DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2020 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 20 Giants 6 What I saw Giants game

Saw a very composed BM who went about his business and had some muy decent throws. Thought he had a solid outing.

I was impressed with Colt's game; he did a solid job. I respect the workman there.

We had some defense last night! Still gave up a lot of ground, but clamped down on the points. So, Woods had a better night, or at least more respectable. Ward helped IMO.

We scored the ball! Loved some casual drives that devoured time.

I really appreciated the Lack of Linen. Not much in the way of flags.

I need to admit in a public confession that I have not yet managed to adjust to refs in ponytails, blonde or otherwise. Trying to get there, but not there yet.

Very good read. Can't disagree with much.

Baker said that (On the TD to Jarvis) that he saw Njoku stumble a bit, so he immediately went to Jarvis.

When I looked at the play, in the highlights, that is what happened. I didn't see it live, but Baker did.

Agree with many of these comments -

What is also worth highlighting ... Stefanski and the team did all this and executed the game plan to perfection - 6 days after a brutally emotional loss in the dying seconds of a Monday night game. I don't think anyone should overlook how many of the Browns teams in years past would have come out and been flat, shot themselves in the foot and lost a game like this.

Progress in so many areas of the team. And not to be unkind - but thank you Freddie. Not sure what influence you had on the way the first 3 drives ended - but it seemed very Freddie-esque.

That has been something that has impressed me all year. In 4 losses, 2 of them in embarrassing fashion, the Browns have always come out and played pretty well the next week. We haven't let a setback snowball into something bigger. This team is maturing into a team that can do great things.

What I saw was a team struggle against the run early but get it fixed.

An offense that everybody is gearing up to stop the run and Baker is making them pay for that.

An OL lose a back-up to the starter and have to go to a guy who hasn't taken a single snap and not miss a beat.

A secondary that looks a lot better with Ward on the field.

In general, I saw us beat a team we should beat, in non-dramatic, workmanlike fashion. Other than getting a little ticked that they were gouging us on the ground in the first half, it's about as calmly as I've sat and watched a game in a long time... and those were probably calm because we were getting trounced.

Can't say enough good thinks about Callahan and the job he has done. Can't say enough good things about how literally amazing Harris came in and played. Can't understate the impact Ward has on the secondary. . . . when we get Harrison back we'll be that much better again. If Delphit ever plays - it'll be a huge deal too assuming he's anywhere close to the player he was in college.

For many years I (we) marvelled at how teams like the Steelers would have an injury or have a lower draft pick and just plug them in and they would be pretty good and folks were in awe of their drafting.. turns out, if you have a solid, cohesive unit, that is performing at a high level, you can do that.

It was never about the drafting. It was about culture and stability and not always having to find a QB. You can develop players under those circumstances.

One area of concern for me... Parkey is becoming a bit shaky. His leg strength seems very suspect on kickoffs and FGs ... but it may be too late in the year to make a change

I don't think he is shaky or has a suspect leg.

He bounced a extra point from 48 yards that was fairly high off the cross bar. Looked like it could have been good from over 50 yards. How far out do you expect kickers to make kicks?

As for kick-offs, he can reach the touchback zone, so my thinking is the kicks that reach the 5 yard line are designed to allow a return in the hope we make the play inside the 20 or so.

Which could be the case ... and IMO, we should stop that tactic w/kickoffs. I’m sure the analytics say that most times it’ll be easier to stop them before the 25, but I still get worried with it

j/c

I saw a graphic during the game along the lines of "New York, the city that never sleeps." And then they crossed off the 'city that never sleeps" and replaced it with "the city that never scores." I chuckled.

I saw our QB playing like a Pro Bowler hitting the open man rather than looking to any one guy. It was a very nice sight to see.

I saw our defense not able to get off the field, limiting our offense's ability to score more points.

I saw our offense once again go stupid/boring after we had a lead in the 2nd half. We were MURDERING them with the passing game, why start running into a wall of defenders and let them even have a chance to get back in the game?

It's not like the days of old where you could just run 2 minutes off the clock and punt and hope to win, teams can go the whole field and score in <30 seconds now. I'm so sick of it. Our analytics based FO should know better by now.

Thank goodness they have Colt McCoy and not Danny Dimes back there. Although we even made Colt look amazing at times.

I saw Kitchens give us 9 points with boneheaded play calls. Thanks Freddie!

Colt McCoy isn't going the length of the field in 30 seconds.

I saw once again how bad Kitchens is at the helm.

One thing I noticed about Harris. On one particular play he pulled and blocked for Hunt running left. I was surprised at how fast he seemed to get to the corner. Not sure if he was faster than say, Teller, but I just noticed that he seemed to be quick for his size.

Harris is like a little bulldog. He’s SHORT but feisty and quick. He’s touted as a great ZBS center

I saw Bake throwing it around the ballyard, with confidence and accuracy.
I saw Landry have another good performance - I don’t remember if I saw a Browns pass-catcher drop one.

Noticed that we had two clock-chewing 95 yard TD drives. Have to say I spied Karl Joesph step up big on D.

Saw my Browns - make that OUR Browns - go to 10-4.

When my wife got up this morning, she asked if the Browns won and I said “yeah” like it’s now routine.

And it is becoming that.

I’m very proud of this football team. After many years of mostly darkness, we are seeing light.

You used a good word lamp: proud. I’m proud of the Browns for their improvement and attitude and demeanor all year. It’s a fun team and one that’s easy to root for

Lamar Jackson did it with his weird lame duck lob balls vs this defense, McCoy just a hair high on 2 passes. If Kitchens didn't throw away 9 points for us it would've been much closer.

If only Colt McCoy were Lamar Jackson.

Maybe someone with kicking experience can enlighten me, but are we sure Parkey's issues aren't place holder issues? I only ask because on some of the replays it looks like The Hammer is setting the ball down at some weird angles. I don't know enough to know if those are the right angles or not.

That's entirely possible.
I don't know enough about it to say whether or not this is/was the problem, but it easily could be, I'd imagine.

Granted, they get a ton of reps working on this stuff, but The Hammer is still new-ish to it, right? I mean, he punted during his 4 years at Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but how much work did he really get as the holder in college? This is only his second season, so I'd think holder mistakes are definitely still a strong possibility.

That is the basis of my thinking.

The bigger question is what's the deal with Hammer's punting issues?

He looks rather pedestrian this season. Every time he has the chance to flip the script on field position it seems to result in a 40 yard, returnable kick.

Yeah, he hasn’t been booming them. I think I’ve read that he’s got a groin or quad issue or something. He’s still adequate, but not excellent

Don't forget there could be coaching involved too. They may be asking him to punt to certain depths for coverage reasons.

How are we rated on punt coverage I wonder.

I was just about to make this exact point. Although, you'd think with a leg like his you'd have him practice booting them ridiculously high even on a short field so there is no thought of returning it.

Can we all just agree that the Browns should abandon the notion of returning punts? We get more penalties than we get return yards on average it seems. I swear we would be better off if we just said "Don't block anybody, we are either going to fair catch it or let it bounce and we'll take what we can get."

Booting it really high means the coverage is there and waiting. Getting the coverage there in time may mean the returner thinks they can get a return but gets popped and maybe fumble.

I think Stefnaski and stuff scrutinize the details, I wouldn't be surprised if this is discussed weekly. Team to team plan.

Another though is the more leg he puts into it could be less control on the punt as well, which would be natural I suppose.

All good takes. Hang time is down, "positioning" is a little off. With that said, the past few weeks he's had those opportunities to just boot one (buried in our own territory) and it hasn't happened. There's something going on because he's a different punter this year.

With (2) 95yrd scoring drives in the same game last week I'd say the analytics favor this approach.

I am no expert, but I did kick in HS, so I do have some experience kicking point tries and field goals.

No doubt the hold is important. I saw one of those holds you question. Again, maybe it was camera angle, but it sure looked like the ball was leaning towards the goal posts.

I was a straight on kicker, so no way could I have kicked that. It would have probably bounced in to the back of the snappers butt, making me look like a chump.

A sidewinder at least has a chance with a hold like that, but not a very good chance.

Maybe I saw that hold on the recent Building the Browns...not sure.