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The American people deserve an urgent, robust, and professional response to the growing public health and economic crisis caused by the coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak. That is why Joe Biden is outlining a plan to mount:

https://joebiden.com/covid-plan/

OK now unlike minimum wage this one I agree 100 percent with.

Ok boomer.

I clicked on the link expecting a lot of window-dressing with few details and was pleasantly surprised. Thank you for posting that.

I hate it that the first thing he said was basically saying we would spend ourselves out of this mess, but with how the response has been neglected (federally) so far, I doubt there's a cost-effective solution that's still on the table.

Better late than never. If his response nails it from here, it's a HUGE feather in his cap to kick off his term.

I think the economic cost of not getting the vaccine rolled out as fast as possible ... or continuing on the muddled/failed path Trump has us on ... far outweighs the cost of investing to get this done right/fast/well.

It's truly astonishing how we've had 9-10 months for a plan to be in place to roll out such a mammoth task - and the Fed Govt has ... nothing. They've essentially washed their hands and left the States to figure it out themselves.

It's amazing to me that there aren't drive-thru vaccination clinics in every Walmart parking lot in America...

Veteran medics, paramedics, pharmacists, veterinarians, medical school students, and nursing school students could all be called upon to give shots... They could also possibly use those air gun shots like other military vaccinations and process huge lines faster... And I have had to self administer shots of blood thinner in my stomach before, so I don't see why some people couldn't self administer these if they were in preloaded doses or in something like an epipen... just thoughts.

This is what the defense protection act is for. We aren't far away from Covid killing as many Americans as the number of troops killed during WW2. That's an astounding thing when you say it out loud.

As a leader you must take charge and use the tools at your disposal to save American life. The defense protection act, if it had been used properly, would have helped and I think Biden will use it to help get these vaccines in the arms of Americans quickly.

I agree with all of that. And most if not all will happen.

I’d gladly give injections at a COVID vaccination center. Get me mine first so I’m protected. Then I’d gladly help vaccinate my community. Sign me up.

That's been Trumps plan all along. Get the Vaccine, then blame the states for anything that goes wrong.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/15/biden-to...oss-the-us.html

Great news.

This is what should have happened from day one.
Finally, leadership.

Can you clarify that?

What is day one? Back in Feb, March, when there was no vaccine?

Or now, when there is a shortage of vaccine and, around here at least, only health care workers, emt's, and those over a certain age (varies) of 70, or 80 are eligible?

From what I've read, at my age, I might be able to get the vaccine sometime this summer.

What exactly is the leadership you speak of? How can you vaccinate anyone and everyone if there is no vaccine, OR, if there's a shortage of it?

Heard on the radio today that.....I think it was moderna, shut their place down to re-equip to make the vaccine.

You yourself just got, if I remember correctly, your first shot.

My son, a NP in Columbus, you know, on the front line, just got his first shot yesterday.

And, there are many, many health care providers declining the vaccine.

Only about 30% of the available vaccines have been given at present -- I think that is the criticism.

And that could be. It's why I ASKED. However, look at the link I gave. Where I live, as of now, they will just be starting public vaccinations. For people over 80.

So, exactly what was the comment about "finally, leadership" about? Biden can say what the hell he wants, but that doesn't make it reality.

The UK has done 3 million people in 6 weeks. Population is about 60 million from what I remember.

USA numbers here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

LOL....prove it...lol

From day one the National Guard should have been involved. They have a built in structure in place for management of large scale ‘disaster’ relief.

... and no, I’ve still not gotten a vaccination yet. I’ve only gotten a call from HR asking if I wanted one. Not even a peep since. I think it’s been about ten days since that call. All I can do is wait.

So, where does the 'leadership' come from, when the vaccine isn't available? Heck, you're a nurse, and you still haven't gotten it?

That's not a leadership issue, that's a supply issue.



But, you haven't gotten it. Okay. Put yourself in my position..........I'll get it perhaps 3-6 months after you. Get in line. Your new 'leader' isn't doing anything, because the vaccine isn't sitting un used....it isn't there in numbers.

That is where the local health department has set up around here.

The problem locally it is the only place that is currently administering.

I was watching CNN yesterday....yes I watch them as well to get a scope of the issues. Their doctor...Dr. Gupta...the radio guy said we were currently administering 950,000 shots a day, so P.E Bidens goal of 1,000,000 as day isn't all that big of a bump, especially since no matter what is said, it takes some time to ramp up.

And just to be clear, I am not moaning about the goal of 1,000,000 a day. If anybody thought or thinks everybody will be vaccinated by April isn't being realistic about the scope of the mission. IMO we will be lucky to have this done in 18-24 months.

Remember, most people will need 2 shots to be covered, so we don't have 300,000,000 shots to give, we have 600,000,000 to administer.

Actually there are a lot of doses sitting around waiting to be given. The problem is that the federal government sent the vaccines to the states without any support. The states don't have the infrastructure nor the manpower to efficiently distribute the vaccine to the masses.

Day 1 that he is referring to is the 1st day the vaccine became available.
Seems pretty self apparent unless you are looking for a reason to be snarky

So, there are a lot sitting around. Yet our friend portland can't get one?

He is the one that said the national guard should have been in charge. Why couldn't each state have enacted the guard to distribute? Oh, they could have.

Blame it on Trump though. I'm sure he was in charge of the distribution.

But, as you said, there are a lot of vaccine doses sitting around.....okay. Apparently you feel we need the Fed. Gov't. to distribute them, cause the states aren't capable of it?

Or, let's blame trump again?

Your pick, and we know what you picked. And portland, as he said as much.

Won't be long till you can't blame Trump. Then what? (oh, I know - just as cuomo has said "we can't stay shut down forever or there won't be businesses to re-open). But....

They will keep blaming someone.

It's a monumental task. Since they are the keepers of the fairy dust, maybe they need to sprinkle some around.

I said the federal government. You are the one placing the blame on trump.

Lol peen. And really if anyone thought the vaccine administration wasn’t going to be the mess that it is was fooling themselves.

Whichever...I don't think we can blame anyone at this point.

It is very early in the process. The Feds can plan in broad brush, but when you get down to local communities, they can't do that. That is up to states, counties, and local communities.

Lots of resources have gone in to FEMA. What kind of grade would people give them in dealing with local disasters?

With each deployment they learn and it gets better most of the time, but we aren't dealing with a localized situation like a hurricane. This is national in scope.

If anybody learns anything in all of this, the lesson is that you can't count on the Federal government to fix the problem any time soon. You best be able to take care of yourself.

I didn’t see anyone playing the blame game here but you. So since you keep bringing it up. It’s on the present administration for getting warp speed done,. Good job. But they dropped the ball for not funding and supporting the states for administration of the vaccine . Bad job. Biden has his work cut out for him to clean up after them on many issues.

j/c

Some people refuse to understand that there is something called "the defense production act" that are available to enact an order to ramp up production during a national crisis which Trump failed to use.That we have departments like FEMA and our military that can be mobilized to administer vaccines.

They can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that the federal government is the body that is supposed to be in charge during a national emergency which this certainly is one. They don't seem to know that millions of doses of the vaccine are sitting on ice that as of yet haven't been given. They can't seem to figure out that the fact there are no vaccines in their area is a direct failure of the distribution plan and they also forgot that when Trump had the opportunity to order millions more doses of the vaccine he declined to do so.

It's a logistical nightmare.

The weird thing is I have actually been directly a part of the DPA last year, for N95s though, and not for vaccines. We ramped up production capacity for N95s for several different manufacturers to get those cranked out.

Haven't heard anything about vaccines.

My wife was on a teleconference I overheard with a bunch of different agencies in Cincinnati. Her agency is a nonprofit that does mental health assistance for the homeless population, so she was their representative. One of the biggest issues that doesn't really get discussed is vaccination of the homeless population because A) they're not the best at taking care of themselves and following etiquette, and B) they have the potential at contributing to large spreads, especially at shelters.

Anyhow, the call sounded like a disaster. There were a ton of cooks in the kitchen so to speak with very little guidance. That's not laying blame either, that's just talking about what happened.

It was basically a who/what/when/where/why dilemma where not a lot of answers were known. The problem too is that there were too many conflicting priorities, too.

There has to be some type of mandate in place that says "we are delivering vaccines here in this amount, at these scheduled times, and this is the priority list of who they go to, and this is the expected follow-up delivery schedule."

It won't make everyone happy, but that's never the case.

our local health department is communicating that.

Right now they are waiting on vaccines.

At least to me, there is no good way to deliver 600 million vaccines to the public. How do you realistically go about doing that? I mean if we struggled to keep toilet paper in the stores, how are you going to deliver 2 shots each to the entire population in a timely, orderly manner?

As I understand it, those two issues are apples and oranges.

The toilet paper more resembles the N95 mask issue. You have companies that can't meet the production demand and have to ramp up production. There had already been a steady stream of delivery and logistics in place though. The issue is getting more to those places. Priority also wasn't as much of an issue because it's not essential to ending the pandemic.

While production may be one side of the issue with vaccinations, I think the bigger problem is overcoming the disaster in logistics that we currently have.

I don't think his comparison was to be taken completely literally. I think it was more of an on-the-nose comment.


I think we're going to flail a little bit longer but we'll eventually hit our stride getting this out there. I think there are a couple things working against us right now.

1. Vaccine makers are trying to scale up something very new (scaling up manufacturing as well as distribution and storage)

2. Especially in certain areas, we have A LOT of our healthcare workers fighting fires, in terms of COVID.

3. Organization of govt response has been pretty poor throughout the pandemic, and so handling of the vaccine wasn't going to magically go perfectly.


All of those things will be sorted out in time.

It is a logistics problem. I expect as we go along, it will get better. You find out what works and what doesn't. It's not like we have been giving shots for a long time. Since maybe mid December?

I think it unrealistic to think things would be moving along like a well oiled machine at this point.

To you and Oober, I didn't think things would go great, and I'm also not trying to lay any blame or even politicize it.

I think it's bad. It's expected to be shaky and bad at first. I think it's shakier and worse than I expected because I think there was enough time in there to at least set a priority listing or configure methodology to better preserve the integrity of the batches being produced, and also for local agencies to have already had the teleconferences like the one my wife participated in.

It just seems like everyone still waited and responded reactively instead of proactively.

I can tell you the N95 issue was dealt with much better, but again, I haven't seen anything on vaccines come in close proximity to me, so I can't distinguish the two for sure.

That is the volume problem I was talking about. To many voices and people/sides wanting pride of authorship get in the way.

Like you, I am not pointing my finger at any one person or group.

Ahh, got it.