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I have not watched enough of their games to know anything at all about Goff other than he was THE QB to tank for. He was the next Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning rolled into one the year he was coming out.

If you actually believe the 53 man roster means anything, you would have to take the supporting cast into consideration. I think that's where you'll find the causation that makes these QB's so much different.

Since 2017 Jared Goff has Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford had Matt Patricia.

I have no idea how the deal will end up working out.

I just think trying to judge QB's strictly on W/s and L's or on PFF grades is a superficial way of gauging them.

Probably because Stafford is way better than Goff.

He is. Unfortunately, I have to watch a lot more of the Lions than I care to where I live. Stafford is a gamer and leaves it all on the field every game. He puts up pretty good numbers given the atrocious teams and coaching he's had to play with. Hopefully he's got a few good years left in him and will be rewarded for his efforts.

Sorry, but Stafford is old, injured and overrated.

There is nothing special about him.

Dang, sounds like 2016 Andy Dalton I'm reading about. Where did he end up. (NoWhere-ville?)

I agree. Stafford is tough and a good QB. I think he’s basically had his career wasted

I understand, especially if you live in NW Ohio or Michigan.

I think Stafford has plenty of time left. The guy is 32, or maybe 33 at some point during this new season. There is no reason to think he can't play out another 4-5 year contract at a high level.

Add in all the rules changes that protect QB's from serious injury, the odds are even better.

Stand by your opinion all you want. By your metric, Trent Dilfer was a better QB. Barry Sanders wasn't a good running back.

Sure, winning counts but it isn't everything when talking about individual players and their ability.

j/c

When I heard about the trade I thought the Rams got fleeced.

There are easily a list of 10 other QB's in the NFL I would want starting ahead of Stafford and as the QB of my team. Some of those are ahead of Stafford because of age (Burrow for example makes the list - incidentally Brady doesn't make the list because of his age). Then there are a group of 4 or 5 other 'guys' I would put Stafford with.

Knowing that the first round picks aren't this year helps the trade a little. But man Rams better win it this year or next. Otherwise they flushed their team down the crapper for a few years and will need to rebuild. I like Stafford, I like how he plays, his attitude and ability. But he isn't worth the price of a starting QB (no matter how bad) two 1st and a 3rd.... three years ago? 2 years ago. Sure. It'd be a wash. At 32? With injuries? Nahh.

Lions are setting themselves up nicely to be a contender. Rams mortgaged their future and the price was high.

I think the picks are less for the player swap and more so the Rams don't have to deal with Goff's contract. I get that Stafford is better than Goff, but I don't think he's anywhere near THAT much better.

Yeah - I have seen this and can understand this angle. A bit like when we took on Osweiler.

Was it a different FO that signed Goff to that contract? idk. But even getting Goff's contract off your books - I think the price was high. It's literally win the SB / get to the SB - or this was a tragic, terrible mistake.

Archie Manning. That's all I'll say about that.

Totally agree on your last point. I believe it was the same FO (Les Snead)... that was mentioned earlier on. Same guy that did the Gurley contract.

Snead traded up for Goff in the draft, signed Gurley to the massive extension, AND signed Goff to the massive extension yet somehow still has a job. (He also traded a first round pick for Brandin Cooks and signed him to a huge extension.)

He is a rare GM. Heck I would have waited for the Cowboys to tag Prescott again, signed him off the franchise tag for two 1st's and two 3rd's, then traded Goff for a 2nd.

But...whatever.

No one is trading a second round pick for Goff. The Rams gave up more to get rid of him.

Rosen was traded to Dolphins for a 2nd rounder, so anything is possible.

Josh Rosen wasn’t getting paid $27 million a year.

Deshaun Watson Reportedly Has "Four or Five" Desired Trade Destinations
SEAN PENDERGAST | FEBRUARY 4, 2021 | 4:00AM
Deshaun Watson has four or five teams on his list of desired destinations in a trade.


As we sit here on Day 31 of Watson Watch, there are two things that have become quite evident over the last few weeks. First, Deshaun Watson has likely taken his last snap in a Texans uniform. Second, the trade market for Watson is going to be the most robust of any player put on the trade block (if and when the Texans start taking calls) in NFL history.

As of right now, the latest on Watson's stubborn mindset came from Chris Simms, former NFL quarterback turned broadcaster:

"I've been led to believe this - that there's no way that Deshaun Watson will play for the Houston Texans again," Simms said on PFT Live Monday. "Yeah, I'm saying that. I have been told by somebody that I trust that says 'Deshaun Watson will not play for the Houston Texans ever again, and he's willing to sit out football for the year if he has to.' That's where I've been led to understand this situation and where it's at right now, and like I said, it's someone that I trust very much."

There are at least a couple dozen teams that should minimally make a phone call to the Texans just to see what it would take to upgrade their quarterback position to the 25-year-old Watson. In reality, that couple dozen will be whittled down to probably five to, at most, ten teams that (a) have the desired capital for the Texans to pull the trigger, and (b) are enticing enough for Watson to waive his no-trade clause.

On Tuesday, we got our first inkling that Watson has actually thought through to the granular details of WHERE he would like to be sent in a deal. Mike Klis, longtime sports reporter in Denver, currently working for 9NEWS, said on 104.3 The Fan on Tuesday morning that the Broncos are among "four or five teams" on Watson's list of desired trade destinations:

For any NFL exec, coach, Texan fan, or media member dismissing this Watson trade saga as a media-driven or agent-driven fantasy, you might want to start taking this seriously. For what it's worth, if I had to guess which teams are the other four, aside from Denver, on Watson's list, I'd go with teams that have (a) high draft capital and (b) a quarterback who might come back to the Texans in a deal. To some degree, Watson is going to have to play nice, and entertain trade destinations that the Texans WANT to send him to.

I'd go with the following four teams:

NEW YORK JETS
Bright lights, big city. Watson would make a mint in marketing dollars in the Big Apple. The Jets have multiple first round picks in each of the next two drafts, and would also likely send reclamation project QB Sam Darnold back in the deal, as well.

MIAMI DOLPHINS
The Dolphins have multiple first round picks this year, including the 3rd overall pick that was originally the Texans' pick (sent to Miami in the Laremy Tunsil deal), and young players they can send over in a deal. Second year QB Tua Tagovailoa would likely be part of this deal, going to the Texans.

CAROLINA PANTHERS
Watson would be going back to the part of the country where he became a college football legend. The Panthers could send the Texans multiple picks, including the 8th overall pick, and would likely ship them QB Teddy Briudgewater as a veteran bridge to a young future quarterback.

SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
The 49ers were just a few minutes away from a Super Bowl win a year ago. If they had a real franchise QB, they might have won. The Niners would love to plunk Watson down into Kyle Shanahan's offense, and would send a package centered around the 12th overall pick in the draft, QB Jimmy Garoppolo, and possibly Pro Bowl defensive end Nick Bosa.

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/deshau...uxNxH3dzcfeWO0c

No doubt the FO is weighing that decision to pay Goff as well as Wentz's contract when it comes to the Mayfield extension. (Note: I might be slightly bullish on Wentz if he can stay healthy.)

Tough decisions on many fronts....trying to forecast future production under this offense, where Baker falls in line with other QBs in terms of ranking/value, how a potential contract determines other extensions they'd like to make (esp. during the "Covid Cap"), etc.

I'm sure I fall on an island with this one, but I feel that Baker is still immensely underrated.

I don't know that we've even grazed the surface with him.

I'm signing Baker asap for as much and as little as possible.

I think there comes a point where a team needs to hitch their wagon to a player and go with it for 5 years.

While Baker may not be everything to everybody, I think most everybody feels that he is good enough.

Hitch up the damn wagon and build a fearsome defense.

In my lifetime as a Browns fan, which is longer than most on this board, and even the Browns nation, we have never had a D that I was comfortable with when they were on the field. Most of those years, I was even fearful that somehow the D was going to screw it up.

We have the parts on O. Sure, we have to continue to add some to build depth and for the future, but quit screwing around and over thinking.

Build a friggen D! Let's go out and win something for once.

I would hope this is the case, that most everybody sees this.

I'm not implying he isn't good or disagree with you that he is underrated. I've been on on the Baker train since he was drafted. I just believe Wentz and Goff have made the FO wonder if Baker could fall into that bucket as well.

Baker had a subpar season in 2019 largely because of Kitchens and the O-Line. But it was still a subpar season nonetheless. I have to think that is being weighed to a degree.

well, they are still in the driver's seat, no matter what. Watson would have to choose to sit out, in which case the team would have grounds to recoup his salary and get cap relief. They aren't completely without tools to work with.

I think Carolina will offer quite a bit for Watson. Rhule seems like a guy who isn’t gun shy.

It will depend if Houston wants a stop gap QB in return, like Darnold or Jimmy G

Sorry. Didn't mean to single out your post. I knew that's what you were saying and I don't disagree. It's entirely plausible that he falters and turns into Goff/Wentz and becomes just an average QB who we'll need to replace.

I was more or less making a general comment about Baker. I've listened to the fan and they feel Watson is transcendent and could elevate the offense more than Baker. I've read numerous comments that Watson is SO much better than Baker.

Time will tell, but I believe Baker can be every bit as good as Watson if not better. Our front office is either entertaining the idea or laughing at all the talking heads suggesting we should go after Watson.

I think Baker is still going to surprise a lot of people.

Just wanted to point out that DeShaun Watson is actually younger than Baker.

Yes. And it's crazy to me that Darnold is only 23.

Yet he plays like he is 18

Corrected.

ANYONE suggesting we get Watson to replace Baker is literally just stirring the pot.

Baker and this offense got us to the divisional round, and if we had a Defense, we'd have gone to - and won - the AFC Championship and be in our first Super Bowl in two days. You simply do not make "mortgage the future" type moves to fix something that isn't broken.