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The only place I really think where we disagree is this.

White privilege are the day to day things in life I can take for granted that people of color can not. What I see you describing is discrimination. I see those as being different things. I understand where you're coming from, but to me we're discussing two different topics here.

Umm.....what?

I've said this before - and my opinion is based on some super smart professor I listened to on NPR a year or so ago ...

White Privilege to me is that you can take statistically the "same person" from any background - one Black one White - the White dude always has it better. Better job with the same qualifications and work history. Less jail time for the same offence. Better pay in the same job. Whatever angle you want to take - statistically it's a proven "thing" .... it doesn't mean a White person doesn't work hard for what they have. It means statistically that a Black person has to work harder, have higher grades .. .whatever ... to have the same as the White person. Again - this is backed up by data and statistics. The only way to suggest this isn't a real thing is to suggest Black people don't have the same desire for self betterment or don't work as hard / want it as badly as Whites ... and that's obviously nonsense.

You can see longer version that is 5 mins from @Samara_Abramson. I won't post due to some language.

I'd like to hear the internal audio of the police in this situation.

The headline on this tweet is inaccurate. The officer says, "you can disagree with it.." and trails off.

Whoa...

It’s almost like no one in this thread ever heard of Rage Against the Machine or read the 2014 report of white supremacists inside police forces...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials
Mitch Prothero Jan 7, 2021, 8:58 AM
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President Donald Trump at the White House on November 26. Erin Schaff - Pool/Getty Images
Multiple European security officials told Insider that President Donald Trump appeared to have tacit support among US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex in Wednesday's coup attempt.
Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the serious repercussions of Wednesday's events: Even if they are mistaken, some among America's international military allies are now willing to give credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and had help from some federal law-enforcement agents.
"We train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored," one source told us.
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The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.

Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.

They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.

Read more: Secret Service experts are speculating in group chats about how Trump might be hauled out of the White House if he won't budge on Inauguration Day


While they did not furnish evidence that federal agency officials facilitated the chaos, Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the scale and seriousness of Wednesday's events: America's international military and security allies are now willing to give serious credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and that some federal law-enforcement agents — by omission or otherwise — facilitated the attempt.

'Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup'
One NATO source set the stage, using terms more commonly used to describe unrest in developing countries.

"The defeated president gives a speech to a group of supporters where he tells them he was robbed of the election, denounces his own administration's members and party as traitors, and tells his supporters to storm the building where the voting is being held," the NATO intelligence official said.

"The supporters, many dressed in military attire and waving revolutionary-style flags, then storm the building where the federal law-enforcement agencies controlled by the current president do not establish a security cordon, and the protesters quickly overwhelm the last line of police.


"The president then makes a public statement to the supporters attacking the Capitol that he loves them but doesn't really tell them to stop," the official said. "Today I am briefing my government that we believe with a reasonable level of certainty that Donald Trump attempted a coup that failed when the system did not buckle.

"I can't believe this happened."

A law-enforcement official who trains with US forces believes someone interfered with the proper deployment of officers around Congress
The French police official said they believed that an investigation would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional federal law-enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capitol complex; the official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for security of the facility.

The security of Congress is entrusted to the US Capitol Police, a federal agency that answers to Congress.


It is routine for the Capitol Police to coordinate with the federal Secret Service and the Park Police and local police in Washington, DC, before large demonstrations. The National Guard, commanded by the Department of Defense, is often on standby too.

On Wednesday, however, that coordination was late or absent.

'It's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored'
"You cannot tell me I don't know what they should have done. I can fly to Washington tomorrow and do that job, just as any police official in Washington can fly to Paris and do mine," the official said. The official directs public security in a central Paris police district filled with government buildings and tourist sites.

"These are not subtle principles" for managing demonstrations, "and they transfer to every situation," the official said. "This is why we train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored."



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The National Guard, which was deployed heavily to quell the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020, did not show up to assist the police until two hours after the action started on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press.

Video shows police doing nothing as rioters access the building
One video appeared to show some police officers opening a barrier to allow a group of protesters to get closer to the Capitol dome. Another video showed a police officer allowing a rioter to take a selfie with him inside the Capitol while protesters milled around the building unchecked.

Kim Dine, who was the chief of the Capitol Police from 2012 to 2016, told The Washington Post that he was surprised that the Capitol Police allowed demonstrators on the steps of the Capitol. He said he was also mystified that few rioters were arrested on the spot.

Larry Schaefer, who worked for the Capitol Police for more than 30 years, told ProPublica something similar: "We have a planned, known demonstration that has a propensity for violence in the past and threats to carry weapons — why would you not prepare yourself as we have done in the past?"


The Capitol Police did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

Systematic failures
The French police official detailed multiple lapses they believe were systematic:

Large crowds of protesters needed to be managed far earlier by the police, who instead controlled a scene at the first demonstration Trump addressed, then ignored the crowd as it streamed toward the Capitol.
"It should have been surrounded, managed, and directed immediately, and that pressure never released."
Because the crowd was not managed and directed, the official said, the protesters were able to congregate unimpeded around the Capitol, where the next major failure took place.
"It is unthinkable there was not a strong police cordon on the outskirts of the complex. Fences and barricades are useless without strong police enforcement. This is when you start making arrests, targeting key people that appear violent, anyone who attacks an officer, anyone who breaches the barricade. You have to show that crossing the line will fail and end in arrest."
"I cannot believe the failure to establish a proper cordon was a mistake. These are very skilled police officials, but they are federal, and that means they ultimately report to the president. This needs to be investigated."
"When the crowd reached the steps of the building, the situation was over. The police are there to protect the building from terrorist attacks and crime, not a battalion of infantry. That had to be managed from hundreds of meters away unless the police were willing to completely open fire, and I can respect why they were not."
'Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system'
The third official, who works in counterintelligence for a NATO member, agreed that the situation could only be seen as a coup attempt, no matter how poorly considered and likely to fail, and said its implications might be too huge to immediately fathom.


"Thank God it didn't work, because I can't imagine how hard it would be to sanction the US financial system," the official said. By sanctions, he means the imposition of the diplomatic, military, and trade blockages that democratic nations usually reserve for dictatorships.

"The broader damage around the world will be extensive in terms of reputation, and that's why Putin doesn't mind at all that Trump lost. He's got to be happy to take his chips and count his winnings, which from the Trump era will be a shockingly quick decline in American prestige and moral high ground.

"Every moment the Americans spend on their own self-inflicted chaos helps China, it helps Putin, and, to a lesser extent, it helps the mini-dictators like [Turkish President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan and [Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor] Orban, who breathe cynicism about politics, human rights, and democracy as their air," the official said. "They won't miss Trump; they'll be glad to see his drama leave so they can enjoy the poisoned political climate."

I would not be at all surprised if this was true ... but without proof and substance I don't want to jump on board and push this narrative. I do hope we know the truth eventually. I mean - the Rudy voice mail to the wrong phone and this and the Capitol police letting some of the protesters in .... something sure stinks. But without proof it doesn't amount to much more than a bad smell.

Yeah, it all stinks to high heaven but nobody has been able to find the steaming pile of poo yet.

It's certainly hard to deny that there were certainly some members of the Capital Police that saw these people as like minded at the very least. When you actually accommodate people trying to get at the throats of members of the house and the senate, people attempting to stage a coup to overturn an election, you're siding with them over enforcing the law.

We saw everything from some of these officers laying their life on the line to fight back these rioters, to others opening doors for them, moving barricades for them and taking selfies with them. And yes, there are racists and extremists within the ranks of law enforcement.

Like yourself, I'm not going to fan the flames of a conspiracy here, but something is suspicious as hell and I hope someone gets to the bottom of it.

One thing I know for sure, all of this was planned and posted online in terms of the violence that occurred and as of now, plans for more are in the making. It's certainly logical to consider that some portion of law enforcement are among that group.

j/c

Feds say police found a pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol insurrection as wide-ranging investigation unfurls

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html

One of the Trump supporters who stormed the US Capitol was carrying 11 Molotov cocktails and an assault rifle, prosecutors say

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-su...ils-feds-2021-1

Twitter bans Trump, says plans for Jan. 17 armed protests are circulating

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/08/twitter-permanently-suspends-trumps-account.html

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'MOB AFTER MIKE' Capitol rioters appear to scream ‘HANG Mike Pence’ after Trump blamed ‘furious’ VP for not blocking Biden win

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2099460/pence-hang-angry-trump-blame-loss-capitol-riot/

The video on the link shows that's clearly what they were chanting.

Trump supporters yell ‘traitor’ to Lindsey Graham at airport

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/trump-supporters-call-lindsey-graham-traitor-456592

Fiona Hill (Trump's former NSC Directory on Russia)- on the record, saying Trump was trying to use the Military in the Coup attempt:



Also, this video of a police officer being crushed by a mob (graphic):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVZvp-Dv0gg

I don't think people were trying to get at peoples throats.

It does look staged.

Put a trump name on this and his supporters would drink it.

YOU are off the rails bro. lol

j/c

Man who drove into crowd of Iowa City racial justice protesters avoids prison

IOWA CITY — A white man who deliberately sped his car through a crowd of racial injustice protesters in Iowa City, striking several, will avoid prison and have the incident erased from his record if he stays out of trouble for three years.

A judge last month granted a deferred judgment for Michael Ray Stepanek, 45, who told police he drove his Toyota Camry through the crowd in August because the protesters needed “an attitude adjustment.”

The sentence means a felony charge of willful injury resulting in bodily injury against Stepanek will be dismissed and expunged, as long as he does not commit a crime during a three-year term of probation. Judge Paul Miller also suspended a $1,025 civil fine.

Offenders who commit “forcible felonies” are not eligible for deferred judgments, but the charge to which Stepanek pleaded is not considered one under Iowa law. He also was eligible for the break because he did not have a criminal history.

One of the protesters he hit said Friday that she advocated for no prison sentence, but that she wasn’t aware the case might disappear from the public record.

“I think it’s dangerous to have this kind of case occur and just wipe it away,” said University of Iowa student Eva Sileo. She said it was frustrating to see protesters face harsh charges in other cases while Stepanek gets leniency.

Stepanek’s attorney John Bruzek said his client was influenced by social media and political rhetoric characterizing the protesters as dangerous criminals. Stepanek initially believed he was legally justified but has come to see he was wrong and apologized, Bruzek said.

The Johnson County Attorney’s Office, which agreed to Stepanek’s plea deal, still is pursuing charges against some Black Lives Matter protesters involved in the demonstrations last summer.

Prosecutors have filed 15 counts, including nine felonies, against a protest leader charged with shining a laser beam light in police officers’ eyes in August.

A 20-year-old Black protester who carried an assault rifle through an Iowa City crowd in June has been indicted on a federal charge of illegally possessing a gun while using marijuana. The man, who faces up to 10 years in prison, had already been prosecuted by Johnson County on related charges after the gun was found during a traffic stop following the protest.

Stepanek’s violence came during a downtown Iowa City protest organized by the Iowa Freedom Riders, whose members have been pushing for changes to policing for months. Police fired tear gas on them in June, outraging city leaders.

Police say Stepanek became enraged when he was stopped behind other vehicles after protesters blocked an intersection. He honked his horn then made a U-turn, squealing his tires to turn around.

Then, he shut off his lights, drove around the block, and turned onto a downtown street where there were no vehicles between him and the protesters, police say. Video shows his car striking multiple protesters, dragging one on his hood, before speeding off.

Sileo, 21, recalled pushing others out of the way of the vehicle before ending up on its hood. She said her leg was hurt and the man who was dragged smashed his head on concrete.

“I don’t know how he lived,” she said.

In a victim impact statement to the court, she said the incident opened her eyes to hatred in the community.

“It was extremely jarring to have some stranger take it upon himself to punish a group of young unarmed people for inconvenience and/or political dissidence,” she wrote.

A police officer on the scene saw Stepanek speeding away and noted his license plate but did not pursue him, citing traffic congestion. The officer said he did not see him plow through the crowd.

The Iowa City Police Department announced an investigation the next day, after video of the incident spread on social media and protesters accused police of failing to respond.

The department asked those who were struck to come forward, but only Sileo did. Stepanek was arrested and spent 76 days in jail.

https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/...prison-20210108

And just us for some.

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Do you want to see the complete disparity in justice here? How people of different colors are treated differently? Look no further than how Raphael Warnock, Georgia's latest elected senator was treated in the Capital rotunda.

Rev. Raphael Warnock once arrested at US Capitol for praying

The pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church and now US senator was once detained while peacefully protesting Trump budget cuts

Black people have been harassed, detained, arrested, and even murdered for various seemingly innocuous activities, from birdwatching to running to owning an iPhone.

But in 2017, Rev. Raphael Warnock, who was just elected to the U.S. Senate in Georgia in a hotly contested election that determined the balance of the governing body, was arrested for … praying.

While Americans saw an out-of-control mob swarm the Capitol complex with little interference, resulting in one of the most horrific breaches of the House and Senate chambers since the 1800s, very few of the admitted participants were arrested.

In footage that went viral on social media, demonstrators were seen taking selfies with Capitol police, swarming past barriers opened by police, and escorting protesters away from the very buildings they illegally entered.

Yet in 2017, Warnock, the pastor of Atlanta’s famed Ebenezer Baptist Church, was among a group of peaceful protesters from the clergy who traveled to Washington, D.C. to oppose budget cuts proffered by President Donald Trump and the looming potential of a repeal of Obamacare.

According to OCGNews, Warnock was arrested and later released after he and the others were singing and praying on the U.S. Capitol’s grounds on July 18. The delegation, including Pastor Cynthia L. Hale of Ray of Hope Christian Church in Decatur, Georgia, was arrested in the rotunda in the Russell Senate Office Building in the sprawling complex.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/rev-raphael-warnock-once-arrested-233700158.html

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The Trump mob attack on the Capital now has a higher death count than Benghazi.

The Pentagon blocked the DC National Guard from receiving riot gear or interacting with protesters without explicit approval from Trump's defense secretary
Tyler Sonnemaker Jan 8, 2021, 12:48 AM


The Pentagon placed major restrictions on the DC National Guard leading up to Wednesday's insurrection, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

Officials curtailed the ability of DC guardsmen to deploy troops, receive ammo and riot gear, engage with protesters, share equipment with local police, and use surveillance without explicit approval from President Trump's acting defense secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.

Guardsmen didn't arrive to support US Capitol Police — who were ill-prepared and quickly overrun — until more than two hours after its chief called for them, according to the Post.

The muted approach was said to be intended to avoid backlash that followed an aggressive response to Black Lives Matter protests over the summer, but the response has drawn sharp criticism from Democratic lawmakers, activists, and even some law-enforcement experts for being insufficient.

In the days before Trump supporters' insurrection, the Department of Defense placed major limitations on the tactics, equipment, and resources the DC National Guard could make use of in dealing with rioters, The Washington Post reported Thursday.

Pentagon officials sent memos on January 4 and 5 barring DC guardsmen from receiving ammo and riot gear, engaging with protesters (except for self-defense), sharing equipment with local police, and using surveillance or air assets without explicit approval from President Donald Trump's acting Defense Secretary, Christopher Miller, according to The Post.

The additional bureaucratic hurdle delayed the DC National Guard's response after US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund asked on Wednesday for 200 guardsmen to provide backup — with guardsmen not arriving until 2 1/2 hours later — according to The Post.

Five deaths, including one law-enforcement officer, in connection with Wednesday's violence have been confirmed.

The Capitol Police, who had planned only for peaceful protests — despite numerous indicators suggesting protesters may turn violent — were massively vastly outnumbered by the rioters and quickly overrun.

It's not clear how many officers were on duty Wednesday, but the Capitol Police has a total of 2,300 officers and civilian employees who patrol 16 acres of land and protect the 535 members of Congress and their staff. By comparison, Minneapolis has about 840 uniformed officers who police 425,000 residents across a 6,000-acre area, according to The Associated Press.

DC guardsmen were not initially deployed to the US Capitol in large numbers, in part because city and Pentagon officials wanted to avoid the backlash that followed Trump's aggressive use of federal law enforcement to attack peaceful protesters demonstrating against the killing of George Floyd, according to The Post.

The Capitol Police rejected multiple offers for help from federal law enforcement ahead of Wednesday's events, and, according to The Post, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser had requested only 340 guardsmen, mostly to monitor traffic and public transit.

But DC guard troops answer to state governors, and since DC is not a state, Bowser had to request additional support on Wednesday from the Pentagon, which answers to Trump — a task that proved difficult and slow-moving.

Bowser and her staff, as well as lawmakers trapped in the Capitol, called on the governors of neighboring Maryland and Virginia, who themselves were initially ignored by the Pentagon when they asked military leaders to deploy additional guardsmen.

Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, who effectively commands the DC guard, said at a press conference Thursday that 6,200 guardsmen would be deployed by the weekend and that a "non-scalable" 7-foot fence would be set up around the Capitol. He added military officials had planned for Wednesday assuming it would be like other recent protests and that not in their "wildest imagination" did they expect rioters to breach the Capitol.

But decisions by law enforcement —the Capitol Police as well as local and federal agencies — not to prepare for riots have drawn sharp criticism. Former Metropolitan Police Chief Charles Ramsey slammed the police response, telling CNN that "they need to be locking them up without question," in regard to rioters inside the Capitol.

The Capitol Police "were not prepared for today," Democratic Rep. Val Demings told The Baltimore Sun, adding: "I certainly thought that we would have had a stronger show of force."

Activists also pointed to the disparity between law enforcement's relatively passive response to violent protesters Wednesday and the mass arrests and aggression used against largely peaceful anti-racism protests.


Sund, the Capitol Police chief, and another high-ranking Capitol security officer have already announced their plans to resign, and more are expected to go.



https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon...t-report-2021-1

That helps explain a lot.

j/c...



Turns out this guy is (was) a bartender in Nashville.

So if the rioters are really antifa, as some say and trump said the rioters are special and he loves them, does trump love antifa? Or can you have it both ways in a trump world?

Cult of Trump's finest.

In trump world they can have it both ways

They need to go into phone records and emails of these people to see if any calls go to trump people. They need to confiscate their computers for counter terrorism concerns.

Im more concerned with why capital police would open the door and invite them in.

They need to have a subpoena to do that. But now that they have been identified, that should be easy to get.

Some of those that work forces...

Look into FBI studies about white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement offices.

Article on a study from 2006 about white supremacist law enforcement infiltration.

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Apple pulls the plug on Parler

Apple said Saturday it has suspended Parler, a social media app that's become popular among conservatives and far-right extremists, from its App Store over issues concerning threats of violence and illegal activity on its platform.

What they're saying: "Parler has not taken adequate measures to address the proliferation of these threats to people’s safety," Apple spokesperson Fred Sainz told Axios in an email.

Details: Apple had warned Parler on Friday that the social network had a day to present a plan to better moderate harmful content or else it would be removed from the App Store. Parler will be able to return to the App Store if it comes up with such a plan, Apple said.

Yes, but: That's unlikely to happen. Parler's whole pitch to users is that it promotes free speech and won't crack down on politically objectionable content.

Our thought bubble: Apple’s move follows Google Play suspending Parler without any grace period, so as the app gatekeepers flex substantial power, they’re also keeping an eye on what one another are doing.

Between the lines: Despite being spiked from both major mobile app stores, Parler remains accessible on any mobile or desktop device via its website.

Nevertheless, some critics are pressing Amazon, whose AWS unit hosts the Parler platform, to pull support, which would take the network offline until it could find other hosting.

Worth noting: Parler was the No. 1 app in Apple's App Store this weekend prior to the tech giant suspending the service.

https://www.axios.com/apple-suspends-par..._campaign=onhrs

I just saw that Google also pulled Parlor from its app store.

Why does apple get to decide what is free speech and what is not? Why does apple get to decide?

Seems like apple doesn't like people being able to speak their mind? Gotta shut down opposing opinions?

I don't know.

PSA:

The "Right to free Speech" means the government can't arrest you for what you say.

It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your BS, or host you while you share it.

The 1st amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences.

If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated.

It's just that the people listening think you are an ass, and they are showing you the door.

Taken from a spot on meme and cleaned up the language a little. Excellent message.

BTW- it also doesn't protect you from prosecution for inciting violence, sedition, or insurrection. Just a few of the crimes not protected under your American Freedoms. The trumpian right is the new political leper and is sitting in the crosshairs of American cancel culture. The things y'all say and do online ARE coming back to haunt you. I for one am relishing your Trumpian tears. USA, USA, USA!

So I remember Eve telling us QAnon was nothing.

Care to rescind that comment, Eve?

My Trumpian tears? What are you talking about. I have none.

The rest of your gibberish is probably right. Somehow, facebook is allowed to disallow whatever they want.

Oh, and thanks for the comment about thinking I'm an ass.


I would love to hear your outrage when facebook disallows your posts. That would be special. Careful what you wish for. Everything comes full circle.

I didn't write it arch, I just shared it and removed a banned word. I didn't direct the ass part at you, it was part of the meme. But I do like the trumpian tears, so keep 'em coming!

I'm more concerned with how the political left has become a creepy crazy cult, which demands everyone join or else.

I’m convinced 40 was your alt.