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Jc

It’s so pathetic - and unsurprising - that we got guys upset that Biden wants to raise the minimum wage to 15/h despite the undeniable fact that the federal minimum SHOULD be around 22/h.

I mean damn; lord forbid we actually pay people a decent wage.

Just reading through this thread makes me so glad I don’t know or hang out with most of y’all in real life. Because knowing how much y’all despise and look down on people who just didn’t get dealt a good hand in life would make hate myself looking in the mirror if I called y’all friends.

For crying out loud, these corporations and large companies have made it clear as day that they would love nothing more than to FIRE you and give your job to somebody overseas, and you STILL bend over backwards for them.

And we got guys on here talking about restaurants? You mean the same restaurants that practice what’s basically indentured servitude in this country? The tipping culture in this country is a freaking joke, and borderline criminal. Oh yea, that’s right. This is one of what? A handful of countries that even has a tipping culture to begin with.

But that’s conservative Americans for you. Support illogical practices under the guise of pro growth policies that doesn’t make any sense. Ya know, like supporting policies that cut rich people and corporate taxes in HOPES that they’ll be kind enough to share their table scraps with the commoners.

Y’all will get on y’all knees for the same people who can’t wait to screw you over if given the chance. And that’s why I can’t and will never understand American conservatives: because I simply don’t know what it’s like to constantly vote and support my own demise.

These entities openly brag about wanting to screw you over, and yet all y’all do is beg for more.

Yea, imma stay away from that. Cause that sounds worse than catching COVID.

And oh yea,

I hope all you conservatives practice what you preach and write those socialist stimulus checks back to the IRS.

Because if you didn’t, you have nothing of value to say to me.

Really? Where have you been? We all said goodbye to our restaurants when the trump virus hit us and we actually learned how to cook for ourselves. Are you saying mom and pop can’t cook and can’t do their own food prep work? Are you saying they need others to do the hard work for them and shouldn’t be required to pay a decent wage for those who do their work? And just so we all know, most restaurants pay $13-15 a hour for full time line cooks already in most areas. Even the mom and pops, except for the greedy ones. Part time employees and part time waitresses don’t even qualify for minimum wages. Most make their lions share of money on tips.

They need to phase this in over 4 to 6 years, not drop it in all at once. Right now, there are a lot of businesses that need to get the chance to get their feet back under them and have things stabilize a little. The economy actually needs the wage increase because it needs the inflation, but too much inflation all at once would be a bad thing in my opinion.

I thought the plan was $15 now and over the next 5 years raise to $25 hr... Nah, that would make too much sense for the working class...

Why not raise it to $2500 an hour? Then we can all buy yachts.

You've lost your mind. The radical left is crazy. You're going to cause the Dems to be voted out of office in a few years.

Boo Hoo... Here is something else to cry over.

What does his stank ass have to do with anything? He became irrelevant in 2020.

That is interesting, what exactly is the working class? What does that mean?

I know what I think it means. I want to know what others think it means.

As I have said several times, I am not against people making money. Good money. I just don't think minimum wage is a good method. History shows that inflation eats it up over a fairly short period of time.

Typically these raises phase in over 3-4 years. There are a few reasons why it is usually done this way, one of them being to ease the inflation hit.

One poster said it would be a big hit on restaurants, which it would because restaurants work on very thin margins. One reply of note was about how people aren't so stupid they can't learn how to cook and other nonsense. That isn't useful if a serious discussion is the goal.

I also think we need to discuss which jobs would be at new minimums and which might not. I don't think it is realistic to pay a 16 year old high school kid, working 20 hours a week a "living" wage. I don't think it is necessary. I feel that requiring business to pay teens that type of starting pay would limit the number of jobs available to teens, who need those jobs as part of the growing up experience. Having a job has responsibility...like showing up when scheduled and planning ahead to work with the employer to get time off for planned events. A very valuable experience for a teen as they are preparing to embark on their life journey.

At $25 per hour I would have to say "What working class" as most people would be unemployed, and many peoples parents and grandparents would become this countries largest homeless group.

and while we are at it. Why in the hell isn't anybody sticking up for the people who have worked 40 or 50 years (sometimes at or close to minimum wage) and have retired? or for those who are on SSDI due to no fault of their own. Why is it I have never heard anybody on these boards yelling to double or triple all of their social security payments? Hey they are not making a livable wage. They can't survive on what they are being paid.

Many people's mentality these days, hey young people need our help, they deserve to have everything the want it and they want it now so we have to give it to them. Now old folks you know those who struggled and worked hard for more years than the youngins have been alive, well they just need to shut up, stay out of site and die ASAP. They turn into Scrooges. You know "Better that they should just die and decrease the surplus population.

OK grumpy old man rant is done for now

I’m loving the conservative tears here.

While I agree in some ways, to be consistent in my views, just as minimum wage was never supposed to be a living wage, SS was never meant to be a persons sole means of support in old age.

I do agree that COLAS don't come near to covering adjusted expenses.

The problem with SS is the way it has been managed from the beginning. It has never been in control of the payee.

Had the money you and your employer you paid in to the system for 45 years, you would have a hell of a lot more money available then the monthly check.

No doubt there needs to be oversight...like you have to pay in to the program and can't touch it for any reason until retirement age...I mean any reason...and there would have to be controls over the type of funds and management of those funds to safeguard those savings, but as it is, it is just a government run Ponzi scheme. There isn't some big superfund being run by social security.

People should get quarterly statements on how their money is preforming just as if they were contributing to a IRA or some brokerage fund directly.

It worked great when us boomers were young and paying for our parents social security payments. It's not so good now that us boomers are collecting and there aren't as many people paying in to the scheme.

Being the minimum wage thread, that could be one of the reasons to raise the minimum. That will raise the amount of money collected to help make SS payments due.

GOOD.

jk

I somehow knew there would be a group on here meltdown after I said that. lmao, people who are always worried what somebody else will somehow cost them... Imagine jobs that pay living wages for those who serve us fast food, sweep floors, stock shelves, or run a register... BUT those people don't deserve to live good like somebody that works in middle management or has a little money saved... smh

Your success does not have to be at the expense of others GOPers. You can still make good money while others make enough to live on without aid. What you will really be doing in supporting living wages is killing socialism for corporations like Walmart who live off the government teat by paying poverty wages and letting you pick up the tab... Of course I would never expect y'all to support that.

It didn’t help SS funds much when the GOP borrowed from SS to help pay for two wars and got thousands of our troops killed in the Middle East.

I’m not trying to be morbid here but there are 400,000+ American’s that will never collect a SS check again or pay into the system due to covid.

j/c

What has become painfully obvious here is what happens when people make what really is good money as they get older. They get stuck believing that when they hear "$15 an hour" it is "good money".

That would have been true 20 years ago. At least pretty good money. But now they don't have any clue what living on $15 an hour would mean.

And according to Ytown, there must not be any restaurants in places like Europe. People in places like Belgium and Sweden must not have small businesses.

It's an odd thing about America. While most developed nations of the world find ways not to have poverty level wages, America keeps making excuses why they can't do the same thing. They make excuses why we should have a large portion of our own people working every day while living in poverty to serve them and business.

Automation is on its way to many fast food restaurants. In the local McDonalds and Tack Bell nearest to my home, they have touch screen ordering terminals. (they accept cash or credit cards) Before long, automatic drive thru ordering systems, along with other automation, will dramatically eliminate the jobs that so many need to live on, or for entry into the job market.

Walmart raised their wages, and eliminated jobs. I rarely see more then 3-4 human registers open ... even when swamped. Go to the self-check, or wait. Jobs/hours gone for people who depended on them.

You do not increase costs in a restaurant or in retail enterprise, without off-sets somewhere. You either raise prices, or you employ fewer people ... or else you wind up closing. Again, you wind up doing this to the businesses that employ a lot of kids while still in school, and people who simply cannot handle other jobs for whatever reason. You wind up hurting the people you profess wanting to help.

Republicans would turn 99% of the US into a third world ghetto if they could.

Of course they will raise their prices. And thank you for pointing out that business has been eliminating jobs even when people were making next to nothing. Actually everything from fast food to highly paid jobs have been being eliminated by business through automation. Millions have been replaced already and tens of millions will be replaced in the future.

But as you pointed out, that's already happening so it wasn't wages that created this situation and it won't be wages that will continue the trend. Taco bell made those plans of automation without an increase in wages. The same with Burger King. So don't you find it a little silly to now be claiming that it's the fault of an increase in minimum wage that would be driving such a trend?

What you have done here is show that it's actually the businesses who are cutting jobs and replacing people with machines.

You know as well as I do that a business has to serve its customers. Walmart was cutting jobs before it increased its wages. It was and is happening everywhere in the service industry. If they could do as much or more with less people, they would already be doing it. Unless you think that businesses are just hiring people and giving out hours that they don't need? How much did wages increase when grocery stores started changing over to self checkouts? See, it wasn't and won't be wages that impact this.

You were a manager in fast food at one time. Were you not adjusting your schedule based on how busy you were at different times and days of the week? Did you schedule people to work at times and on days you didn't need them? Or was your job to build an efficient schedule to make sure you had only the people working at the times you needed them?

I would think your own work experience would cause you to realize that businesses are not nor have ever been ran like a charity. Businesses have always been managed to run based on maximizing profits and to be efficient with labor costs.

Let me explain an aspect of this you seem to be ignoring or not considering here. When more people have more money, they buy more things. they inject more money into the economy. As such demand for goods and services increases. That's how people much as yourself have explained that our economy works for decades now. Supply and demand.

If more people buy more things, jobs will be created to supply the demand for those things. Not the other way around.

GC.

Free thinking individuals should be tired of being told who to admire in this country.

I say this after the local news, in Ohio, has a story about the youngest politician ...

and after turning it off, because nonsense

The other channel of local news, (local?) Yes, LOCAL news has a same story about
the youngest politician in the usa, and somewhere in Kentucky the person is.

Now I have got to say, these overlord overseers, sure have their stuff together about telling people

what to think, and
who to admire.

and Droaning it continually.

Alexy Malgaveny - or what's his name, got arrested yesterday landing in Russia, for having the wrong politics.

The problem is America tends to be heading in that direction,
not away from it.

Actually, the automation really started as higher minimums went into effect. It will increase as labor costs increase, and become un-affordable by comparison.

I would also add this, at the last restaurant I managed, when I had to retire, I had some long term, high quality employees making $3-$4 over minimum wage. They were almost at shift manager level as an hourly rate.

As far as how I scheduled, there was a formula based on an average hourly rate, in addition to how many hourly and salaried managers were in the store, and actual overall sales. We had hourly as well as expected weekly sales charts to use. Yes, we had to best allocate labor. Now, as an example of how things have changed, when I was there, we had to have a manager in charge, available to move throughout the store and dining room, to check the condition of things, look for any problems, and touch tables, talking to customers. Now that manager has to work a position in the store. (and yes, their dining room is open, and has to be regularly and completely cleaned due to CO-VID) They now go with 4 total employees at the slower times.

We were required to have a minimum number of employees on at all times the dining room was open. We had to have a drive thru register operator, front counter register operator, grill person, sandwich maker, and drive thru expediter. The guides have changed, and fewer and fewer employees are allocated per dollar of sales.

I would also add that Wendy's (the main company, not necessarily franchises) are looking at drive thru only format stores now. It would not surprise me to see other companies follow suit.

As far as I can say about WalMart. my mom was a greeter until she hit 80. (she retired on her 80th birthday) They were already laying people off at that time, and that was before they went to $11, but after Ohio increased its minimum wage.

Finally, and you can believe it or not, most restaurants are not printing presses for money. Most run on fairly short profit margins. That said, they are not charitable institutions. Most will be in real trouble if their profits are chopped in half.

We'll see what happens if they do raise the minimum wage. We already had an economy that was starving for people to work in jobs paying well above minimum wage. The minimum wage should be for entry level,unskilled work. The rate should reflect just what the work entails.

People like YTown won’t be happy until Americans are paid like sweat shop workers in Bangladesh.

And even then, that’s might be too much for his for corporate slave masters.

Salty swish is best swish.

So just so we're clear here, when the minimum wage went up in Ohio, that explains how it was not just Ohio, but Wendy's nationwide that made these decisions? Because I think you must agree that all of these decisions are made at the corporate level and impact all of their operations on a national level, not "just Ohio".

And you certainly seem to agree with my premise that the amount of employees and hours allocated, other than a minimum standard, which is exactly what you mentioned, are determined according to what you need in order to justify the business you are doing during those hours. And let's be clear here. Ohio's minimum wage in 1980 was $2.30 an hour. That minimum wage was not increased until 1990. There was no increase in the minimum wage in Ohio at any point during the 1980's.

And you seemed to skip the point that when more people make more money, more people have money to spend. That creates a higher demand. A higher demand means more products need to be created. To create more products you must increase jobs.

Did you ever stop to think about this YTown? Businesses said they moved jobs overseas because they couldn't afford American labor. Let me give you a dose of my experience. There were certain brands I was very loyal to due to their quality and being American made. Levi, Carhardt and Redwing boots.

In every case these brands slowly moved their production overseas. For exactly the claim I mentioned. "American labor was too high". Now according to that claim one would think since they made huge cuts in their production costs due to labor savings, that would help the cost to the consumer go down, right? Guess what. It didn't. They charged just as much for their products. All they did was increase their profits by hurting American labor.

Did you ever stop to think about this? Every time fuel makes a sharp increase, suddenly your grocer and other businesses say they must increase costs to offset those skyrocketing fuel costs. Sounds like that makes sense doesn't it? But did you ever notice how once fuel costs go back down to where they were before and level off, they never reduce their prices to what they were before the cost of fuel rose? Now that money just goes into their pockets.

Maybe you need to stop and think about those things before you blame workers trying to make a living in this country and instead of businesses who just keep stabbing consumers and workers in the back.

Bro this ticks me off to no end.

We got dudes acting like the cost of living hasn’t been going up.

The cost of living has continue to skyrocket since before I was born, yet we got dudes trying to use their dead relatives as a meaningful unit of measure when it comes to hourly wages.

Retires can’t even rely on their SS because the COLA adjustments for years hasn’t matched the cost of living increases.

But nah, screw them. Screw people who work hourly. I guarantee YTOWN had no problem driving his ass through a drive thru for fast food and other crap all throughout 2020, but then same people he demand work and feed him somehow don’t deserve a decent wage.

Dude over here arguing in favor of restaurants like the majority of these restaurants ever gave a single crap about servers, a job with one of the highest turnover rates in this country. Out here acting like these restaurants owners don’t find ways to legally steal from their servers in order to pay other employees so they minimize expenses.

I mean think about how freaking stupid tipping culture is. A server can literally bust their ass for a table, and yet the moment the food comes out and the customers don’t like it, or god forbid they get a group of Karen’s at the table, the server gets screwed out of tip money, despite the FACT that the cook STILL gets their full hourly salary.

Servers literally get screwed out of income that ain’t even their fault. “Yea you didn’t like the food and I didn’t get your drink to you .7 seconds faster than you like, so don’t bother tipping me.”

It’s such a damn joke.

This pandemic has highlighted how freaking greedy people truly are. I am salty, cause I’m surrounded by a bunch of people who claim to follow Jesus but act like Judas every chance they get.

Make sure you pay that tithe though. Don’t matter how little you look down on others. As long as you praise the lord and pay the church, you’re guaranteed a roster spot in heaven like a first round draft pick.

So sick of these greedy ass people who got the nerve to preach to others about character.

There’s atleast 74 million of those in this country. Yea, I’m salty I’m surrounded by snakes.

I mean good god we got dudes who look down on others who handle their food.

Let them act like that toward their mom/grandma and I guarantee they getting smacked up side the head with the frying pan.

But it’s cool to treat others like that. Yea, you don’t deserve 15/h decent wage, but make sure my food comes out correctly.

That’s like looking down on your mechanic while expecting him to fix your car properly. That’s like disrespecting your wife then expecting her not to smash her Pilates instructor while you’re at work.

Some of y’all display the lowest character imaginable yet got the auditory to act wonder why your religion/ideology is shrinking.

You wanna know why young people are looking toward socialist policies more and more? Look in the mirror, conservatives. Y’all expect others to uphold some standard you won’t even meet yourselves.

I mean hell, the vast majority of conservatives in GA voted for a dude who opening BRAGGED about outsourcing jobs overseas, and openly BRAGGED about having no intention to stop.

Y’all literally got the nerve to claim you’re pro America and america first policies, then turn around and vote for a guy who openly spits in y’all face.

Yea, you can’t reason with that level of stupidity. It just isn’t happening.

You dont even have a job, so your opinion doesnt even really count.

Youre like people who dont vote who think their opinions about politics mean something.

And yet still pay taxes.

Not my fault you out here spreading covid like STDs and voted for a guy who screws you over. Oh well.

He didnt screw me over. My investments had a 56% return last year.

As I said.

Screw everyone else as long as you get yours.

The conservative way.

Nobody got screwed over. Its just being smart about the markets.

There’s a bunch of us on that same
Boat, Eve.

That doesn’t mean you gotta vote to re-elect a senator who openly bragged about firing Americans and sending overseas. I don’t understand that thought process, and never will.

It’s like the only way to make money in conservative minds is to screw someone else over. I just don’t understand it.

As someone who grew up working in fast food I can tell you that nobody is getting screwed over. Its a low wage job because no skills are required.

Only the lazy left thinks a job like that is meant for fulltime living. Its a kids job meant to be temporary until you grow up and get something better..

The only one getting screwed are the restaurant owners. Because their margins are thin and they cant afford to pay people that much. Especially in a pandemic. So congrats you will have no job because they cant afford to pay you.

You mean the owners buying luxury cars and other dumb crap with their bailout money?

Sorry but I’m tired of the sob stories from these poor old restaurant owners whining about their slave wages.

Get rid of tipping, pay 15 and keep it moving. If they can’t make it, oh well, that’s capitalism. Let the market decide who stays and goes.

That’s what y’all say all the time anyway. They will be another restaurant there to take their place, with better management. Happens all the time, all over the country.

Sorry the truth is too much for you to handle. Your moaning isnt going to change the truth.


The libtard left is so clueless they cant even understand that forced lockdowns are putting many restaurants on the brink of closing, and now you think they should pay their employees 15 when there is barely any income.

Yall arent too bright.

Somebody doesn't want their biscuits and gravy with sweet tea to go up 50 cents. It doesn't matter that they USED to be kids jobs because a large portion of the millenials have to hold those jobs to pay back the student loans that are eating them. Grandparents are working the door at walmart and doordashing eats to you because they can't afford food without doing it. Sure they are low skill jobs, but when that's all you can find, you still have to make a living. ALL JOBS MATTER, you learned that lesson over the past year unless you live in a bubble. Just try wiping your butt without toilet paper... gives you an appreciation for the shelf stockers, truck drivers, and unskilled people in the supply chain don't it. But here you are telling us how unimportant they are to save money that is not even yours to save... typical GOPer Einstein.

All those Hondurans coming are going to take those precious mcdonalds jobs away from you anyway. If they can walk all the way from Honduras they deserve the job more than some American slacker.

Please dont live in ignorance that Burger King and Walmart are the only employers. There are plenty of trade jobs out there that people can learn. For free. Adults working at Burger King and expecting a living wage are lazy. Stop taking teenage jobs away from them. Grow up.