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College football conference championship week,
and even moreso, bowl games,
should have way more eyeball attention, for finding players who demonstrate they really love football; than any of,
the east west shrine game
the senior bowl,
or other all star matchups.

Every game I watch, in bowl games and college conference champiohships, in recent years, and major football program contests, every game, there seems to be the feeling one can find one player, that could help the Browns, from that day, and really turn out into a good NFL player.

The Browns, should be hyper focused this week and the next few, to find the future players.
And if that means a side committee of people specifically ignoring and unencumbered with the calling of the late season and playoff push,
then that means go assemble one, even if it has to start from outside the Browns.
It is kind of a super important thing.

I think Alabama Qb, Mac Jones, (I like the most out of the 3
is similarly as good as Florida Qb, Trask,

and I don't particularly like the game style I see from Trevor Lawrence.

I mean, it looks like there are more snaps where the first two are doing more against tough football competition that translates better to the NFL.

But in general, this time of year, individual players' effort can stand out, not just at quarterback.

Kadarius Toney, WR Florida,seems like a guy who could help the Browns. Depending on what we do with Odell, we might be in the market for a WR. I just don't know if we should use a first round pick on a WR (all of the top names should be gone by our first pick) and I am sure Toney will be gone by our 2nd.

I generally believe in BPA, but WR is just not an area we should be spending a first round pick on this year.

Agreed. Though I wouldn’t mind picking up a big bodied type of WR in the mid rounds, 3-5. Give Baker another RZ target as I’m thinking Njoku is finished in Cleveland. I’m a fan of bigger bodied guys. They get off the line easier and have a wider catch radius. Makes a QB’s job easier. Dalton thrived on being able to Chuck it up to guys like Green and Sanu. Not because Dalton was widely accurate either.

One thing is for sure.... the scouting departments will definitely be earning their money this year. Fewer games to look at, smaller sample sizes for everything.... less opportunity for hidden gems to show up.

I think this year will have a higher than normal amount of high round busts... but, I think more talent will get passed over, which may lead to more UDFA success stories coming out of the 2021 Draft.

One thing I was thinking yesterday, was, Try to keep the team together, bring everyone back, and trade up for a top pick, #7 ish,

and see if Najee Harris of Alabama is there. (Shoot, I don't even know if he's a Jr. Sr. I'm assuming he'll be coming out.)

I think it could be the opposite. With fewer games the scouts wount have to spend so much time looking at the players at the top end of the draft so they will have more time to focus on the middle/lower round players.

Why would we do that with Chubb/Hunt?

The Defense needs a lot of internal help.

Middle Linebacker, Strong and Free safety, even some rotational players on the Dline.

I hope thats what they are looking for.


I can also see that they do a lot of BPA this year.

Stefanski does a great job of accentuating what the team does well.. And shifting to covering weakness. So Im pretty comfortable with whatever

"What's that? Ah - Draft? Don't talk about - draft? You kidding me? Draft??"

Of course he will be there. Najee Harris would possibly be there at 24.Why would we give up everything it would take to go from the mid-20s to top 7 to take a running back whom is likely to not be an improvement over the RBs that we have? now Gregory Rousseau, Micah Parsons etc. I would not be adverse to trading up as it seems we have a few specific spots to upgrade.

There's a kid named Patrick Surtain that might have a little bit of a pedigree that would be a decent pick right around the Top 10 that I *would* consider trading up for.

Zach Wilson, QB BYU.

He is currently 17 out of 21 for 331 yards and 3TDs in the 2nd quarter.

Is BYU a respectable CFP for a Qb to come out of?

Steve Young says yes.

Yes. Ty Detmer and Steve Young were two of their QBs.

...also Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson and others. Taysom Hill went to BYU. BYU used to be called the quarterback factory.

I see a fair number of their games with family connections.

He is pretty impressive.

fwiw: I never liked any of those mentioned yet.

Here's a scouting report on Mac Jones. The writer comps him to Kirk Cousins, not as athletic as the current trend, but a good rhythm QB who reads the field well, moves through his progressions, and throws with accuracy and velocity/touch as needed.

Writer? I do have eyes you know.

I think he's a little more comparable to Derick Carr or Ben Roethlisburger than Kirk Cousins, but! Can't say, that's not to say he's going to be successful,
I'm just saying "style" movement, throwing motion, look in the pocket. Jeesh, I did NOT just call him Ben R.
But!
I am saying he's not like Kirk Cousins, not when I watch!

Can't say yet if I'd know if I would give him the ole "I like him" comment, haven't taken the 30 seconds long look yet.

So far he just looks interesting.

Really? You say you like a guy, I find and post a scouting report to support your claim, and all you can do is criticize my find?

I would also consider Kyle Pitts TE from Florida. He looks like a guy that could make Hooper and Njoku expendable which means more money to sign / extend other players.

As tempting as that is, he would have to be a VERY special player for me to consider investing more in the offense right now. For me, this entire offseason is about keeping what need to be kept, then fixing that Defense.

The Gator connection aside, he might be that special.

That said, he is probably going top 12, maybe top 10. He isn't so special to us to try to trade up that far.

I think we're pretty much stuck with Hooper until 2023 and even then we'd take a ~$4.8M cap hit to move on from him.

I'd rather go Defense and Pitts might not even make it to our first round pick.

Kwity Paye is a player I want to dig in more on.

26.

Browns
Christian Barmore
IDL, Alabama
A tough out for a plucky Cleveland team who seems likely to qualify as a preseason AFC contender as Odell Beckham Jr. returns to the starting lineup. With Bill Callahan in hand and the cornerstone pieces of the offense under contract, I turn my eyes to a 25th-ranked DVOA defense.

While CB2 is arguably a bigger need, the best defensive player left on the board is an argument between Georgia EDGE Azeez Ojulari and Christian Barmore. I like Barmore for the Browns as a Larry Ogunjobi replacement, should the Browns elect not to return him in free agency. Barmore is pretty raw, but the Browns still have Sheldon Richardson under contract for another year, so Barmore can rotate behind him and nose tackle Andrew Billings, who was absent this year as a COVID-19 opt-out.

Despite his rawness, Barmore shined down the backstretch for Alabama, playing better football than ever before to surge back into the first-round conversation after falling out of it during the fall. He’s slippery, brings the shock with his punch, and has the functional size to hold up against the run. Great immediate and future impact pick.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-solak-1.0

He really stood out to me during the title game ... reallly stout and disruptive

26. CLEVELAND BROWNS: S TREVON MOEHRIG, TCU
Andrew Sendejo and Karl Joseph are probably not the answer at safety for the Browns, so picking a playmaker in Moehrig would be huge for them. With the way defense is going to be played in the NFL going forward, having a versatile player who can line up in the slot and then play a deeper role is critical. Moehrig only allowed six first downs across 30 targets when playing in the slot but can also play deep in the half-field and centerfield.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-...h-lands-at-no-3

I think davis and taki both suck. Neither one can tackle. If you play linebacker, you best be a sure tackler.

And why the Browns haven't won a championship since 1964. (My opinion)
Build to strength, get another RB in here and another off. lineman, or Something to help the offense.

Agree to disagree I guess.. we need at least 2 or 3 more legit playmakers on defense.. all things considered, we are drafting for depth on offense in the later rounds unless something really unexpected happens in FA or some must have guy falls.

As much as I would say we need defensive players if I had to pick one side of the ball over the other, I still say BPA is the smart way to go. As much as we might need d today, you never know how things are going to look a few years down the road.

That said, in any draft you have groupings of players and usually don't have one clear cut best player sitting there. That is where you can lean a bit and select a player to impact the game on one side of the ball over the other. Sometimes you might not be able to break it down so far as position, but you probably can break it down to offense or defense.

For that reason, I would expect to see us lean to the defensive side of the ball a bit more.

We have to remember, free agency is all about signing players at positions of need. No team goes out to sign the best FA available. They sign players to fill needs.

Very true.. for so many years we went into the draft needing.. well, pretty much everything.. and we frequently took a QB and it always failed.

We are at a level now where we need a few more impact players, the core of the team is pretty solid, and it doesn't really matter which position exactly.. but yes, if 2 players are very close and the higher one plays OT and the lower one plays LB, I'm taking the LB if the difference in rating is negligable.

I think there is more of a consensus of the top 5 and maybe up to 10 draft picks. Beyond that point is where I think things level off to the point that groupings as Peen mentioned come into play. There are exceptions where a few teams had players rated higher and see them as falling in the draft.

What I think will help determine which position we pick may boil down to what it often does with teams sitting as low in the draft order as we are this time around. You have runs on certain positions. Sometimes it's CB's. Sometimes it's the pass rushers.

It creates a situation that the talent at certain positions are depleted while there are still very valuable players at positions that have had fewer players chosen at those positions.