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In times like these, the art of backtracking can only be done with semantics.

Yes, Peen more than "suggested" the FBI wasn't trustworthy. i mean if you're still going to make the claim that words have meaning. You really haven't followed the rise of white supremacy have you?

DHS Report Says White Supremacist Groups Are Deadliest US Terror Threat

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2...c-terror-threat

White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report Shows

https://www.newsweek.com/white-supremaci...t-shows-1517096

Trying to minimize what's going on here is how we got to what happened on January sixth. It has been proven that a lot of former military and police officers were involved. It's time our security officials get to the bottom of it rather than try to act like it's not that big of a deal.

And they are. Because they know what's going on. Unlike those trying to dismiss it as some kind of fictional novel.

Good, you thought about it. I wasn't asking because I didn't know. The AG and director are appointed by the President. It's a political arm of whoever is in the White House.

You can't base everything you think about the office of AG by the way Trump used it.

Hmmm. If someone or a body is not trustworthy ... then you don't trust them.

You can try to debate the definition of what "is" is -- but you wrote what you wrote and the intention and meaning is only debatable in your head.

An appointment does not mean they are the political arm of the POTUS. That has been understand in every single administration with the exception of Trump's .... what you wrote is so wrong and goes against so much of the Norms of how Government and the DOJ is supposed to operate. Truly ... just wow.

Well...it wasn't until Trump fired Comey.

So you just made his point. Everybody you listed that the FBI reports to and who has final say in what the FBI investigates and how they investigate it is a political appointee.. somebody put in place by a politician of a political party, and therefore COULD and SHOULD constantly have their motives questioned. I generally trust the FBI field officers to do their job, I have less trust for those who pull the strings on what that job is..

Yet typically an FBI director is appointed for ten years and serves presidents of both parties. Comey was appointed by Obama in 2013 but is a registered Republican. Which indicates quite strongly that political affiliation isn't a major consideration.

They must also be approved by the senate which in the case of Comey was controlled by the Republican party in 2013. That makes it a bipartisan appointment.

No, I didn’t make his point. I answered a question that everyone should know. It’s trump and trump supporters and the proud boys, kkk or whatever they call themselves, that want to question the judicial arm of the government who distrust the FBI and are unlawfully rioting and inciting insurrection. Like I said it’s no wonder this country is so screwed up.

That was than ... Trump destroyed so many norms and protocols, we may never get it back to what it was. Even down to running departments under "Acting Heads" because Trump couldn't / wouldn't nominate candidates that were worthy. Yay Murica !

j/c...

Stop stanning them.

They’re part of the problem.

Maybe when they quit being so good at these videos... and I'm not stan.

Their videos generate clicks and potential revenue for a group who wants neoliberals at best or a return to the B2 stealth bomber racism that existed before Trump.

Hard pass. I won’t fall for their grift.

GC.
I wonder if any democrat would actually do anything good for the people who live "in" the usa in the next 4 years. everybody knows they won't.

I don't think anyone could be a citizen in heart and vote for what the democrats do.

seizure- is taking something, like when stuff is forfeited to an investigation.

Maybe one of these liberals could show where a democrat ever does any good for people who live and come from inside the usa
(and stabbing in the back does not count)

We tried to supply you with free public education... well we see how that turned out. Yikes!

Except that’s never been tried. Yikes.

These Trumpian big lie lawsuits sure have the bodies dropping in accountability.

Fox Business suddenly cancels 'Lou Dobbs Tonight,' its highest-rated show

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/media/lou-dobbs-fox-show-canceled/index.html

Rudy Giuliani Fumes on Air About ‘Insulting’ Disclaimer Added to His Radio Show

“They got to warn you about me?” Giuliani asks, before launching into baseless claims about voter fraud

Rudy Giuliani was pretty incensed on his radio show Thursday after a disclaimer was added to the show during a commercial break.

WABC Radio inserted in the following statement before cutting back to Giuliani’s show: “The views, assumptions and opinions expressed by former U.S. Attorney, former attorney to the President of the United States and New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, his guests and callers on the program are strictly their own, and do not necessarily represent the opinions, beliefs or policies of WABC Radio, its owner Red Apple Group and other WABC hosts or our advertisers.”

“I would have thought they would have told me about that before just doing what they just did,” Giuliani said after he came back on air. “Rather insulting.”

Giuliani then tried to make the disclaimer some sort of free speech issue. “Gives you a sense of how far this free speech thing has gone. And how they frighten everybody. I mean, we’re in America, we’re not in East Germany. They got to warn you about me? I’m going to have to give that a lot of consideration. I also think putting it on without telling me, not the right thing to do. Not the right thing to do at all.”

Naturally, he said this during this show, which absolutely had not been canceled, which was still being aired and which he was still allowed to speak on.

Throughout the rest of his show, Giuliani continued to advance the same old lies and false claims about 2020 election fraud he’s been making since last year. And even some of his listeners seem to have grown tired of it, as evidenced by a caller who asked Giuliani if he felt “somewhat guilty about spreading a lot of unproven conspiracy theories to folks who may not have the ability or critical thinking skills” and if maybe Giuliani was “taking advantage of the gullible.”

Giuliani replied by repeating the false claims. “I know that they stole 30,000 votes in Georgia, I have the tape of it,” and proceeded to then argue with the caller that Biden stole the election and that most of the votes were “illegal.” None of those things are true.

It’s unclear why the disclaimer was added, but it might be to insulate the radio from potential legal exposure. In recent weeks right wing media outlets have been threatened with lawsuits from voting machine makers Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic.

On Thursday Smartmatic sued Giuliani and Fox News for $2.7 billion for defamation and spreading lies that their machines were involved in tampering with the 2020 election results. Giulani is also currently facing a $1.3 billion lawsuit filed by Dominion.

Giuliani is no stranger to public gaffes. Just in the final two three months of 2020, he was made a laughingstock by Sacha Baron Cohen in “Borat 2,” he leaked what appeared to be hair dye all over his face during a press conference, he kept calling the wrong numbers while trying to convince senators to overthrow the 2020 election, and also butt-dialed an NBC News reporter.

https://www.thewrap.com/rudy-giuliani-fu...his-radio-show/

j/c

After legal threat, Fox airs news package debunking election fraud claims made by its own hosts

If President Trump tunes into Fox News this weekend, he may see something unexpected: a point-by-point fact-check to wild election fraud claims made by some of his favorite hosts on the network.

After voting technology company Smartmatic sent Fox News a blistering legal threat that accused the network of participating in a "disinformation campaign" against it, the network has started airing a remarkable news package debunking claims its hosts and guests have propagated.

The package aired for the first time Friday night on Lou Dobbs' show. Fox News said the same package would air Saturday night on Jeanine Pirro's program as well as Sunday morning on Maria Bartiromo's show. All three hosts, who use their platforms to air pro-Trump propaganda, are close with the President.

The stunning news package featured an interview with voting technology expert Eddie Perez, who poured cold water on a series of conspiracy theories that have been amplified and promoted on the shows of Dobbs, Pirro, and Bartiromo.

Perez said, for instance, that he had not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to manipulate the election or that there was a direct connection between the company and liberal philanthropic billionaire George Soros.

As Trump has continued to attack the integrity of the voting system, some of his allies have homed in on Smartmatic because of the services it provided Los Angeles County for the 2020 election.

The baseless conspiracy theories peddled about Smartmatic, which mimic those pushed against Dominion Voting Systems, falsely suggest that the company's technology allowed the November vote to be rigged against Trump.
Some strains of the conspiracy theory have aimed to tie the company to Soros and the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez.

When asked for comment on the surreal news package Fox aired, Erik Connolly, an attorney for Smartmatic, told CNN, "We cannot comment due to potential litigation." A Fox News spokesperson referred CNN back to the segment itself and did not comment further.

In its legal notice to Fox News, dated December 10, Smartmatic identified several instances in which conspiracy theories were spread on its air by either Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani or former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell. The legal notice, which stated assertions made about Chavez and Soros have no truth to them, also identified instances in which Dobbs and Bartiromo helped spread false information.

Perez, who has a history providing insight to news organizations, told CNN on Saturday afternoon that the interview process with Fox was unusual. Perez said, for instance, that the network would not tell him which show the piece would be aired on and that he found it strange the interview was not conducted by an on-air reporter or host.

"I was never informed that the content would be for Mr. Dobbs' show," Perez told CNN. "And my reaction was to observe as many others have how kind of strange and unique that particular way at presenting the facts was."

"I am not accustomed to seeing Lou Dobbs air very straight forward factual evidence," Perez added, noting it was unusual for the news package to simply end with no comment from Dobbs and then cut to a commercial break.
"I think my main reaction was one of surprise and to think to myself that it was very interesting to see how the interview ultimately played out because I had not been given any reason to expect that was the nature of the story," Perez said.

Perez also said that he was not made aware prior to the interview that the questions would be solely focused on Smartmatic.

"There was nothing in any of the preliminary conversations that I had with Fox News that gave me any indication that Smartmatic would be a matter of conversation," Perez said. "It was never mentioned that this was going to be a discussion about Smartmatic or even claims about private vendors. I was anticipating a broader discussion about the debate around the election, election integrity, so on and so forth."

Asked to describe Fox's coverage of the election, Perez said that its on-air talent has made allegations "that are speculative and not based in fact, many of which are harmful to enhancing public confidence in the legitimacy of election outcomes."

But Perez expressed gratitude for being allowed to deliver the facts to the Fox audience in an unfiltered way.

"I felt it was important to talk to Fox News," Perez told CNN, "if anything potentially more important to be speaking the facts to their audience because there are a lot of consumers of Fox News that have doubts about the election."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/business/fox-smartmatic-news-package/index.html

They are ready to admit they lied when somebody is about to hit them in the purse... deplorables acting deplorably.

How do they get away with it? They work with Trump to convince his followers and their viewers that it's everyone else who is fake news so they only listen to them. Then they fill their heads full of lies and fake news.

It's fake news calling everyone else fake news. That's how they get away with it.

I've heard rumors that there may be a twitter lead large class action against fox for the radicalization of the elderly and destruction/damages to families based on their admitting these lies to avoid being sued. Rut ro.

You know the really funny thing - the crazies and Cult of Trump and the posters who promote Qanon theories (while claiming not to have heard of Qanon) are all likely to read that and thing "THE FIX IS IN" - cancel culture ! They are more likely to think that than to realize the simple truth is that Trump and Rudi and all the sycophant cronies like Hawley and Nunes ... we're knowingly and willing lying.

Fun times.

The weird part is that the posters who promote quanon theories on this forum are liberals. You people crap your pants in your eagerness to blabber on about it.

It's not weird they created it. They have no interest in the truth.

No, the QAnon theories are promoted by Republicans. They think just because they didn't hear them directly from QAnon they aren't promoting QAnon conspiracy theories.

That's why you keep blabbering on about it.

100% truth.

Irony at it's best.

This is how things like QAnon start. Somebody completely clueless offers up something ridiculous and it somehow becomes their truth. Why the hell would liberals promote this garbage? Sure they will point out how NUTS it all is and give examples, but even those GOPers denying they even know what it is know that it's from the far right. If they say otherwise, they are lying.

Yep, that's the new GOPer/MAGA/Q excuse, I don't even know what it is... I call BS. You may not have known it was Q related stuff you were talking about and spreading but the entire right has been doing it for months! Politicians, churches, and the far right internet have been spreading these lies and delusions as truth and the hate bias against 'libtards' allows them believe it.

And while I'm on this rant, I think 'libtards' is a political slur based on a word long known to be offensive in the mental health world when referring to learning disabilities and mental capacity. Yet on this board it's use is commonplace while disparaging remarks against the almost insane right is taboo. Pffft.

" why would liberals promote this garbage"

It benefits liberals immensely.
It is a label, a stigma liberals can attach to or use to discredit anyone who doesn't follow the liberals' big lie of falsehoods line of thinking.

In an attempt to shut down, or silence anyone who speaks up for the truth, they can make up "Q'anon" this time, it could have just as easily would have been like making up "alien space ships"

see if I (a liberal in this hypothetical) can say anyone who speaks up for the truth, believes in crazy little spacemen, then I can shut them all down and ignore them instead of hear the truth,
in all attempts to force everyone to accept my lie, or else! or else I'll pound them! or else I'll take their media off the air!
Or else I'll sue them for 2.7 billion dollars for not believing my lie as I told them to.
And If I have the FBI and the DOJ and the Pentagon, and several Military Generals on my side,
they'll get the message, they will or we will round them all up and put them in camps.

(That's why the heck the left would invent Q'anon)

Did dems make up the crowd of GOPer insurrectionist and that cast of Q followers? Did we make up MTG? Did we make up website after website of far right radicals talking about and promoting these things?

I think you and people like you need it to be the dems so you don't have to realize the lie you are living and how messed up the people in your circles are. I can understand that need, but it's not reality.

You just used the word 3 times in your post, are your going to claim those 3 uses came from the right, or republicans as you claim your side claims the constant use of the word "qanon" comes from them, when some leftist big media probably invented the whole concept of Qanon as an idea,
and we, because we don't watch the network left wing media, have never heard of it.

Someone's been pulling the wool over your sides eyes, it is your leftist big network, fake news, media.

Yeah, all of those Q signs at Trump rallies and at the insurrection were just photoshopped in.

The FACT that the right wing media has repeated Qanon conspiracy theories aren't catering to them.

Well it's hard to talk about using the word without USING THE WORD. And the wool over our eyes... another dem plot in your mind, that we invented the word to degrade ourselves just to blame GOPers? Q is that you?

Reporting real events and quoting people with what they actually say is considered FAKE NEWS. So don't expect different.