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1........lol..........1. Wide spread voter fraud?


https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local/...10-2b5ff176ab2c

FORTY FORT, Pa. — Authorities in Luzerne County (Pennsylvania) said they have stopped a case of voter fraud.
County detectives say a man (registered republican) from Forty Fort filled out an application for an absentee ballot for his mother, who is dead.
According to court paperwork, 67-year-old Robert Lynn used a typewriter to fill out that absentee ballot application in the name of his deceased mother. Court records show she passed away five years ago.

Luzerne County officials said this is the first voter fraud arrest here in 30 years.
"Definitely, it's disappointing because it's putting Luzerne County in a bad light," Edward Hennigan of Exeter said.
"Terrible, but it's going to be rampant in the whole state," Paul Middleton of Wyoming said.
"He should really be locked up for life," Louise Hennigan of Exeter said.
Lynn is a registered republican. Court paperwork shows the application was flagged in September, and election officials reported it to county detectives.
There's always going to be people out there who are trying to take advantage of the system or cheat the system, but most importantly, there's people on the other side making sure that doesn't happen," Luzerne County Manager David Pedri said.
Court paperwork shows as detectives questioned Lynn about the absentee ballot application, he tried to pin the blame on a relative. He later allegedly admitted to filling it out.
"I hope that this case really proves as an example to any individual who's thinking that they can do anything with regards to this election. People are watching these things," Pedri said.
Lynn was arraigned on charges of forgery and interference of an election. He was released on $10,000 unsecured bail. If he's found guilty, county officials said he could face up to 10 years in prison.

Is that the only validated 2020 Voter fraud case? are there no others?

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/of...olen-in-nevada/

This one -- though it sounds accidental (the most recent article I found on it strongly implies that the woman has early-stage dementia and forgot that she had already sent in a mail-in ballot).

Heard someone on TV today that they found 21,000 dead people that voted in PA... But again, no proof,, just another alligation.

Asking for validated cases only. .... so far we have 1 did IC 2? Pffft trump and his supporters. Losing bigly. Way over the cliff.

You know this thread gonna be be empty bro.

All trump has is speculation.

Humbly yeah I know that. I’m ready to chill but trumps got the claw into em forever.

This perfectly demonstrates the state of Trumpian minds right now. I'm loving the hypocrisy the right is displaying.

Moving forward in 2024 “The winner will only need to win by 1 legal vote.” Mark it down.

LOL,, I know. There should be by now at least 3 or 4 such validated situations. Still, I've not seen anything validated let alone anything that can actually have an impact on the election.

I'm not sure there will be anything,

Validation and evidence? PFFFT. We all know they are allergic to the truth, facts, evidence, science, and anything else that proves the lies wrong.

He appears to have recanted his story under further questioning.

Yes - the article I posted is about him recounting his story.

In the meantime, he raised $138k via a GoFundMe Account.... not bad.

The Times Called Officials in Every State: No Evidence of Voter Fraud

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/us/politics/voting-fraud.html

Not a single case of voter fraud? In the entire country?

It would probably be better to qualify the statement as organized or systemic voter fraud involving multiple ballots. There are probable individual ballots that if examined on a case by case basis would have irregularity, (someone moves on) but someone at the post office or election office intentionally manipulating ballots is what is in question.

He says he did not recant.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/10/usps-postal-worker-admits-made-up-claims-backdate-ballots/

Not validated. Only validated cases will be recognized here. We/ve got one maybe two validated so far. Anyone else got any?

Does everyone understand that if trump is right about voter fraud, it basically means that this is something that is spread across 10 or more states and countless counties within those states?

Is there anyone here that actually thinks anyone or any group could possibly organize and coordinate these actions all at one time?

Seriously, Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this nonsense?

If you believe that, then why do you suppose they allowed Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham to win? I mean getting rid of those two guys and taking the Senate back would have to have been a goal of this grand scale fraud..

Also, if they could do all of that, do you really think that the House would have lost any democrats at all? I'd think they'd have made sure that that didn't happen either.

Another question, Does it make sense that ONLY the votes for Biden will be effected by Ballots that are discarded from Trumps efforts? I mean, wouldn't everyone on those very ballots be in a position to have their results altered as well?

Think about how crazy it would have to be if Trump were right about this.

It's insane....Just insane.

I'm putting this post up simply to repeat what ChargerDawg said, because I think it's worth repeating to ensure that it's clear.

What is being debated is rampant, systemic fraud. Not onesy-twosy ballots here and there. There's a line (somewhere) between that and 'systemic'.

Nobody is arguing that there are fraudulent ballots out there. That's an unfortunate truth. These instances should be investigated and prosecuted (if necessary) as they are found, but that's not a reason to hold up an election.

What's being alleged (without any evidence) is a systemic fraud happening in this election. I actually agree with Bill Barr's announcement, that if there is a substantive allegation, that that should be investigated. Not sure why that needed an announcement, as it's pretty common sense.

So you think that there are on or two ballots that are fraudulent but not X ballots that are fraudulent?
What is X?

That's why I said that there is a line, and it's somewhere. But beyond that, saying that these one-off instances of illegitimate ballot(s) are widespread enough to impact the election is totally absurd, and so stopping everything to investigate doesn't make sense. Is it ok that this is going on? No. Does it impact the integrity of the election process? Not really.

What would impact integrity is an intentional instance of systemic fraud. Single attempt(s) to introduce a massive amount of fraudulent/illegitimate ballots into the system. This is what is being alleged and (so far) of which there is no proof.

A GOOD CHUNK OF THE MONEY RAISED TO FUND TRUMP’S ELECTION LAWSUITS WILL NOW GO TO HIS NEW PAC

To support his dubious legal campaign to change the outcome of the election, the president has been hounding his supporters to donate money—most of which will now bankroll a new PAC.

s he mounts a disgraceful and anti-democratic challenge to the 2020 election results, Donald Trump’s campaign has been sending forceful emails to supporters, pleading for donations to fight the “illegal ballots” he claims were cast for Joe Biden, his soon-to-be successor. But the fundraising effort isn’t only supporting his long-shot legal battle: Never one to pass up an opportunity to grift, a majority of the money he’s bringing in was initially earmarked to pay off his campaign debts.

And now, the New York Times’ Maggie Haberman reported Tuesday, 60 percent of the new donations will go to a new political action committee called Save America, which will bankroll his personal political activities after he leaves the White House. “Small donors who give thinking they’re helping to defend the integrity of our election are in fact largely helping to finance Trump’s post-presidential political endeavors,” Brendan M. Fischer, an attorney at the watchdog Campaign Legal Center, told the Times.

According to Haberman, donations only go to the recount fund once they hit the $5,000 mark, meaning most of the money will go to the Republican National Committee and to Trump’s new PAC funding travel, polling, donations to other candidates, and other activities ostensibly related to politics. Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh defended the PAC, saying it was part of the president's long-established plan to “support candidates and issues he cares about, such as combating voter fraud.”

Of course, there’s only one candidate Trump truly cares about—himself—and filtering the money through a PAC as opposed to a more narrowly defined recount fund could allow him to define the “issues” he spends money on a bit more loosely. “There is far more flexibility with how a candidate can use a leadership PAC than a recount account,” Fischer told Haberman.

In refusing to concede the election to Biden, Trump is obviously working to maintain the delusion that he has never lost anything in his life and that only a massive, anti-Trump conspiracy can explain his apparent defeat. But as my colleague Gabriel Sherman reported Monday, the Trump campaign's debts—and now his PAC—give him a financial incentive to continue fighting the legitimacy of the results. Playing this sort of sleight of hand on the MAGA faithful is likely a preview of his post-presidential career. He traded on his office for political gain for the last four years, why stop now?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/trump-election-lawsuit-donations-save-america-pac

Trump knows and acknowledges he lost with this IMHO. He is just scamming what he can before he's done.

Anybody that gives money to fight a legal battle of which there hasn't been a single shred of legit evidence to support absolutely deserves to be defrauded (imo).

Well, Trump is alleging that 600,000 in PA alone are fraudulent.

Well, I don't know all the reasons behind the lawsuits and whether they are saying their is some instances of mass vote tampering or not. If they have evidence, they only have to give that evidence to the judge.

But I am still concerned that people are okay with voter fraud. I don't see anyway of knowing the proportion of illegal votes. If it is possible for 1 out of 1 million ballots to be illegal, then what measures are in place that would prevent it from being 1 in 100 ballots?

I am not being facetious here either. I am ignorant on the internal controls used to protect the election process and legitimately curious how so many people can be so certain that there are not a large number of illegal votes.

So there will be a recount.

It's not the end of the world.

Unless the rampant voter fraud is true.

Are you 100% sure that is what is alleged? They specifically allege that there are 600,000 fraudulent? and not illegal, or improperly handled or something else?

And we can dismiss this claim as being without merit because... why?

Hey, I found the voter fraud. Looks like Biden is in big trouble. Click the spoiler to reveal the truth. Looks like we're stuck with fascism for another ten years. I hope the GOP takes the evidence in the spoiler and uses it for their case.

Rocket, your better than that. Don't resort to laughing man.

Step up and debate.

Someone made claims of voter fraud. What specifically was alleged?

Those claims are ridiculous and should be ignored... How can we be certain?

Debate?

I heard all 50 states reported no instances of fraud yesterday.

Show me factual evidence that the FBI has reported to be actual fraud.

Until then, I'll continue to mock the ever living daylights out of those who care more about fascism than wanting an America that works for all.

I trust the experts, s003apr. It's how I was taught to learn information. I was taught to value truth over opinion.

So again, until I get presented with factual evidence from a trusted source....take your L.

Because they originate from a well known established liar with zero morality?

If Trump doesn't concede and the gun toting thugs end up threatening or hurting people over the lie that Trump won or Trump claims voting fraud... then Biden should have the whole damn republican party put on the domestic terrorism list. JMHO

This has already happened

here

I never said there was fraud. I cannot provide evidence of it, nor am I trying to make the case that there is fraud.
Here's a rundown.
1. Someone said there is no evidence of fraud
2. I request clarification - not a single case?
3. Two people correct - there is definitely some fraud, but it is negligible
4. Again I request clarification. How do we know it is negligible and specifically how much is negligible? How can we reconcile that with the fact that we also seem to accept that the system is insecure enough to allow for some fraud?

I am not trying to make the case that there is voter fraud. It seems that most people here accept that there is voter fraud. I would like to discuss the election system and understand why other think we should have confidence in it. Most people seem to hold the opinion that voter fraud occurs, but that it could not possible occur on a scale large enough to worry about. I am curious how people can be so certain of that. Without any form of limiting control on fraud, then these appear to be conflicting opinions that people hold simultaneously.

...and one reason I believe that someone shouldn't ever mock someone in an argument or debate is that it undermines their own credibility.

I think it's funny that when a serial-liar alleges "massive" democracy-shaking fraud in an election -- you suddenly think the burden of proof is on the winning candidate to prove that there was no fraud.

Trump hasn't even gotten close to providing evidence of fraud, much less an unprecendented fraud that would be necessary to change the results of an election that wasn't that close...

Responding to this only justifies it.... there is no reason for this debate to even be happening.

I will say this, since you are now about 450 posts in... I'm a progressive verging on socialist. My politics are based on what I think is the right and decent thing to do more often than not. I want to see everyone be fed, housed, clothed, have access to medical care and education as a basic right. We have to get over profits and bottom lines long enough to take care of the basic needs of every american that needs help first. In some cases, that might be government programs, and in other cases it might mean regulations. But in all cases, we should put people first and profits later IMHO. There are many other issues, but in my opinion, until we treat each of our citizens with the same basic dignity and respect that money buys those who can afford it now, we are going to continue to slowly disintegrate as a nation.

That all said, reading your posts from an opposition perspective, has been a welcome change to the non-rational posts of most of the boards Trump supporters. You seem to be very intelligent, put a lot of thought and detail in your posts, and have made some damn good points a time or two. Thanks for all of that. And when we inevitably disagree, I'll try to remember feeling this way before I lash out viciously to eviscerate your talking points in the future.