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He's the only user I have on ignore. I don't even want to know...

Yeah you did !!!

Take cover! The Daleks are coming for us...

Sure dumbass, now all we need is 1.4 million acres of solar panels to charge those cars up.

So you can put some in your backyard?

A relic of antiquated infrastructure. We have to move forward sooner than later.

No doubt.

However, solar panels may seem green, but the silicon crystals needed to produce the panels is nasty stuff to produce, not to mention what is left when the panels need to be replaced. They don't last forever.

It depends on your definition of nasty. Trump = Nasty.

The cost of refining the polysilicon into wafers is the most costly process of every solar panel. But it’s not particularly nasty to refine. It’s not unsafe to process like mining for coal, refining rocket fuel, or refining oil into high octane petroleum.

Bla bla bla...your link doesn't say crap.

We have a large poly silica plant 30 miles up the road. It went in to production maybe 3-4 years ago. There have been 3-4 explosions in that time. Injuring dozens and killing 1-2.

The chemicals used to produce the product are nasty and disposing of used panels is a bio hazard.

I am not saying that petro chemical is clean. I am only saying that this idea that solar is the "green" alternative is a bunch of crap.

If you want to look up links, look up Wacker Chemical, charleston TN..and naturally, don't just pull up their PR link where you will see a family, kids playing in sunshine and flowers with a solar panel in the distance.

"Spaceballs" movie quotes.
Dark Helmet: So the combination is one, two, three, four, five. That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! That's the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage!
[President Skroob walks in.]
Skroob: What's the combination?
Colonel Sandurz: One, two, three, four, five.
Skroob: One, two, three, four, five? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
[Colonel Sandurz and Dark Helmet give each other a look.]
Skroob: Prepare Spaceball 1 for immediate departure!
Colonel Sandurz: Yes sir.
Skroob: And change the combination on my luggage!
»

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NhD15ocwA

What’s the over under on nuclear fusion, 10.5 years? I feel like we need to start laying the foundation, of renewable energy transfer. For the time being, a solar, wind power, even tidal energy source.

Cool. What about lithium mining?

There is about 140 lbs of lithium in a Tesla S battery pack from what I could find.. where does it come from? How is it mined? How safe is it? How is it disposed of?

One of these things gets 20 miles per gallon. The other one lasts for eight years.

There is not 140 lbs of lithium in a model S Tesla battery. There is 24.46 pounds of it. A gallon of gas weighs 6.06 lbs. A ten gallon tank of gas puts roughly 8,800 grams of CO2 into the atmosphere. That’s roughly 300 pounds of co2 per ten gallons tossed into the air. CO2 is not disposable and is nearly impossible to reduce the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. I don’t think the comparison is even close. But I’m sure the right leaning gas addicts will continue to try and make these types of comparisons up as if they are valid points. Please continue.

C'mon bro. We don't need to make everything political. Acting as if there are no environmental aspects to mining lithium is sticking your head in the sand, plain and simple.

The problem is (as always) we don't pay attention until there is a real problem -- and there will be. We use 500,000 gallons to mine a ton of lithium, water systems are polluted for hundreds of miles in many regions where the mining takes place. Exponential demand equals exponential problems. Also, to this point, proper recycling of li-on batteries is basically minuscule. Again, it won't be taken seriously until it's deemed "a problem". In the meantime, the focus, as always, is profit... while exploiting those in regions that can't defend themselves.

For the record, I'm certainly not arguing oil vs lithium, but calling it "green" and ignoring consequences seems like the opposite of what those leading some great "revolution" should be doing.

For the record, my comments are more about solar panels to power your home.

I don't have as big a problem with powering vehicles.

I still think a hybrid type vehicle is the way to go, at least for the next 30 years. As it stands, electric cars just don't get you far enough down the road. Charging has to be improved as far as time required.

A natural gas and electric might be a good alternative. Natural gas isn't as good as gasoline to run a engine, but it burns a lot cleaner.

The real push needs to be public transportation. For the most part it sucks in this country. In many large urban areas it is decent at best. The smaller the city, the worse it gets.

Sounds like good common sense to me peen.

The transition to renewable energy from fossil fuels is a no brainer although not painless. Coming up with excuses not to transition by using false claims and unreasonable comparisons is brainless. Not saying you but in general as most of these going green threads seem to become a bunch of comparisons and not common sense thought processes.

Wow...I just made a comment in another thread about you being unreasonable in your comments.

I'll have to take that back here.

I don't mind the green movement. At some point it will be necessary and we need to start doing something.

We probably won't be able to do away with fossil fuels all together. We can find ways to reduce it's usage, and not just some pitifully low percentage. I doubt we will ever get to zero usage. We probably aren't going to get large transfer trucks running on electric power. We aren't going to get large tanker ships running on electric, so they are still going to be diesel powered, but I can see where nearly all cars are zero emission, or near zero...there are emissions from natural gas as an example.

We need to start, but we also need to light a fire under the manufactures to get technology to the point we can do that. Electric vehicles are great for in town commuting, but people need to live in town for that to work. As it stands, electric isn't all that possible if people want to travel out of town or have a long commute to work.

Business needs incentive. Incentive is driven by demand. The only real way to get demand up is to offer vehicles that aren't like little toys, or so expensive that most people can't afford them.

To give companies incentive to find the ways, holding a hammer over their head isn't incentive. That's simply holding a hammer over their head. I would offer tax reductions out the kazooto companies for every R&D dollar spend to get it done.

Hold the hammer over other countries heads to make sure they are doing the same. It does little good for us to reduce our emissions by 50-60% if countries like China are increasing theirs.

I know we’ll never eliminate oil from the equation. All bearings and motors and hydraulics use oil. Trains already run on electric power. They use diesel generators to power them. Naval ships are using elec. powered by nuclear generators. As elec. generation, batteries and other electrical storage facilities become more efficient I believe transportation in general will be 90% green renewable energy. 100% is a ffalse claim. We’ll always need fossil fuels and oil in some form.

That's actually a really fair critique (I am a gas-head, or whatever we call people that enjoy their ICE cars).

Sure electric motors are used in boats and trains. I don't think nuke cars would fly....heck we can't hardly get approval to build nuclear power plants anymore.

I still think until we get the auto manufactures and oil companies on board, it's going to be a slow go. Business isn't going to invest billions before it's all said and done if there isn't some reasonable pay back time frame.

General Motors Co. is promising to go green by making all of its global operations and vehicles carbon neutral by 2040, including selling only zero-emission models by 2035.

The pledge is a bold embrace by the automaker of emission-reduction goals set by California. The state is one of the largest markets for vehicles in the U.S. and announced plans in September to ban sales of gasoline-powered cars and trucks by 2035. GM’s target for achieving company-wide carbon neutrality is 10 years ahead of rival Ford Motor Co.’s goal.

The company’s stock rose as much as 7.4% on the news and traded up 3.1% to $50.89 as of 12:50 p.m. in New York.


https://www.worldoil.com/news/2020/9/16/...at-a-crossroads

(Bloomberg) --For most of the past century, Big Oil executives found it pretty easy to explain to investors how their businesses worked. Just locate more of the commodities that everyone needed, extract and process them as cheaply as possible, and watch the profits flow.

That’s all over now. The change has been so profound that the chief executive officer of BP Plc recently found himself hyping the profit potential of another commodity. “People may not know—BP sells coffee. We sold 150 million cups of coffee last year,” Bernard Looney said in an interview in August, referring to beverage kiosks attached to the company’s fuel stations. “This is a very strong business. It’s a growth business.”

Perhaps it was tongue-in-cheek, or a way for the leader of the world’s fifth-largest international oil company to emphasize a relationship with consumers. But it’s clear Looney and other oil bosses are struggling to sell their plans for a future in which the world wants more green energy. Last year, for the first time in history, solar and wind made up most of the world’s new power sources, according to BloombergNEF. If the margins on cappuccinos look good right now, that’s an indication of how hard it will be for Big Oil to rapidly ditch its winning formula of drilling, pumping, and refining while spending its way into renewables.

GMAFB Gm won't be in business in 2040 at the rate they are going. They already quit building almost every single car they made. Not everybody wants a SUV or Truck. God they are dumber than a man with a single digit IQ.

Ok Boomer...lol

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ford-carbon-neutral-by-2050/580538/

Dive Brief:

The Ford Motor Company aspires to achieve carbon neutrality globally by 2050, according to the company's 21st sustainability report released Wednesday. It is working with Ceres and the Science Based Targets initiative (SBTi) to set scope 1, 2 and 3 environmental goals in line with the Paris Agreement.
Ford will invest $11.5 billion in its electric vehicle lines through 2022, as well as reducing carbon dioxide production, water use and waste across its facilities and supplier base. These areas are responsible for 95% of the company's current emissions, according to a press release.
In the interim, Ford has committed to reducing global facility carbon dioxide levels 18% from 2019 to 2023 and switching over to 100% locally sourced renewable energy in its manufacturing plants by 2035.

Well that's all the proof 99.9 percent of people on the boards need. You support it. That means it sucks.

2050, 2050 LMAO no business in the world can survive for 29 years when nobody is buying their products.

GM Accelerates Electrification Timeline, Plans 30 EVs by 2025

General Motors is moving toward an all-electric lineup and is aiming for the highest EV market share in North America.

General Motors is leaving no room for doubt as to whether or not it’s dedicated to electrification: the Detroit-based automaker announced today at a conference hosted by British bank Barclays that it is increasing its investment in electric and autonomous technology by $7 billion and will have 30 EVs on the market by 2025. That brings GM’s total EV and autonomous tech investment through 2025 to $27 billion as the automaker moves toward a full-electric lineup.

This increase in planned electric vehicles—up from the 20 slated to hit the market by 2023—GM said, is made possible by the flexible Ultium platform which can be adapted to a variety of different vehicles. That platform can also now give vehicles a range of up to 450 miles, up from the 400 miles which GM claimed at an “EV Day” back in March.

Alongside the scaling of EV production, GM expects that the cost of its Ultium batteries will drop by 60 percent by the middle of this decade, bringing the batteries “closer to cost parity with gas-powered engines.” GM also said that its second-generation Ultium batteries will be ready by that time, which will have twice the energy density of the current batteries.

“Climate change is real, and we want to be part of the solution by putting everyone in an electric vehicle,” General Motors CEO Mary Barra said in a press release. “We are transitioning to an all-electric portfolio from a position of strength and we’re focused on growth.”

Of those 30 electric vehicles expected to reach the market by 2025, 20 will reach the North American market. Earlier this year, GM’s 2019 Sustainability Report gave a glimpse at many of these models, but today's presentation gave another look at the expanding EV lineup. Cadillac will launch multiple electric crossovers and "low roof entries" in addition to the already announced Lyriq, Celestiq, and full-size SUV. At GMC, beyond the 2022 Hummer pickup EV and SUV EV, there is also a full-size pickup in the works. At Chevrolet, which already offers the Bolt and has a Bolt EUV coming, a pickup and a crossover model are planned along with “low roof entries.” And at Buick, more than one electric crossover is expected.

The flexible Ultium platform is what brought the development timeline of the Hummer down to 26 months, as opposed to the standard 50 months, GM said. That reduction in development time will affect other vehicles' launches as well; in the case of the Cadillac Lyriq, it will arrive by the first quarter of t 2022 instead of arriving late that year.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34730248/gm-accelerates-electrification-plans/

Some people watch the train rolling down the tracks and still refuse to move. That's right before the train hits them.

You just refuse to believe people will buy them. How is that coal thing working out for you?

They'll have 30 models coming out four years from now. Ford will be coming out with new models as well. Maybe you should let them know they all have no clue what they're doing?

And we're already behind the curve on EV's compared to other countries.

LMFAO just how many places are available to charge those suckers?????? Right now about .0001 percent for an hour or longer charge. We disagree on this 100 percent bro, but be honest electric cars are not going to be possible for a
long, long, time bro.

BTW you never disproved anything I said about coal

GMAFB Spiraling out of control. You have never once posted anything that you could backup with your crap posts.

Electric charging in my area is all over the place. Restaurants, hotels, interstate rest areas. Electric cars are a reality now. It’s going to happening faster then you think pal.

While you continue to believe in fairy tails. Just how in the hell are electric cars going to replace gas, when their is no way to recharge them and keep driving???????????


and don't try to feed me that crap that folks will e happy to sit and wait 4 to 6 hours for their tanks to fill up so they can drive 200 miles. It ain't going to happen bro.

I guess you didn't think Trump was going to bring coal back. If you didn't, he sure conned a lot of people in coal country. But then conning people is what he does best.

The only thing you have shown is that as of now, EV's are only logical for local travel. But if you don't think the market will diversify to meet the demand you are wrong.

How many gas stations do you think were around when the car had only been around for a short time? History can be your helper old buddy.

Just an FYI. They are already exceeding 200 miles per charge. The Tesla Model 3 has gone all the way up to 310 miles per charge. Unless you're going on vacation or a long work trip, that's a as many or more miles than anyone will travel in a day.

They can charge these batteries now in 25-50 min. And already some new models are claiming nearly a 400mile range. That’s roughly 5 hours of driving. A 25-50 min break is typical stop while traveling long range. I’ve seen charging stations that can charge 75 mile range in 5 minutes. What’s your next excuse for failure?

Many who simply refuse to except that change is coming are far more interested in making excuses as to why it will never work rather than actually keep up with the technology which makes such things more viable.

They keep thinking that wind and solar haven't advanced and become more efficient and cheaper over time. They keep thinking that EV's can only travel 200 miles on a charge. They aren't willing to look into the advancements in shorter charging times.

They seem to think technology is stuck in some time warp. Maybe that's why they think auto makers are crazy for changing over to EV's?

The infrastructure at present is poor, no doubt. But as technology and innovation advance that will change.
1, more recharging places are being built
2, charging is becoming faster
3, how far you can go on a charge is increasing
4, there are companies looking at battery exchange station. You pull in and they remove your battery and replace it with a fully charged one. Takes 10-15 minutes to make the exchange.

Like it or not, gas is the present but electric is the future.

I never once said Trump would bring coal back. (Sorry bro you look bad again)



No you have to see that right now your WRONG. It;s just time you stand up, and admit your WRONG, which you are. Argue, bitch, and complain all you want your still wrong.

[quote}How many gas stations do you think were around when the car had only been around for a short time? History can be your helper old buddy. [/quote]


Look me in the eye and tell me that I'm wrong. Remember LOOK ME IN THE EYE

jc

Drivers wait for hours for charging station on black friday

Y'all need to quit picking on GM before you give him a stroke. I don't have an opinion on this except that GM is so old that 2050 might as well be 3030 as far as he is concerned. He will never get that electric motorcycle that will drive 1500 miles on a single charge, so why should he care? It's hard for older people, including me sometimes, to look at the future and believe anything good is coming from it.

I'm all for going green, but even I don't believe it will happen before it's too late because we as a people don't care about anything but ourselves, money, and what's in it for me. There are no patriots anymore, there are no game changing visionaries, there is only more of the same or worse and everything sucks when compared to a yesteryear that only exists in our old ass minds.

If it's to little to late, why worry about it?

Party like it's 1999.