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I am too.

It wasn't to compare the players so much as comparing the position and role they play.

Even after he decided to bolt when we acquired OBJ?
Do we want a guy that does that, and why would he now want to come back??

He agreed to the contract before we traded for OBJ (as you said). After the trade he wasn’t going to have the same opportunity to play as before. I remember at the time that it was said that we agreed to let him out of his agreement and there were no hard feelings.

With all that said, I’m not sure what the point of signing Perriman is. He’s now 28 and has never been more than an average receiver.

I agree. So what if he is fast. The way some act, you'd think the guy is HOF bound.

If a receiver is that important, draft one. There are a lot of good ones this year. This year is weak for edge, draft one in the 1st round if a receiver who makes a major impact is necessary. One will be there.

Yeah, I'm not sure about letting Higgins go to sign Perriman? I don't know that he's really that much of an upgrade over Higgins, if at all? I agree with peen, if WR is that big of a deal, then draft one. However, I think D should be he focus.

IMO, signing Perriman would signal that the FO has doubts whether Beckham will be a viable deep threat after his rehab, not because they want him to replace Higgins. I see Higgins as a possession receiver; more of a backup for Landry than Beckham.

I don't see Perriman as a replacement for either of our top 2 WR's. He's fast yes. But nothing in his career indicates he is actually a #1 or #2 WR. If anything I think they may be weighing how much if any actual cost difference there would be between Higgins and Perriman and what each brings to the table for that cost.

Actually I think bringing Perriman back is more of an unsubstantiated rumor to garner clicks on the internet.

I wasn't thinking in terms of labels like WR1 or WR2, but more of the roles guys play at a given time of any game. I think the FO may think the Browns are in need of a guy to take the lid off the defense. Odell has been that type of receiver in his career, but most likely won't be next year - at least not right away. ACL's take time.

Got it. But I think they may see DPJ already filling that role with his average yards per catch.

Not to belabor the point but Perriman's speed (4.22) is significantly better than Peoples-Jones' (4.48). I like DPJ's size and speed, but I don't think he scares defenses. But they do have to account for Perriman when he's in the game. Might help keep Safeties deep, instead of in the box.

Me too.

I agree a bit of both between your and Pits assessments of DPJ, but I think DPJ's average has more to do with running his routes like he's supposed to and getting open more so than blowing the lid off with flat out speed.

If flat out speed is really all this room is missing, how hard is it to find a guy in the draft who's 6'03" plus and runs around a 4.3? Nothing against Perriman and I wouldn't be mad if we re-signed him, but I think we'd be better off drafting a guy even if he is a bit of project.

No way do I take Perriman over DPJ

Keep our WR room the way it is now:

OBJ
LANDRY
DPJ
HIGGINS
HODGE

Maybe Add a 3rd,4th Round Rookie like Amari Rodgers from Clemson

4.22?

Perriman ran a 4.35. Quite fast, but a 4.22 would be a record holder (tied with John Ross, who sux, btw.)

Unofficial 4.19 at his pro day ...

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/final-drive-is-breshad-perriman-the-nfl-s-fastest-man-18864984

that was years ago...

he is not running a 4.22 now

Sign him. He and Baker have unmatched chemistry.

j/c

I think Perriman is exactly the kind of guy we are missing. He is proven (for what he is), is not old, and won't be crazy-expensive (in an already crazy-expensive position group).

We are ready to win right now...this notion that we can just grab a WR in the draft and have that guy be be = or > Perriman on opening day would require using our 1st on that WR...and he'd STILL be a rookie WR. Browns fans should be painfully aware that drafting WRs can be tricky. We've tried the 2nd RD route (Robiskie, Massquoiuoiuo) and the mass attention route (Coleman, Payton, Higgins).

Perriman is ready right now...and just might be the poster-child for the job we are looking to fill.

I understand, but this is a very deep class at receiver. there are probably 20 players who can step in day 1 and make a big impact.

Obviously some will "bust" out, but it's a very deep class. Teams will be plucking excellent prospects in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

If we went the Perriman route, I'd imagine we would still draft a WR, especially since the class is so deep. There are probably a half dozen guys in this class, give or take a couple, with Perriman's speed.

Isn't Hodge our speedster WR?

Hodge and Beckham are our fastest, yes.

Both missed a lot of time last year which left the only WR with good speed as DPJ and his speed is more log-stride speed (he doesn't change direction as smoothly as the other two).

We those two were out we got very little separation (but Baker is use to throwing into a 14 inch window at this point.

Everybody seems to have forgotten that we got Marvin Hall in December I believe he runs a 4.28 40. Hodge runs the 40 in around 4.5 to 4.6 and OBJ I believe is more of a 4.4 to 4.5 guy.

I never heard of him.
Seems like a project if the Lions waived him, though.

Marvin Hall is an unrestricted free agent.

Didn't we pick him up with the intention of stashing him until this coming season, though? I may be remembering wrong, but I thought we picked him up injured and IR'd him pretty quickly (towards the end of the year, at that).

https://overthecap.com/player/marvin-hall/5460/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/marvin-hall-19910/

Wasn't arguing, just assuming that they picked him up with the intention of keeping him longer than 1/4 of a season.

Got it. I think he was just a high upside pickup. I doubt he’ll be back. He’ll be 28 next month so it’s not like he’s super young guy or anything.

He is a faster and cheaper version of Perriman.

And 4" shorter and was cut by the Lions in part because he has Quincy hands.

WOW, I'm shocked I'm still seeing people that don't love Hollywood.

All the dude does is MAKE PLAYS. He gets separation, he catches the ball, he makes circus catches, he makes BIG plays (he scored that TD the Chiefs, not his fault the Refs robbed him).

The guy is everything I want in my 3rd WR. Remember 2007? Then 2008 Joe Jurevicious misses the season and we stink. Everyone looks at the stars, but they forget one of the most important players on a team is that 3rd guy that can keep the chains moving to give more attempts to the other guys on 1st and 2nd down.

When you cross the line between evaluating a player and loving a player, perspective goes out the window.

Perriman has been in the league for 5 YEARS AND PLAYED FOR 5 DIFFERENT TEAMS. Next year will be year number6 and he will be with his 6th team.


Like I said faster, and cheaper.

By LOVE I mean love his play, not the guy. I could care less on a personal level about that drag racing fool :-P

J/K, I wish the best for every player in their personal life, but I'm talking on field stuff only.

Marvin Hall career stats


4 years in the nfl

3 nfl teams
37 receptions
772 yards
20.9 yard average
5 td's

Perriman
5 years in the nfl
4 teams going to his 5th this year.
125 receptions
2066 yards
14 tds

So, no matter which one we choose to overpay, we're going to Disneyland!!

Our best bet to get to Disneyland is not to over pay either one of them