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The Browns are rolling right now.............

I would not want to play them if I were the Chiefs.

They toyed with Pittsburg like a cat taunting a half dead mouse they could have put up far more points then they did.

If the Chief aren't at the very top of their game they will get steam rolled.

I doubt there will be any steamrolling this week on either side, but I do think we can compete with them. I also think this will be our toughest game to date, but about the same as the Ravens. IMHO we have a 50-50 chance at best. but anything can happen on gameday, anything.

Obviously a lot of this has to do with how teams defend KC ... they dare them to try and control the ball and dink and dunk down the field ... whereas teams treat us the opposite.

Keeping Mahomes inside the hashes also is a key component to this

I just watched three of their games they are either playing cat and mouse or they aren't as tough as people think. That is MO by the way we for sure will see on Sunday, but the Browns are more then capable of handling the Chiefs, the key for them on offense is Kelce stop PM's safety blanket and you will slow them down. Make PM look elsewhere. Hill is unbelievably fast and of concern but from what I saw Kelce is the key. I take him away if at all possible. I put Phillip's and Harrison on him and roll coverages from the inside try to bring coverage from the opposite side Kelce is moving to and get PM in a situation where he doesn't see the coverages rolling in on Kelce.

Again it's about the Brown's conceding yardage while making then have to dink and dunk their way down the field tackling and looking for the turnover will be key. We don't have the horses to hang with them on defense but what we can do is take some gambles and look for the big play.

JMHO

Like we just did with Pittsburgh, this will all start up front with us committing to being the bully and dominating the LoS on both sides.

If we allow any part of our lines to get pushed around, we will suffer for it.

With Kelce and Hill, we need to be physical right at the snap - jam them HARD, push them backwards on EVERY snap, even if that means one guy plays up to jam then passes them off to someone else. Disrupt the timing, get them frustrated. Make them earn every step in those first five yards of movement.

See, I could see playing them physical off the line as working better vs Pitt, as their offense is more quick-pass and therefore timing-based (and they ended up playing super-duper prevent-type D, so shows what I know).

KC and Mahommes seem to prefer the longer pass plays where it's less about timing and more about both QB and receivers improvising and making a positive play out of chaos (a better version, perhaps, of what Pitt used to do with a younger Big Ben?).

It's more about being the bully. Beat them up, make them work for everything, and disrupt the first few seconds in the hopes the pass rush can make something happen... either a sack or a hurry. If we can play them physical like that and keep Mahommes in the pocket without bringing blitzes, I think that gives us an advantage.

If they're getting off the line and into their routes with ease, they're just going with the flow; you're not forcing them to react, you're the one reacting. The more you force all of them to react, the less likely they all react the same and we see them make mistakes.... receiver goes one way where QB expected them to go another, but receiver went that way because of how he was getting jammed, etc.... plus, if you can get them to overwork a Hammy, that's not a bad thing at all.

Agree here - physicality is so important. The Baldy Breakdown on the OL play vs Pit showed a lot of that. Even Njoku and others chipping in and setting the tone with legal physicality. Hope we see more of it.

One thing I'm worried about is the amount of time Reid has had to scheme up some misdirection plays. Our defense has had some pretty bad discipline throughout the course of the season, in terms of sticking with assignments and "doing your job." The second Ravens game is a good example.

In my limited view of Chiefs games this season, I have been very impressed with a lot of the misdirection plays that Reid has dialed up. I hope that our guys maintain their integrity if/when those plays happen against us.

Yeah and he has even longer to prepare! ... they’re always so creative and versatile in the red zone especially ... and w/the screen game

He has had an extra week to prepare, but the possibilities are that they could have faced us, the Titans, the Colts, or the Ravens, depending on who won. It's no like they could take that extra week and just prepare for us.

Yeah for sure .. he probably actually thought we were the last team they’d play

He's had three years to scheme up more of those. He might add a wrinkle here or there, but I wouldn't expect some new shocker of a design. They are what has been working for them all season long, and for the past two to three years.

This is going to be a challenge. Soft zone won't get it done. Hope we press more.

Soft zone will get us killed.
I think I agree with the umbrella scheme idea, but we need a big game from our DLine.

I hope Joe Woods is working overtime to see what sorts of things they're susceptible to when it comes to giving up pressures and sacks. Is it pure size, is it stunts, is it techniques, it is nothing more than matchups? Can we take advantage of Schwartz being out? Who is his backup?


On offense... I've seen where they can really get pressure, but at the same time, they're a group of no-names to me. Other than Honey Badger, I don't recognize a single name on their roster. Does anyone know anything about them? How are their CBs and Safeties? How do we stack up?

Vegas opened at Chiefs -10.......

.......still hanging at Chiefs -10.

I really think Cleveland can dictate a great deal of this game in terms of tone and pace. I don't see anyone truly bottling up this offense and KC D isn't Pittsburg and we made them look weak.

The defense has to be aggressive and try to create turnovers it will likely be a long afternoon for them.

I try like hell to take Kelce away and I take risks with everything else really pressure their offense and tackling needs to be on point.

I thought about this game long and hard and I watched KC they can be beat and we actually matchup really well with them. Nothing is guaranteed but I really like our chances.

I say we just keep running the damn ball. Hunt and Chubb running behind the Union?

No problemo.

Play action with Bake - he’s been very dangerous since late October - and control the clock. The Chiefs will get some points of course, but their run D sucks, so smash em in the face. No one wants to say it out loud - and I understand that - but we might be going to the Super Bowl.
I’m tired of worrying about jinxes... we are good to go.

We have that kind of team. Beat KC, we’re going to Tampa.

j/c...

Watching the KC vs Baltimore game ... Tedric Thompson actually made a few plays. I thought he didn’t even exist haha

I love this guy. I think he is really, really good.

Yeah, it's the wrinkles I'm worried about.

FYI, on the Patriots' scheme:

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/lists/...atrick-mahomes/

So based on that, we’d look something like:

DL: Garrett - Ogunjobi - Richardson - Clayborn

LB: Joseph - Goodson

CB: Ward - Mitchell - Johnson

S: Sendejo - Harrison

and what do we say to the God of Death?

Not Today...

Kelce and Hill are both in the top 5 in the NFL in catches over 20 yards. Kelce has over 1400 yards (11 TDs) and Hill has over 1200 (15 TDs).. beyond that there is a gigantic drop off to the next best target. I don't know how you focus on one deep threat and one TE at the same time, while trying to stop the run.. but that's the challenge and that's why so few team are able to do it. You need high quality players at every level of the defense..

It is definitely a tall order. I don't think you can ever completely take away either of them. I think the best you can hope for is to take away at least one on each play, and maybe get lucky and take away both at the same time once or twice a series.

In the end, it will all begin and end with our DLine. If they don't get it done, then we're done.

Adam Teicher
@adamteicher
Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Sammy Watkins and Willie Gay did not practice today. Watkins and Gay will be listed as out for Sunday's game but the Chiefs aren't going there with CEH yet. Possible he could play.

The best chance we have is if we can run the ball down their throats just like some mediocre Steelers teams did it to the powerful 49er's in a couple of games in the "80's. That was true then and is true now. Being able to run the ball consistently against a strong opponent is a big key in a game like this. There are other factors too but I think this is the biggest. JMO

We aren't going there to kiss their rings or their Lombardi we are going their to take their Lombardi.

Is it going to be easy? Hell no and that's why it's so much fun. The Chiefs and the Browns are going to take their best shots and I believe when this is over we will hand them their asses.

The Browns just need to be the Browns that will do just fine. I hate making prediction but I love our chances.