborne transmission. People sneeze or cough, you ingest droplets and you stand a very good chance of being infected.

The problem is getting droplets in your eyes is also a means to become infected.

I don't see people wearing goggles everywhere they go.

You seem to be the one who suggests that a Covid test would come back positive if you have influenza.

Thread after thread, the one common denominator is the guy claiming to be victim of the attacks... Same guy provoking the attacks... Same guy day in and day out...

Hey Peen, New Zealand has stopped it twice.

Research a bit.

18-year-old freshman at University of Dayton apparently dies from Covid-19
NBC News
Wilson Wong
,NBC News•October 26, 2020

18-year-old freshman at University of Dayton apparently dies from Covid-19
An 18-year-old freshman at the University of Dayton in Ohio died Thursday “apparently due to complications from" coronavirus, school officials said.

Michael Lang, a first-year student in the College of Arts and Sciences, died in LaGrange, Illinois, after a long hospitalization, the university said. It was not clear how long Lang had been hospitalized or whether he contracted the virus on or off campus.

“We extend our deepest sympathy and prayers to his family, friends, professors and our campus community,” the university said in a message to the school on Friday. “The loss of Michael calls our campus community to honor his memory and support those who are affected by his passing.”

Lang was living on-campus before returning to his hometown and switching to remote learning on Sep. 13, the university said.

Campus community members were invited to light a candle of remembrance and pray at the school’s chapel on Friday afternoon.

Since students returned to campus on Aug. 8, the University of Dayton has seen spikes and declines in Covid-19 cases, forcing students to move between classroom and online instruction, the Chronicle of Higher Education reported.

According to the University of Dayton’s Covid-19 dashboard, which has tracked Covid-19 cases since Aug. 10, the school reported 38 active people with the virus and a total of 1,377 cases, as of Monday morning.

Lang isn’t the first college student to die from Covid-19 or related complications.

Earlier in September, 20-year-old football player Jamain Stephens Jr. at California University of Pennsylvania passed away from Covid-19 complications, NBC Washington reported.

And late last month, NBC News reported that Chad Dorill, a “healthy” sophomore at Appalachian State University died from coronavirus at age 19.

Paul Lang, the father of Michael, told the Today Show his family was devastated by the loss of his son.

“Our kid is in a better place, and he’ll be looking down on us,” he said. “But he’s 18. He was way too young.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/18-old-freshman-university-dayton-170100633.html

My buddy in Thailand is living life fairly normally. It’s pretty much a non factor there.

That's odd, for as big a tourist destination that Thailand is.

I’m reading a NatGeo article on it now and it seems they really adhered to the guidelines. 95% mask usage, social distancing, people staying home, high trust of medical professionals, etc.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Wife is from there, talking to her family, they said anyone flying in to Thailand has to quarantine for two weeks at some hotel or something like that.

Not going to happen with all the ignorant folks not wearing masks or social distancing in this country. I can't say what I think of those folks on the board without getting banned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style...v7m0UQ1PcsuvqJQ


Just a few excerpts:


Scientists in Brazil have linked resistance to Covid-19 safety measures, such as wearing a mask, with antisocial personality traits.

When profiles were analysed, two were identified: an antisocial pattern profile who were resistant to Covid-19 safety measures and an empathy pattern profile who were compliant.

The antisocial profile was linked to higher scores in the personality questions related to “callousness, deceitfulness, hostility, impulsivity, irresponsibility, manipulativeness, and risk-taking”, antisocial traits which, the study notes, “are typically present in people diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD)". This group also had lower scores in affective resonance.

The empathy pattern profile showed higher scores in affective resonance and lower scores in the traits associated with ASPD.

You are being unfair there.

Obviously we all would like the number to be zero.

However, that doesn't seem possible. You know that. The flu is a good example. Even with a vaccine, only about 40% of those who receive the shot gain some degree of immunity. Maybe I shouldn't say 'only". In reality, 40% is a fairly significant number.

The COVID strain is more deadly for large segments of the population, and we as humans don't have any immunity at this point being it a new virus.

Maybe we get "lucky" and find a vaccine that stops this virus much as the polio virus and measles virus can be stopped in it's tracks. If not, we can expect numbers much higher than annual flu deaths.

Face it, this isn't going away any time soon, if ever.

2 separate replies:

First: What in particular wasn't fair?

Second:
Yes we would like that number to be zero.
Agree not possible in the near future.

The flu vaccine is a little more complicated. The % of people who achieve immunity varies by year. Most years that number is between 40-60%. Some years even better, other years not even that good. But of those who do not achieve immunity, if they do get infected their disease is significantly more mild than those who have not been vaccinated. (not meant to be an argument point but a clarity point - overall your tpught process on this isn't wrong).

You said:

"we can expect numbers much higher than annual flu deaths."
and
"this isn't going away any time soon,"

Agree and this goes along with the point of my post.
This virus needs to be taken seriously. And it seems like a lot of people think this virus is nothing because it hasn't affected them or anyone that they know. Or they know people who were infected who didn't get that sick. They have a myopic view. They post like, because they have low case rates in their area and don't know anyone who died from it that this virus is not significant. They post like 250,000 deaths are insignificant and don't matter. .

Outside of posters on this board, way too many people do not take this seriously which ends up perpetuating the spread and increasing the rates of infectoin and the number of deaths.

We could be like you and pick arbitrary numbers to try to use as "facts"

Or we could be like you and say how great things are in your area while ignoring cases and hospitalizations are spreading rapidly in the rest of the country.

I just know that the only thing spreading rapidly is politically based liberal BS.

My 1st post related to this said
"If everyone gets infected, with a 1% mortality rate, that is 3.3 million deaths in this country. I don't know if you are okay with that but i'm not."

My 2nd post said
"If half the population gets infected that is 1.5 million American deaths. 25% of the country infected that is 750.000."

Nowhere in there did I say or imply that 100% of the population would get infected. Notice the if. I was on ly trying to illustrate that 1% is not an insignificant amount of people.

Either your reading comprehension needs some work or you are purposefully twisting my meaning for your own purposes. I don't think you are dumb so stop twisting my words.

You posted this while I was typing. I might need to re-think some of my comments in there
Wow, just wow.

I can do arbitrary Ifs too. IF aliens invaded its 57% likely they will know how to cure covid.

Wow, laypeople arguing with doctors on a message board saying they’re wrong.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

You are just being ridiculous.

You are on the losing side of the argument so you say the most outlandish thing you can come up with.

You want facts:

Number of case in the US = 8.7 million (rounded down)
Number of deaths in the US = 226,000 (rounded down)
Death rate 2.57%

Total number of Americans who will be infected before this is over = ?
I don't know but you seem to think you do.
If I did my math right, 8.7 million people is about 2.6% of the population.
'Peen is right when he says this is far from being over.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

You are trying to state stats base on 100% of the population will be infected. For the purpose 0f scaring people.

Its a gross exaggeration. The infection rate in my county is .0001

If you are going to try to state something as a fact, please at least base it on real numbers. It would take 206 years for 100% of my county to be infected.

I never said nor did I imply in those posts that those numbers were stats.

What county do you live in?

How many people live in your county?

Take that number, divide by the population of the US, and that's the % of people that give a #$%& about your county.

Douglas county Georgia. The other county I hang out in is Paulding county.

You can look up our stats right on this chart:
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

Population of Douglas County Georgia = 148,000
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-counties/ga/douglas-county-population

Number of cases in Douglass county Georgia = 4078
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
Also confirmed by the link you posted

That means 2.7% of the population in your county has been infected

Number of deaths in Douglas county = 78
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
Also confirmed by the link you posted

That means 0.04% of the people in your county have died from covid

You say:
"The infection rate in my county is .0001"

For your number to be right that would mean only 14 people in your county have been infected. You say 20 new infections/day. so that may be where you got that .0001 from. That would be around the % of the population of your county getting infected daily.

We had a spike and no longer have it. Look at our current daily case count since we got past the 2nd wave. Its currently less than 20 cases per day.

Therefore our current infection rate is .0001

How long will it remain that low

Thats a good question.


I dont know the answer to it.

Per day in your county.
You talk like it is that way for the entire country

Do you or anyone have any recent numbers on how many unconfirmed cases might be out there? I've seen 3 times and up to 10 times the confirmed case total. I doubt the "10X" number, but "3X" sounds about right, assuming most are asymptomatic or have light symptoms. Of course, that would drastically impact the true death rate. And I understand, any number of unconfirmed cases would be a guess at this point.

All those estimates are pure guesses. I wouldn't even attempt to give you a number. You 'peen and Gm could all give numbers with as much validity as anything I could produce.

My number would be the correct number. Let's just get that point out of the way.

Something's not right here. That's 1/10000. If the population of your county is 1 million, that would mean you have only 100 cases. Are you in Fulton county? They last reported 33k cases.

20 cases per day divided by 151K residents = .0001