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He ain't no fool.... lol laugh


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Isn’t Stanley coming off an injury too? That might be a big loss for Baltimore


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Wow, it will be interesting to see what they get in a trade package.

Ravens will be all-in next year to try to win a SB before they have to start paying Lamar mega $$$.

It's going to be hard to replace Orlando's production for only $3M they will save by trading him.

Almost need to try to get a RT in return. I definitely think this will hurt them next year though. Good news for us.

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He should call around to other team members to see who is on his side, build alliances against each other over who should be LT, tweet more about how the coaches disrespect him and don't understand talent, sew all kinds of discord in the locker room between players and players and coaches... then get traded to the NFC


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The LT position pays more money. He played the position well. An NFL players career can end on the next snap. I promote everyone who tries to maximize their income in any profession. It's not as if NFL owners aren't maximizing their income from the players playing the game. Life is a two way street.


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I give him props for coming back and showing up after a pretty poor overall 2019 performance. Too many would let that year sink the next several years (and possibly their careers), but Hubbard came back and contributed as a top-end backup at a number of positions. Restructured his contract in order to (allegedly) stay on the roster. When he wasn't a starter, he filled an important (and often-used) role as 6th lineman.

While I do give him props, it's hard to ignore that we also had a whole bunch of young linemen who were also able to step up and play well, even if for short periods.


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That's the biggest reason I give him props. His deal was restructured. If he was receiving the money he was getting as a starting RT to be a multi position back up the cost wouldn't be justified.

But having someone that can step in and start on a moments notice without creating havoc does have value. And from where I sit it's a good investment at the cost and he earned his pay.

That's the thing about the NFL. You may have a handful of what people would regard as star players on your roster. The rest of the players perform a lesser role. With how common injuries are it often boils down to your depth as to whether you end up being a playoff team.


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The LT position pays more money. He played the position well. An NFL players career can end on the next snap. I promote everyone who tries to maximize their income in any profession. It's not as if NFL owners aren't maximizing their income from the players playing the game. Life is a two way street.

The highest paid RT in the game would be 4th on the list of LTs.. it's not like the difference is all that dramatic.

The highest paid RT in the NFL right now is at $18 million a year, the highest paid LT is at $23 million.. is Orlando Brown the best LT in the game? Is he the best RT? He's probably going to fall in the $20 million/year range either way.

So is this really about money? Is it about his comfort level with the position? Is it about the "prestige" of playing LT verses RT?


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I don't know for sure. But if you consider say two million more dollars a year on a four year deal that's eight million dollars. Now that may not be the only factor involved but one would certainly think that's one factor that's involved. You can slice it any way you like, but I bet the tenth best LT makes more money than the tenth best RT.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I don't know for sure. But if you consider say two million more dollars a year on a four year deal that's eight million dollars. Now that may not be the only factor involved but one would certainly think that's one factor that's involved. You can slice it any way you like, but I bet the tenth best LT makes more money than the tenth best RT.

Yes, as you move down the list of LT/RT contracts the difference becomes larger.

I can only imagine being in that position but there are a lot of factors that would play into it for me, money is only one of them.. It's easy to say as somebody who doesn't make near that much money but is my life going to be substantially better on $25 million a year than it would be on $18 million a year? Do I want to play RT for the Ravens and have a good chance of being in the playoffs every year or do I want to risk being traded to the Jets to play LT where I might never see the playoffs again? Then about 10 other things...


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The Browns need to bring back their top 8 offensive linemen, including Lamm.


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I don't know for sure. But if you consider say two million more dollars a year on a four year deal that's eight million dollars. Now that may not be the only factor involved but one would certainly think that's one factor that's involved. You can slice it any way you like, but I bet the tenth best LT makes more money than the tenth best RT.

Yes, as you move down the list of LT/RT contracts the difference becomes larger.

I can only imagine being in that position but there are a lot of factors that would play into it for me, money is only one of them.. It's easy to say as somebody who doesn't make near that much money but is my life going to be substantially better on $25 million a year than it would be on $18 million a year? Do I want to play RT for the Ravens and have a good chance of being in the playoffs every year or do I want to risk being traded to the Jets to play LT where I might never see the playoffs again? Then about 10 other things...


Is my life going to be substantially better on $80k per year versus $70k per year?

It's all a sliding scale, and we all want more, even if we're comfortable with where we're at now. All of us need to get as much as we can while we can so we can get to the point of being able to stop working, or in his case, when the game stops, he can rest easy(ier).


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Superstar tipped for blockbuster trade that would give Brady even MORE firepower

February 11, 2021 4:38pm
by GREG JOYCE
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An annual rite of the NFL off-season has begun: Odell Beckham Jr. trade speculation.
The Browns wide receiver, who is currently rehabbing a torn ACL, was name dropped Thursday on ESPN when asked who could be the next star to join Tom Brady and the Super Bowl champion Buccaneers in Tampa Bay.

“I’m going to say it, but there is a caveat that comes with it — I’m going to say Odell Beckham Jr.,” ESPN reporter Jeff Darlington said on “Get Up!”

“I’m going to say that because of the relationship between Tom Brady and Odell. Fully understanding that this would take a lot to actually make this happen. Keep in mind that Tom Brady did not, before the start of this season, pitch [general manager] Jason Licht on the idea of Odell coming down to [Tampa], despite the fact that those guys would like to play together at some point.”

Months after the Giants traded him to the Browns in 2019, Beckham admitted he had heard the speculation that he could be dealt to the Patriots and that he would have been up for it.

“That was always a dream of mine to play for Tom Brady,” Beckham said in 2019 during his first season in Cleveland.

Now Brady is in Tampa and has brought some of his favourite targets with him, reuniting with Rob Gronkowski and Antonio Brown last fall. The 43-year-old Super Bowl MVP had plenty of weapons at his disposal on the way to a seventh ring, with most of them expected to return, although Chris Godwin, Gronkowski and Brown are all set to be free agents.

“I say this because I could see going into this off-season, with Odell being in a situation where it feels like perhaps he’s more expendable to the Browns than he was last year, that perhaps Jason Licht would take the call,” Darlington said. “But to all these points, I’m also told they really do like where they stand with Chris Godwin, with Mike Evans, with Antonio Brown if they can bring him back. If something changes, though, that would be the one I’d be watching.”


The Browns have consistently denied trade speculation involving Beckham since he arrived in Cleveland, with the latest rebuttal coming in November shortly after he tore his ACL and NFL Network reported there was a “very real possibility that he has played his final game with the Cleveland Browns.”

“I feel like this is a question I’ve literally addressed every week since I took the job,” GM Andrew Berry said at the time. “So really at this point in time, I really don’t see a difference.”


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14 Left Tackles average 13 million/year or more on their salary cap commitment.

3 Right Tackles.

It's not even close. The 14th RT makes half of that at 6.5 million/average (Marcus Cannon). Half.

And Jack Conklin is the 3rd RT (still worth it).




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That’s not much for a guy that was the MVP favorite a few years ago.

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Eagles blinked...

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Eagles blinked...


Somewhat. This whole off-season is going to be a game of musical chairs and you don’t want to be left without a chair.

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Eagles give up in order to get Wentz:
first, third, and fourth-round picks in 2016
first-round pick in 2017
second-round pick in 2018.

Eagles get in order to ship Wentz:
2021 third
2020 second (conditional)

Yikes!


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Conditional for 2022 but I got ya. Typos.

Still too much. I wouldn't have offered anything smile


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too bad we don't play thee Colts again.


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Good spot for Wentz to land. Maybe Reich can fix him. Looks like basically a 1 year tryout and then Colts can decide on his future with the team.

Eagles should be happy to get out from under the contract and possibly land a 1st round pick in return.

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Eww...the conditional 2nd in 20222 actually is a minimum. It becomes a 1st if he plays 75% of the snaps.

*spit.

Wentz's 33.82 million dead cap immediately becomes the largest dead cap hit ever. Accounting for over 18% of the anticipated total cap this year. Higher than all but a couple QB's I believe.

Amazingly, he will still cost the Colts 25.4 million in cap space, making him a 59.22 million dollar man for at least one season.





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Or 70% of the snaps and the team makes the playoffs.

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And if Reich can fix him it turns out to be a steal.

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So what was this trade... actually?

Was it Wentz getting acquired by Colts, or Philly getting rid of Wentz?

The Goff-Stafford trade seemed to be more the Rams getting out from under Goff and made facilitated by Stafford wanting out of Detroit.

The compensation seems to be the Colts wanting to get Wentz.


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He's been over-rated from Day 1. Dinker and dunker who can only see the middle of the field.

Indy better stock up on TE's and TY Hilton needs to get away from there as fast as he can.

Apparently, Sashi and DePo got another one correct.

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And if Reich can fix him it turns out to be a steal.


He isn't/wasn't broken...there is nothing to be fixed...he is what he is. In other words, he's just not good.

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Eagles now have the ammo to move up in the draft (they can dangle their 2022 1st in anticipation of probably getting one right back.

Their 1st this year, their 1st next year and Indy's 3rd this year. They move up for free. smile


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And if Reich can fix him it turns out to be a steal.


He isn't/wasn't broken...there is nothing to be fixed...he is what he is. In other words, he's just not good.


Carson Wentz in 2017 and Carson Wentz in 2020 are not the same player. If he didn’t get hurt in 2017 he wins the MVP.

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Eagles blinked...



Or reflected on the matter and realized they weren't getting a Stafford type deal.


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This is probably Wentz’s true value because the Eagles aren’t getting anything back. Stafford’s price was inflated because the Lions took on Goff’s contract. Stafford true value is more what the Panthers offered (the 8th pick and Bridgewater).

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This is a good spot for Wentz. I think Reich has alot more to do with eagles success than Pederson did.. def. bigger hand in how Wentz played. If Wentz can't make it here he will go the way of Leaf


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Wentz might be good with Riech... I think Pederson really didn't help carson

He also didn't have like a big bodied wide receiver who could bail him out

He's a tall guy with a big arm. And he wants to throw the ball that way. So a lot of times. when things aren't open, he'll just try and play a lot of hero ball.
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Brett Kollman did a great job of what went wrong with wentz... I feel that if reich can reign him in... they might have a top 10 statistical qb on their hands

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He had the best 1-2 TE combo in the league for a while.

Bigger bodies than thee Browns have. Johnny football needed a massive/Techmo Bowl receiver to bail him out all through college. That's usually not a good thing.


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I wouldn't give a Ham Sandwich for any gameplay I've yet seen from Carson Wentz.
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Say bye bye to the Colts as a playoff threat.

Can't let Watt go to the Bills
Go get Watt just to stay ahead of the Bills.


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exactly... low risk for the Colts.. didn't give up much for a guy who potentially could be their answer at QB for the next several years.


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All places are tough places to play, but Philly might be tougher than most.

A change of scenery has done wonders for many players. Maybe this will be one of those times.


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All those 1st round QB's:

2009:
Stafford- Traded
Mark Sanchez- Toast
Josh Freeman- Toast
2010:
Sam Bradford- Traded before toasted
Tim Tebow- Ouch*
2011:
Cam Newton- Toast
Jake Locker- eww
Blaine Gabbert- ahhh
Christian Ponder- oh yeah, I like the pain.
2012:
Andrew Luck- golfing
RGIII- yep
Ryan Tannehill- cut (oops)
Brandon don't make me say his name...
2013:
EJ Manuel- haha, forgot about him
2014:
Blake Bortles- Toast
Johnny Frickin...ugh
Teddy Bridgewater- cut, traded, and again
2015:
Jameis Winston- toast
Marcus Mariotta- bit of a pattern here...
2017
Jared Goff- Traded
Carson Wentz- traded
Paxton Lynch...yikes

From 2008, Flacco has been garbage for years and more than Likely even Matt Ryan will be somewhere else come 2022.

Rough stretch. The golden age of QB play may be quickly winding down with the old men slowly retiring.


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I would say that the QBing is better than ever with some of the younger guys. Mahomes, Watson, Allen, Murray, Brady, Baker, Herbert, and Burrow are a strong group.

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I was just going to make a similar post. There is more elite talent about to emerge from this young group than what we had with the Brady/Rogers/Ben/Manning/Rivers generation. For a while, it didn't seem like we were ever going to get another elite qb.


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