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" China first would have to infiltrate, hack and research previous Russian attacks and use the same fingerprint that Russia had been using"

Elaborate - what fingerprint, specifically, are you referring to? I get that some reporter used those words and you're now repeating them...

The only thing anyone had to do was compromise the Solarwinds software on the Solarwinds site. That software then gets brought into facilities by trusted people with domain admin credentials... wham, full network compromised immediately.

Also, when it comes to computers, if one person can do it, a dozen can spoof it. Anyone capable of carrying off this vector would have little to no trouble making it look like it came from anything and anyone they wanted; especially with the ability to use VPN's in so many different countries to disguise where something is coming from.

I lean toward China because it is no secret whatsoever that their goal is to overtake the US - and thus the world - by 2027. They are VERY actively working toward creating a world where we are an economic vassal to them (and there are those that are all too willing to enable them). Lastly, if Russia, I would far more suspect the Russian mob than the Russian government, and I don't think this is something their mob would do.


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Trump downplays Russian-linked cyberattack on U.S.

https://www.axios.com/trump-russian-cybe...tm_content=1100


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"This was a very significant effort, and I think it's the case that now we can say pretty clearly that it was the Russians that engaged in this activity," Pompeo said in an interview Friday on "The Mark Levin Show."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/politics/pompeo-us-government-hack-russia/index.html

SolarWinds disclosed over the weekend that it had become apprised of “a highly sophisticated, manual supply chain attack on SolarWinds® Orion® Platform software builds for versions 2019.4 HF 5 through 2020.2.1, released between March 2020 and June 2020.” This would appear to be the source of the FireEye breach, which is now known to have not been confined to FireEye: the Washington Post says the US Departments of Commerce and the Treasury were also hit. The attack involved the introduction of a backdoor into the Orion Platform. That backdoor was subsequently propagated in the form of a software update that contained the malware.

FireEye calls the backdoor “Sunburst.” Microsoft’s Security Response Center has a detailed account of how the malware functions. Both FireEye and Microsoft have upgraded their security products to include measures for detecting and protecting against the attack. SolarWinds urges its customers to “upgrade to Orion Platform version 2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible.”

Late yesterday evening the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) issued Emergency Directive 21-01, outlining immediate steps Federal agencies should take to protect themselves from attacks exploiting the SolarWinds backdoor. Agencies have until noon today to apply the measures required by the Emergency Directive.

Cozy Bear (also called APT29, a known unit of Russia's SVR foreign intelligence service) appears to have been behind the attack, the Wall Street Journal reports. Moscow denies any involvement in the incident. Reuters adds that the Kremlin thinks the Americans should have been more mutual, more cooperative.

https://thecyberwire.com/newsletters/daily-briefing/9/239


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The only thing trump is not staying silent on is a rigged election that everyone knows about


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ok, that is NOT as bad as I thought.

If this was limited to the Orion platform and only a few select builds, then this is definitely NOT the horror show I had thought it was upon hearing "Solarwinds".


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Comrade trump.

It never ends with this jerk.

Before taking the oath of office, trump settled with the plaintiffs in the Trump University case for $25 million. A class-action lawsuit regarding an incoming president defrauding students of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Just before taking office. Right. trump knows fraud.

Quid Pro Quo his way of making a living.

Lie about Covid and cures.

Now he says fake news when his buddies in the Kremlin hack US govt. intel programs. His Secretary of State normally a mouth organ for trump says it was them.

What a upstanding guy. All he needs is a cozy cell with iron bars.

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Trump downplays Russian-linked cyberattack on U.S.

https://www.axios.com/trump-russian-cybe...tm_content=1100



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There is nothing to prevent Trump from lying about the source of this cyber attack and claim that "CHINA" was responsible, not Russia.

Pompeo might be using this opportunity to play some politics by showing some leadership, speaking out while Trump remains silent.

Was Pompeo speaking out of turn?...or...will Trump use Pompeo's statement as the official response from his administration?...thus there is no need for Trump to say anything since Pompeo already commented.

I doubt that Trump will do anything to upset his Russian handler,Vladimir Putin.



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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
They dont even know if it was the russians.

He was probably advised to keep his mouth shut until they figure it out.
Dealing with other countries is different than dealing with lameos in congress and in the media.


They do know. It’s pretty indisputable. Look at history though. Trump tried to get out of sanctioning Russia more and defamed his own intelligence agency in front of Putin. As a matter of fact, I can’t think of one time he ever condemned Russia.

Something is there. And it stinks.


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All of our intel agencies say it's Russia, but the anti-intel president says it's china and you believe him?


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It could have been some guy in his basement, right? wink


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This just in......

Barr contradicts Trump by saying it 'certainly appears' Russia behind cyberattack

Outgoing Attorney General William Barr on Monday said it "certainly appears" Russia is behind a massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies, an accusation that is in contrast with President Donald Trump, who has avoided condemning Moscow for the incident.

"I agree with Secretary Pompeo's assessment. It certainly appears to be the Russians, but I'm not going to discuss it beyond that," Barr said at a news conference, referring to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's comments last week that "we can say pretty clearly that it was the Russians that engaged in this activity."

It's the latest notable break by Barr from Trump's political agenda. At the same news conference, he said there was no need to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter, and the attorney general has disputed Trump's false claims of widespread voter fraud.

Barr's comments also underline Trump's extraordinary willingness to dispute top officials in his own administration who have pointed to Russia as a suspect when condemning nefarious activity.

In his first public comments on the cyberattack over the weekend, Trump suggested that "it may be China" that's responsible, even though White House officials had drafted a statement assigning blame to Russia for the attack and were preparing to release it Friday afternoon before being told to stand down, people familiar with the plans have told CNN. Officials initially weren't told why the statement was pulled back.

The statement, the people said, placed blame on Russia for orchestrating the attack but left open the possibility that other actors were involved.

Officials in the Trump administration have said the cyberattack "poses a grave risk" to networks across both the public and private sector. At least half a dozen federal agencies -- including the Department of Homeland Security's cyber arm and the Departments of Agriculture, Commerce, Energy and State -- were known to have been targeted in the attack, which impacted a third-party software's vendor system.

Investigators are still trying to determine what, if any, government data may have been accessed or stolen in the hack.

Kevin Mandia, the CEO of FireEye, the cybersecurity firm that discovered the breach, said on CBS's "Face the Nation" Sunday that the sophistication of the SolarWinds operation meant there was "definitively a nation behind this," adding that US investigators were working to attribute the hack with 100% certainty.

Mandia said the hackers conducted a "dry run" in October 2019 to change code in the SolarWinds Orion platform, but it was innocuous. Then, in March, the attackers put in the malicious code into the supply chain.
"It was a backdoor into the American supply chain that separates this from thousands of other cases that we've worked throughout our careers," he said.

Mandia said while 18,000 companies had the malicious code in their network, there are about 50 organizations or companies that were impacted by the threat.

Trump's reluctance to blame Russia for the hack recalls several notable incidents during his presidency in which he responded similarly. Most notably, he took the word of Vladimir Putin over the findings of US intelligence agencies in 2018 when he publicly accepted the Russian President's denial of interfering in the 2016 US presidential election.

Trump has also declined to press Putin over US intelligence that alleged Russia offered bounties to Taliban fighters to kill US troops in Afghanistan, at one point referring to it as an "issue that many people said was fake news."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/21/politics/william-barr-russia-cyberattack/index.html?


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Why the Russian hack is so significant, and why it's close to a worst-case scenario

Experts say it's potentially the largest spying operation against the U.S. in history — and it ran without being noticed for nine months.

It's not often that the Treasury Department and Iowa State University are dealing with the same security problem.

Such is the breadth of what's known as the SolarWinds hack, named for a Texas-based company that was used as a staging ground for an espionage campaign so widespread that experts say we're only beginning to understand who was affected and what was stolen. Treasury is trying to figure out how many senior officials' email accounts were monitored. Iowa State has decommissioned servers to check whether hackers got in.

Around the world, at least hundreds, but more likely thousands or tens of thousands of organizations — including companies, schools, think tanks and, notably, every major government agency — have been working frantically to see whether they've been affected by the suspected Russian hacking campaign and, if so, how much access the hackers had.

It's not rare for companies or government agencies to suffer security breaches. The campaign has drawn some comparisons to China's 2014 hack of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, which stored the private information of nearly all government employees, including undercover agents. But experts say the SolarWinds hack is unique in its scope, potentially the largest spying operation against the U.S. in history — and it ran without being noticed for nine months.

"The issue is we don't know how big this is, and at the same time it could be the biggest ever," said Sergio Caltagirone, the vice president of threat intelligence at the cybersecurity company Dragos, which is helping industrial and manufacturing companies deal with the hacking campaign and its fallout.

Only a handful of organizations, including the cybersecurity company FireEye and three federal agencies — the departments of Commerce, Energy and Treasury — have admitted having been seriously affected. But the cybersecurity industry is aware of "a little over 200" compromises, Caltagirone said, with the number all but guaranteed to grow.

"Most organizations still lack the basic visibility to even assess whether they were compromised or not," Caltagirone said. "We know we are undercounting the victims here. We know that for a fact."

The campaign is so broad because the hackers pulled off a textbook "supply-chain attack." Instead of breaking into individual organizations, many of which have robust cybersecurity measures, the hackers — widely believed to be Russia's SVR intelligence agency, although most Trump officials have publicly pointed the finger only at Russia — breached SolarWinds, based in Austin, Texas, a company that has an enormous customer base.

Unlike some of Russia's nosier agencies, like the FSB, which is accused of poisoning Russian dissidents, or the GRU, which hacks and leaks material to disparage Russia's opponents, the SVR is known for its methodical, long-term intelligence-gathering operations.

SolarWinds provides software that helps large organizations manage their computer networks, and it is thus given automatic permission to be in those networks without raising alarms. In March, the hackers implanted malicious code into the company's regular software updates, the company and a government investigation found, creating a potential back door into any of the company's tens of thousands of customers.

While the question of who was affected is still open, SolarWinds said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that it had informed 33,000 customer organizations that they had been infected and that it could narrow the suspected number of actual victims only to under 18,000.

While SolarWinds has released an update of its software, the hackers' nine-month head start means they are likely to have built additional entry points into the networks they deemed important, said Neil Jenkins, the chief analytic officer at the Cyber Threat Alliance, a cybersecurity industry group, and a former senior cybersecurity official at the Department of Homeland Security.

"As soon as you get into a network, you're going to set up other potential back doors and ways to get in, in case the original way you got in closed," Jenkins said. "So just because you closed the SolarWinds intrusion doesn't mean you've solved the problem."

The range of victims extends beyond SolarWinds' extensive customer base. The U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, or CISA, which is leading the government's technical response to the hacking campaign, has warned that the same hackers may have infected victims by other means.

The hackers' lead time and extraordinary access mean victim organizations will have to choose between two unpleasant options: spending significant resources hunting through their computers in the hope that they can eradicate the hackers' footholds or rebuilding their networks from scratch, said Suzanne Spaulding, the former head of what is now CISA and currently the director of the Defending Democratic Institutions project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank.

"I think we'll be at least months trying to figure out the full scope and scale of this," Spaulding said. "And at least months trying to recover, trying to get the adversary out or abandon ship and rebuild securely.

"This is not an adversary that goes away when detected," she said. "They fight to maintain their persistent presence, and we'll be doing battle, I suspect, for a while."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/wh...sm_npd_nn_fb_ma


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