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Thickens? That's awful to say about his wife.

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something is really odd about what's happening with the financials right now.

now, i'm not an economist, but has anybody else noticed the silence from even republicans about the debt? like....even though they didn't vote for the recent COVID package, they aren't all that vocal about it right now.

they've decided to just focus on the border crisis. even with the way social media is today, the constant droning on about debt and deficit was far more vocal from the start of obama's presidency than it is biden.

and it's making wonder if it has to do with the fact that currencies and such just isn't measured the same anymore. what i mean is that there was always this notion (real or not) that the value of a country's currency is based on its actual physical resources. thats why there were always conservatives talking about the gold standard and such.

but now its seems like nobody is really concerned about the numbers. i dont hear republicans, fox news, corporations, or much of anybody really saying anything. at best, its nowhere near the level of concern they use to project.

is it because of how digital society has become? seems like the economy is more tied into software updates than anything else. it use to be a favorite talking point to fear monger the base, but now they aren't even using that now. its just border and cancel culture they care about.

there's gonna be a sell off in the market because there's always a sell off...but it just seems like it doesn't even really matter anymore. the corrections are quick and the recoveries are even quicker.

i really don't know if its a good or bad thing. or maybe its just was inevitable the more advanced we get as a society and economy? just strange.

What are they supposed to say when they promised a stimulus package?

Whoever speaks against it will get lambasted.

I’m not talking about just the package. I’m talking about their overall lack of concern over the debt like they used to.

I think that's the actual problem. I don't have a lot of faith in polls. But in combination I think they are somewhat of an indicator. Every poll I saw had Republican voters favoring that stimulus package by 50% or more.

At that point I think they would find it counterproductive to make too much noise about it.

They've never been concerned about the debt when a Republican is in office. And so far other then the stimulus package Biden hasn't done much spending. I think you'll see that change as time goes on. Anything their base might sink their teeth into I believe you'll see them once again jump on the debt train.

There is a ton of buzz in the coding world about all these big companies implementing blockchain code for electronic currencies. I think the filthy rich are hedging their bets on what is about to happen to the dollar. I mean you have politicians spending extraordinary amounts in stimulus to curb the recession and saying we will come roaring back, yet it seems like they don't really believe it. Just my thoughts.

Yeah, it's hard to rail against the debt when your party just passed the biggest spending bill, while also passing enormous tax cuts.

That doesn't mean it won't stop them in the future though.

They will probably go 4 trillion on infrastructure and get bipartisan support because a lot of that will go to big corps and pork projects.

In general I think it's important to ask ourselves, to ask youself;
are you living in a false reality controlled by international interests and the super rich elite?

If anyone thinks there is significance to the rememberence of a day based on 60 years earlier "mattell corp. introduced the Ken doll.

Then I think they ARE living in such a type of false reality.

You are always better off leaving the bubble alone rather than blowing on it if you don't want it to burst.

And those projects do fuel job growth. It's not just "fatcats" getting richer. Workers are getting richer as well.

Somebody is ripping up the road and putting down a new. Somebody is building that dam.

Well yeah, they all get paid over $15 hr doing it.

You know, it is funny. We've seen a couple infrastructure bills go through during the past two administrations, but I haven't really seen anything play out from that...

My biggest focus is on the value added by what the spending focuses on.

There was one time I was involved in a situation where we received earmarked money to perform an "R&D" project that the military had no interest in performing because it would never be of any benefit down range, but hey, it benefitted a company in one of the big name legislator's turf, so it was earmarked.

I always find it funny that Congress earmarks money for the military and then yells at the military for being wasteful. Imagine the same applies to infrastructure.

Most of my projects have some level of federal funding.

That's good to know. What areas do you work in? I'm just going by the fact that, when I look around, I still drive over the Brent-Spence bridge from Ohio into Kentucky. Still see a bunch of stuff aging around me and little innovation being made. That could just be my perspective.

I didn't actually know any major infrastructure bills had been passed into law for a very long time.

I mean they pass spending for highways and such every year but as far as a major transportation or electrical grid type of infrastructure bill, I actually can't think of the last time one was approved. Congress passed a one and a half trillion dollar one last year but it went nowhere after that.

Shoot, you're right. That's a gaffe on my part. I thought one passed in 2017. Don't know why I thought that!?

Doing research on it, it looks like it got caught up in a bunch of quid pro quos before dying.

Wasn't one of his major platforms investing in infrastructure? Didn't exactly work out...even with a majority.

The most recent infrastructure bill that became law was passed in 2015 under Obama admin and was for $305B. This expired in 2019.

Prior to that, the next most recent was a $244.1B infrastructure package that passed in 2005 under Bush admin. This expired in 2009.

Both of these were more or less continued funding than what would be considered a landmark infrastructure investment.

That seems to be the problem. Almost every presidential candidate runs on the idea of an improved infrastructure but never seem to deliver on it. On don't know that Biden will be any different.

The thing I look at is who it was or is that will prevent it from passing. I doubt that an infrastructure bill will ever pass the senate unless they have a vote that bypasses the filibuster. We'll see.

And you hit on a very important point. Anything passed over the last 20 years has been a continuation of funding an not a vast infrastructure investment. More of a maintain the status qua than actual major upgrades.

If they are serious about rebuilding infrastructure like roads, bridges, rails, airports, public transit, etc. ... I wouldn't care if they spend ten trillion because we need it like you read about. But I expect a pork filled bloated bill that does more patching than new building since GOPers will have to be involved. More bridges to nowhere...

Sure they do, or I hope they do. Don't confuse my position when I say I am against a minimum of $15. I want people making more than that, but not in some start-up, dead end job that isn't worth that much.

I just don't think bagging fries at Burger King is worth that much..Pouring concrete on a dam project is worth that and more.

Add some age requirements to the minimum package and maybe some job criteria, then I am willing to talk.

Trust me, I am not against people making money. I want people making solid money.

I work with water treatment and advanced recycled water treatment facilities.

I know in my area there are a ton of 4 bedroom/3 bath potholes for sale.

So if you work at Burger King taxpayers should foot the bill for your childrens medical benefits, food assistance, rent and other benefits not Burger King? Because no matter how you slice it, somebody is paying for it.

You just seem to be selecting who does and who doesn't.

I doubt most on those people would come off those programs.

But you do have a point. I could be on board with $15 as a minimum if people making that weren't able to collect any other benefit paid by taxpayers.

No sect.8, no food stamps...let's do it.

Thats the main purpose of raising the minimum wage. They get folks off of welfare programs. Glad to see you’re finally catching on to this. I’m liking it, when I see minds opening up.

I am always open.

I doubt many would come off, but again, if it reduces those costs by say 85%, why not.

There is a certain amount of income one can receive that will exclude them from receiving welfare and food stamps and will be dropped from those programs. It’s not a choice if working. And really, I know people who are homeless working 12hr days making more than the current minimum wage. So paying people at least $15 an hr is not a big deal. If an employer can’t pay $15 hr for a full time employee they don’t deserve to have hard working loyal employees to begin with.

And now you hit on it...there is a fairly large segment of that group who work on and off so as not to increase their rent or impact the amount of food assistance received.

That's not what he "hit on" at all. But let me ask you this, if you knew making twenty more dollars a week would cut of your childrens healthcare, would you try to make that twenty more dollars per week?

It seems you're trying to place the blame of a very flawed system on the backs of those who work in it.

Come on, that group? I’m sorry, but you’re going to need to show substantial data proving a large segment of “that group” does that. And please identify those in “that group” please. This should be good.

That group, meaning those working 40 hours a week making less than $15 per hour and receiving public subsidy. What did you think I was talking about?

To be precise, I said fairly large. That indicates less than large, but still fairly large.

The only data would be to pull social security records show how many consecutive quarters people have worked.

So, no, I don't have data. You look for it. I will say you are pretty naïve to think people don't quit jobs as they are nearing the point where their income will change their assistance.

At least you understand my point. I fully understand why people would seek to not make that extra $20. I understand the system is flawed.

We don't have a disagreement here. That's why I said it probably wouldn't do all that much good. No matter what people make, those nearing the cutoff will look for ways to not go over...I get it.

It will probably sound a lot like 'those people'.

I spelled it out for him 2 hours before your post...geesh

Didn't see that because I was busy laughing at how you would answer. I've only been reading your posts for like 15-20 years, so I had no idea how you would respond...

I did. And he didn’t disappoint. He couldn’t answer with real data so he continues to just pull crap out of thin air as usual. Nothing new and continues to make up wild conspiracies theories without proof. It’s what the party of trump has become.