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You noticed that too. Crazy people think sorta alike I guess.

And no it didn't work, but nothing else did either.

Give me a Mike and someone who lays the wood and watch this defense go to the next level.

For the record I love Richardson, he plays hard and is all over the field. I think he is a difference maker, then again I am not looking for DT's to get great pressure, just keep the LB clean and don't get pushed around. But Richardson by and large is one of our best (IMO) defenders, hustle, hustle, hustle. I respect the hell out of his game.

Oh and we could make a hell of a lot of improvement if we were a better tackling team. Go belt buckle to below the knees constantly. The high hitters miss to many tackles. Go low. Stop trying to blow people up and take the easiest way to get them on the ground. That isn't talent IMO either it's technique.

You and I are on the same page. it all starts with scheme or defensive philosophy if you will.. Talk to DAVE about how to build a baseball Team , and he will tell you up the middle first .. I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT FOOTBALL.

Have stated many times on my pick of Malik Harrison in the draft. Thought hr was a plug and watch grow kinda Middle LB .. Didn't want Delpit at safety .. beat up last and this running a 4/2..

A slow and steady assent with no expectations that it's going to take 5 minutes to fix.

Of all the seasons this is also the 1st I remember where fans weren't constantly rallying around the idea we need to fire everyone. Things are settling down, the focus is on getting better and winning their is a steady hand guiding the team and it shows.

We are getting there, we knew we were likely to need more pieces before any of this began we knew, and for the 1st time I remember fans are being laid back and enjoying the changes and the feeling of a steady assent.

We aren't there yet, and I expect set backs followed by at least some frustration but I think everyone gets the feeling that our best days are ahead.

You might have those 2 guys with Delpit and Phillips. I'm not saying we do but the potential is there if Delpit recovers from his injury and Phillips realizes his full potential. The talent is there.

I am not defending or prosecuting Woods, but you can't not notice he has a lack of talent to work with, nor can you miss the lack of even minor improvement.

He is indeed a huge ? at this point.

I've been saying this for three weeks now.

2 punts in 3 games cannot be explained by lack of talent alone.

Parsons is a freak. He has some character issues and red flags, but he’s a definite target for a LB needy team

"Merci" beaucoup perhaps?

I don't see Parsons getting out of the top 12, off-ball LB or not. It would take at least a 4th round pick to move up to get him depending on where we end up. JMO.

Those guys cost high draft picks.

I counted 10 attributes on you want list, I think you’re going to have to be satisfied with 5-6, in this draft/FA.

Interesting side note: Emmanuel Ogbah is only 1.5 sacks behind Myles Garrett and 1.0 behind TJ Watt and Aaron Donald.

That is an eye opener. Just never thought Ogbah was keeping company in that group. MG still leads the way, and is earning an elite reputation.

But when you have Miles Garrett on your team it's overlooked

I think he had 5 or 6 in one game a couple of weeks ago. Kind of a freak game kind of thing.

You can't discount how Flores has his team playing though either.

Sorry that's not accurate. He's just been slowly stacking them like Myles.

Ogbah was yet another victim of team instability and turnover.

#notarealfootballplayer

Yup.
He was one of the guys let go by Dorsey in Hue's last year here, wasn't he?

Just checked. The most he's had in a game this year is 2. Also found out his nickname is The Nigerian Nightmare.

i live in florida and they LOVE ogbah here..as much as Cleveland loves Myles.. he's the one that got away for sure. Now we sit here looking for exactly him to be opposite myles and we had him

Delpit might have other issues to deal with....so might the Browns- allegations he taped a girl having sex as LSU without her consent. I sure hope our background guys dig deep for this kind of stuff before we use high draft pick on them. Hoped we learned from Johnny "Money fingers"...there is more to just playing ball. I'm positive Coach S wants to know if any of the allegations are true....maybe he never plays a down for Browns!!! Hope it's all baloney, but story sure sounded like LSU takes care of its athletes like FSU. Go Browns!!!

Don't forget about the Phillips rape allegation.

I can't believe that guys in college, especially jocks, could do such a thing!!!

Can't believe it either, was your daughter involved. Hope not, high character guys doing right thing on our team these days according to Head Coach and GM, wonder what they're thinking now....GO Browns!!!

Curse of the regime change indeed. Ogbah was looking very 'meh' when we let him go. I think it's more a victim of scheme change (via regime change) than just regime change. Ogbah netted us Eric Murray... who we let walk either this offseason or last. Who wouldn't kill for an Eric Murray right about now?

or an Emmanuel Ogbah.

Can't fault the team too much on Ogbah.

He was only a rotational player for the Chiefs s last year as well and they let him walk. Good for him that he is doing well, but the NFL only allows QB's (sometimes) to take more than 3 years to develop. It is what it is.

I would not commit homicide for another dlineman. A serviceable FS, though....

I think Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, out of Notre Dame is looking more realistic for us. I always see Parsons projected going top 10.

And then there are the edge rushers. Gregory Rousseau, out of Miami (FL) and Joseph Ossai, out of Texas. But I see these guys projected all over the place. Just too early.

I've been kinda digging Patrick Jones II's motor as an edge guy. But he's definitely a day 2 prospect.

Non off the edge guys seem to have actually developed their pass-rush moves this year. It's annoying.

Then again, we may have to get a CB really early, so...

Browns options for replacing injured CB Denzel Ward

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/browns-options-for-replacing-injured-cb-denzel-ward/


Already down one projected starting cornerback for the entire 2020 season, the Cleveland Browns must now scramble to replace the other starter. And with Denzel Ward now out for at least a couple of games, the Browns find themselves in need of filling a chasmic hole without its top player in the secondary.

Ward is not only the Browns best cover man and playmaker at cornerback, he’s one of the best in the entire NFL. Replacing him will not be simple. The Browns do have some options borne out of necessity, however.

Here are some ideas for how the Browns can replace Ward at the outside CB spot opposite Terrance Mitchell for a few weeks.

Kevin Johnson

Johnson will certainly play a primary role in replacing Ward. The question is, where?

The veteran has been the Browns’ primary slot/nickel corner all season. He hasn’t exactly been great, surrendering 20 completions on 25 targets and allowing a QB Rating against of 96.3, per Pro Football Focus.

However, Johnson is at his best playing inside. Keeping him in the slot would allow one less moving part in the mechanics of the secondary, one that struggles to work well together even when Ward is playing his Pro Bowl best outside. Johnson is the best slot option on the team and probably should stay there.

Tavierre Thomas

Thomas was the proverbial “next man up” earlier this season when Johnson was out or slowed with injuries. Like Johnson, Thomas played almost exclusively in the slot.

The best way to lay out the case for, or rather against, Thomas playing more is that he hasn’t played a single snap on defense since Week 4. He was consistently a step late in coverage and doesn’t have the fluid athleticism needed to hang with most receivers inside. PFF pegged Thomas for giving up 19 receptions on 22 targets and a QB Rating allowed of 112.1.

Playing outside could be a better option. Thomas is physical and one of the best tacklers on the team.

M.J. Stewart

Stewart has barely played for the Browns this year, his first in Cleveland. He’s logged just four snaps over three games since a rough outing against Dallas in Week 4, when he gave up two easy completions and missed a tackle.

He too has primarily been a slot corner. If the choice is to play Johnson outside, Stewart in the slot becomes a more likely option. Stewart just doesn’t have the speed or acceleration to hang with the faster options on the outside.

A.J. Green

The prized member of the Browns’ undrafted rookie class of 2020, Green has yet to make a dent in Cleveland. He’s been on the practice squad all year, seeing exactly one snap when elevated to play in Week 3.

Green should be at least in line for an elevation this week. At 6-1 with lanky arms, he’s the longest CB on the roster. If the Browns are looking to get him some game action to see what they’ve got in the rookie from Oklahoma State, Jacksonville is about as optimal of a place to make a more substantial debut as possible. In college and during the Senior Bowl week, Green was at his best in tight press-man, which isn’t something the Browns do a lot

Robert Jackson

Jackson has yet to play a defensive rep in 2020 and saw the field for just one snap in 2019 on defense. The hirsute corner makes his living on special teams.

Jackson has size and some hitting ability that are more in line with a safety than a cornerback. In fact, he played safety in high school and college before transitioning to outside cornerback at the end of his UNLV career. Jackson struggled in the 2019 preseason with holding and grabbing.