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LTV STEEL? Thought that reopened years ago

I like OBJ and all but in hindsight, it wasn't a good move.

It would have been nice to keep that first rounder too and take a guy like DK Metcalf. He's doing alright.

DK could have been had in the 2nd round. He went 64th overall.

j/c

Man, I think this entire drag racing thing is being overblown. Was it a good idea or smart? No. I just find it funny how people think all of this great wealth of wisdom is commonly found in such young people.

Was it from stop sign to stop sign? Or was it an actual drag race? I've seen many a drag racing ticket given that was totally inappropriate given the circumstances. Talk about sharks to the chum.

It was stupid but people are reacting like they raped someone.

I tend to agree. We haven’t had much (or any) off the field drama this whole year. This is a great opportunity to set this thing in the right direction EVEN MORE than it already is.

Stefanski and the staff hold all of the leverage right now ... we are winning, in the playoffs, coach of the year, etc. You can keep this going with a good way of handling this situation, however that will be

Truth. I count my blessings (as a fan), and they should too, when lessons can be learned in rather innocuous situations such as these. Young men will always be young men, not an excuse -- just a fact.

Chalk it up, move on, be a better person because of it. That's just part of our circle of life as humans.

I don't think it is being overblown at all. Everyone is pretty much saying what you're saying... it was stupid. Young & dumb. I don't think anyone has called it anything more than that, at all.

That said... it was REALLY dumb, and REALLY immature. Part of the position they are in comes with the responsibility of knowing that they need to conduct themselves better and think beyond the moment.


I recall some people on here wondering why some of us are always calling pro players "kids"... well, THIS is a clear cut example, because these are the actions of kids.

That is all.

I don't know. I guess our perception of a lot of what's posted is most certainly different.

Like the entire, "They're being selfish and not putting the team first" kind of talk.

Do people actually think that all these kids ever think about is football? That they sat and thought, "You know, I don't really care about my team, the fans or my job. I think I'll go drag race!"

I find that thought process preposterous. Maybe it's just my perception of what's being posted. But from the way it looks, a lot of people either can't remember their youth or lived a very sheltered life and are mistake free.

Nobody ever thinks that.
The point is they DIDN'T think "Wait, you know what? I don't want to do anything that puts me or the team at risk; there is too much that is FAR more important going on right now; let's not screw anything up by doing something stupid just for the kicks of it".

That's the difference. It's not what they thought, it's what they DIDN'T think.

This is why youth and wisdom have very little reason to be placed in the same sentence. Unless you have the words, "have very little" placed between those words.

Expecting young people to stop and think about many of the things they do before they do them is having unrealistic expectations.

And add a few hundred thousand dollars, if not millions, to that equation = !!!!!!

This is one of the factors I talk to friends about when it comes to LeBron ... dude was signed by Nike for $90 million at the age of 18. Dude has been awesome on the court and never had drama off the court other than a couple of political comments (Korea?) .... truly impressive by any standard.

Hit the breaks here. Those hundred thousand and millions are the exact reason these kids need to walk the straight and narrow. As many things as I did when I was young I would have had the self restraint to behave myself for Millions of dollars. Even somebody who is immature and stupid knows that money won't be available for long. Buckle down behave yourself and when you retire in your early or late 30's with all that money you have it made, and you can then do what ever the hell you want.

Now you're just lying.

Lebron hasn't been in any trouble for 2 very basic reasons; he has brains and common sense and He's had them since he was a kid. That is very rare and I'm not saying this because I'm a Lakers fan.

It will be interesting if we offer Higgins a contract. I think we will offer a small year/salary type deal

Higgy is a nice piece to have, but it makes no sense for us to be the first offer on the table.

This is Higgy's first real shot at free agency even though he was free for a while a year or so back. He probably isn't going to sign the first offer he gets, at least this early in the process.

Let some other team set the floor, then see if we want to go from there. If we do, let him know this is the best offer we will make and it might not be available tomorrow if you walk away.

To me, when it is your player, don't let the player shop your offer. Allow him to seek offers and then you up the offer or say no thanks.

My thinking is if the player doesn't give you a chance to up the amount, they didn't want to be here.

He got bigger offers last season, but took ours because he wanted to be here. He again said it, he wants to be here.

Sign him up.

He has great chemistry with Baker, he never drops the ball and he wants to be here. Give that man a deal and be done with it!

If memory serves the contract he turned down was about 95k or so more than the Browns gave him. It's not like he walked away from millions.

Just make a fair offer and get the negotiations going. He has proven again and again that he has an inherent value HERE. He has earned, again and again, his spot.

Obviously, there are behind-closed-doors issues we don't know the details on, otherwise two different coaching staffs wouldn't have sat him so much for so long, and that MUST be addressed and ironed out, but damn... all the guy does is show up on Game Day. Not once have we been better off without Higgins out there.

If you don't give a damn one way or the other about keeping him your strategy sounds perfect. If you expect the player to think you care about retaining his services your way is the exact opposite of how one would approach it.

Sometimes that's the difference between a player staying or leaving. I remember that strategy being employed some years ago and it cost us a very good player on our OL. But when you think one side holds all the cards and the other side isn't worth the trouble people tend to treat them that way.

I know I wouldn't want to work at a place like that.

I hope we can resign him for 2 years at 1.25 million per year.

The team is better with Higgins, and he’s a willing participant in the negotiations. I’ll be surprised and disappointed if they don’t come to terms with him.

I'll piggyback this with some of the other comments similar to yours.

I like Higgy and hope we keep him. I may not have been clear with that in my last comment.

I think it will take much more than that to keep him here. If the Browns offered him that, he might as well test the market.

He should be our #2 WR of the future. I hope we get it done.

Did you not watch the playoffs this year?

Regardless, I like Hollywood. Hope he stays.

Of course I did. Up until then he did not have a dropped pass

It was a catch and a fumble on a hit that should have been flagged. Higgins' hands are reliable. IMO, what he may lack in speed and route precision is made up for by his ability to get open and make catches in the clutch.

I'm not a salary guru but I should think that there is a way to arrive at a low and high range value for him. I'd offer him maybe around the 75% of the high range. He doesn't have the stats to justify a top tier contract BUT he is consistent and clutch. Again, within the context that we should be pushing playoffs again, you have to value a guy like that.

SIGN HIM !!!

I am sure we will make him a offer unless someone else makes him a offer higher than we want to go. We will sign him if the price is bargain basement.

My feeling is we view Peoples-Jones as a replacement for Higgins. Very similar players. The reality is we probably don't need two of the same type player.

My thinking is we look more for a deep threat, who we will have to pay more. That or draft one of the excellent receivers in the draft much earlier in the process then most of us think.

To me it boils down to Peoples- Jones or Higgy. My money says we stick with Jones.

Another way to look at it....if Higgy played for another team, would he be at the top of your free agent list? Would he be the first receiver you targeted?

For me, no. I promise, that wouldn't draw a lot of excitement across the board.

IMO he is more of a 4 or 5 wr for the Browns. OBJ, and Laundry as the starters. We need a number 3 guy who can stretch the Defense. A number 4 guy who can catch the ball and move the chains like Higgy.

Peen,

You went from comparing Higgins to DPJ, then asking if Higgins would be a top tier WR in free agency. Apples and lugnuts IMO.

I think Higgins is more like Jarvis and OBJ than he is DPJ. Higgins is not as talented as Jarvis or OBJ, but his price tag is much, much better...and he's more than just serviceable...especially with his Baker connection.

I think they sign Higgins to a mid-range contract of a #2 WR...restructure Landry...understand that OBJ's injury and contract means he's here for 2021...re-sign Hodge...see if DPJ/Hodge can be a deep threat and if not, sign a deep threat. I also think Higgins will be here in '22 when OBJ moves on (or restructures).

MKC thinks the Browns are interested in Breshad Perriman possibly filling that deep threat role.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/02...ns-insider.html