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Two Members of the Proud Boys Indicted for Conspiracy, Other Charges Related to the Jan. 6 Riots

One defendant facing additional charges of obstructing an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting or impeding officers

WASHINGTON— Two members of the Proud Boys, a nationalist organization, were indicted today in federal court in the District of Columbia for conspiring to obstruct law enforcement, among other charges.

Dominic Pezzola, 43, of Rochester, New York, and William Pepe, 31, of Beacon, New York, were indicted today in federal court in the District of Columbia on charges of conspiracy; civil disorder; unlawfully entering restricted buildings or grounds; and disorderly and disruptive conduct in restricted buildings or grounds. Pezzola was also charged with obstruction of an official proceeding; additional counts of civil disorder and aiding and abetting civil disorder; robbery of personal property of the United States; assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers; destruction of government property; and engaging in physical violence in a restricted buildings or grounds.

Pepe and Pezzola were originally charged by criminal complaint and arrested on Jan. 12 and 15, respectively.

According to the charging documents, Pezzola and Pepe are members of the Proud Boys, a group self-described as a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists.” Proud Boys members often wear the colors yellow and black, as well as other apparel adorned with Proud Boys-related logos and emblems. It is alleged that both Pepe and Pezzola possess tactical vests branded with the Proud Boys logo, and have attended various Proud Boys gatherings and protests.

According to the indictment, Pezzola and Pepe engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct, influence, impede, and interfere with law enforcement officers engaged in their official duties in protecting the U.S. Capitol and its grounds on Jan. 6, 2021. It is alleged that Pezzola and Pepe took actions to evade and render ineffective the protective equipment deployed by Capitol Police in active riot control measures, including actions to remove temporary metal barricades erected by the Capitol Police for the purpose of controlling access to the Capitol Grounds, and the stealing and purloining of property belonging to Capitol Police.

It is further alleged that Pezzola confronted a Capitol Police officer attempting to control the crowd and ripped away the officer’s riot shield, while the officer was physically engaging with individuals who had gathered unlawfully in the west plaza of the Capitol. Pezzola can be seen on video that has been widely distributed, using that riot shield to smash a window at the U.S. Capitol.

The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section. Valuable assistance was provided by the U.S. Attorneys’ Offices for the Western and Southern Districts of New York. The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office, with assistance by the FBI’s Buffalo Field Office and the FBI’s New York Field Office.

The ATF and FBI continue to urge the public to report suspected use of explosive devices, or violent, destructive acts associated with the recent unrest. Anyone with information can call 1-888-ATF-TIPS (1-888-283-8477), email ATFTips@atf.gov or submit information anonymously via ReportIt.com.

The FBI is looking for individuals who may have incited or promoted violence of any kind. Anyone with digital material or tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or submit images or videos at fbi.gov/USCapitol.

The charges contained in the complaint are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-m...ted-jan-6-riots


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"Unprecedented" in FBI history: What we know about the Capitol riot arrests

By Clare Hymes, Cassidy McDonald, Eleanor Watson

January 29, 2021 / 5:47 PM / CBS News

America watched as hordes of rioters broke into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 — crushing through windows, pressing up stairways, and sending both lawmakers and law enforcement running for their lives. The flood of protestors who streamed into the Capitol that day left federal prosecutors with an equally immense task: finding and charging those responsible.

Earlier this month, Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin said, "The scope and scale of this investigation in these cases are really unprecedented, not only in FBI history but probably DOJ history."

So far, federal prosecutors have charged at least 172 people for their alleged roles in the riot and opened over 400 investigations into possible criminals.

As law enforcement continues to round up alleged attackers, here's what CBS News has learned about the people who were arrested:
How many have been charged?

As of Friday, authorities had charged at least 172 people in federal court, and at least 13 of those were also indicted by grand juries.
How many have served in the military?

At least 15 of those arrested are veterans and two are currently serving in the Army Reserve, according to military service records obtained by CBS News.

Of the 17, seven have served in the U.S. Army, seven served in the Marines, two served in the Navy and one served in the Air Force.

The Army Reserve shared the following statement with CBS News: "The U.S. Army Reserve takes all allegations of Soldier or Army civilian involvement in extremist groups seriously and will address this issue in accordance with Army regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to ensure due process. Extremist ideologies and activities directly oppose our values and beliefs and those who subscribe to extremism have no place in our ranks."
Where did they come from?

The rioters come from at least 39 states outside of Washington, D.C. Among those arrested whose home states were known, the most were from Texas and New York, with 18 Texans and 14 New Yorkers charged so far. Other well-represented states include Florida, with 13 arrested, and California, with 11 arrested. New Jersey has nine arrests, and Virginia has eight.
How many have worked in law enforcement?

At least four people worked as law enforcement officers at the time they allegedly took part in the riot, and all have since left their jobs. Houston police officer Tam Dinh Pham and Monmouth County correctional police officer Marissa Suarez both resigned after they were arrested, and two Virginia police officers were fired after prosecutors charged them for their alleged conduct at the Capitol.
How many have extremist affiliations?

Authorities have connected at least 22 alleged rioters to extremist groups, including the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, Texas Freedom Force and the conspiracy group QAnon.
How many were women?

While those arrested in the January 6 mob were mostly men, at least 20 women have been arrested for their alleged participation.
How old were those arrested?

Among the 46 defendants whose ages are known, the average age was 42. The youngest known alleged rioter is 20-year-old Emanuel Jackson, a Maryland man who prosecutors say hit police officers with a bat. The oldest was 70-year-old Lonnie Coffman, an Alabama man who authorities say brought a car full of weapons and explosives to Washington, D.C.
Common charges

A large portion of the alleged rioters have been charged with minor crimes such as misdemeanor trespassing, but prosecutors plan to add charges for more serious felonies as evidence becomes available. Sherwin said that "almost all" of the cases federal prosecutors have charged involved "significant federal felonies" with potential sentences ranging from five to 20 years.

Federal prosecutors charged at least 83 people with "violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds," a crime that carries a possible sentence of no more than six months in prison, or up to five years if paired with a weapons violation.

At least 15 people were arrested for allegedly assaulting an officer, a crime with penalties ranging from one to 20 years, depending on the circumstances of the assault. Prosecutors said Tuesday that once they have time to review body camera footage, they expect to charge more people with crimes related to assaulting police.

At least seven people were charged with theft of government property, including Aaron Mostofsky, who was photographed with a U.S. Capitol police riot shield and bulletproof vest and faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.
How many were released?

At least 55 people have been sent home after posting bail or agreeing to supervised release.
How much evidence exists?

Federal law enforcement has issued more than 500 grand jury subpoenas and search warrants, and the FBI has fielded more than 200,000 digital media tips from people hoping to share evidence of the riot.
Recent updates on notable cases

The FBI increased the reward offered for information leading to the arrest of the person or persons who left pipe bombs in Washington, D.C. January 6.

A Capitol rioter known as the "QAnon Shaman" offered to testify at former President Trump's upcoming impeachment trial.

A federal judge Sunday blocked the release of alleged rioter Eric Munchel, dubbed "the zip tie guy" on social media after a photo appeared to show him with plastic handcuffs and tactical gear.

A New York man was charged Monday after people from his town recognized a high school varsity jacket he allegedly wore to the Capitol riot.
What happens next?

Sherwin said Tuesday that the swift rate of arrests will soon begin to plateau as prosecutors move away from charging the easily identifiable "internet stars" who appeared in photos and on social media and begin to build more complicated conspiracy cases related to militia groups' coordination during the attack.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-rio...inkId=110321010


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Good.

Thank God they didn't set off a bomb, right?

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It wasn't due to lack of effort.

$100,000 reward for man who planted pipe bombs at DNC, RNC headquarters night before Capitol riot

The FBI released new photos of the man with one of the pipe bombs and a timing device.

WASHINGTON — The FBI is still searching for the person they believe set two pipe bombs at the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee headquarters the night before the U.S. Capitol riot.

The FBI and ATF increased the reward on Friday to $100,000 for information on the suspect seen in a still photo taken from video in the area. The pipe bombs were placed between 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. on January 5, said the FBI.

New photos released Friday show one of the pipe bombs as well as what looks like a timing device, and the suspect's shoes, identified by the FBI as Nike Air Max Speed Turf shoes in yellow, black, and gray.

FBI releases new photos of suspect in pipe bomb incident near the US Capitol

Five people lost their lives and dozens were injured when pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, Jan. 6. Two police officers have also died by suicide in the weeks following the attack.

Thousands of Trump supporters surrounded the U.S. Capitol following a rally on the National Mall to protest unfounded claims of election fraud in which the President told the crowd to 'fight like hell', and that if they didn’t they were “not going to have a country anymore.”

The mob forced its way in while a joint session of Congress led by Vice President Mike Pence was being held to certify the electoral college vote, confirming Joe Biden’s presidency. The rioters smashed windows, pushed back police lines and scaled the walls of the Capitol, gaining entry as far as the House and Senate Chambers where the historic vote had been happening just minutes before.

The looters ransacked offices of leaders like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and damaged or stole property throughout the complex.

The building was locked down for more than 4 hours, key members of government were ushered away by armed security to safe locations while other Congressmen and women and their aides barricaded in their offices, fearful for their safety.

More than a dozen people have been charged with federal crimes, but the FBI is still working to identify many other rioters. Anyone with tips can call 1-800- 225-5324 or submit images or videos at fbi.gov/USCapitol.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/nation...1b-1ebf8cdcb979


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https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/woman...ck-lives-matter

She deployed a bomb in the senate, yet Clinton pardoned her.


And she was rewarded with not just a pardon (granted, after 16 years) she's a top BLM associate. https://www.newswars.com/1983-flashback-top-blm-associate-detonated-bomb-in-us-capitol-building/

https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-astounding-susan-rosenberg-case-and-the-logic-of-the-left

Those that stormed the capital a few weeks ago deserve what they'll get, no doubt.

But don't ignore what happened previously.

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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm talking about what our nation is facing right now. What you seem to be indicating is that the acts of an individual are the same as hundreds at least storming our capital to overturn an election which would instal a dictatorship.

You thought you had a "gotchya moment" and it didn't work out for you.

Yes, crazy individuals can be dangerous. They should be dealt with. But we're talking about a movement here, not just an individual crack pot here and there.

Surely even you can tell the difference.


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I didn't think I had anything other than a factual recount of what happened in 1983, and how the lady got a pardon, and now has a damn good job apparently.

But, I forgot who I replied to. My bad.

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Can stress, My intuition is that,

the bad guys who stormed the capital, would a had no reason to,
if the power brokers on the charade of representation,

had even made a half hearted attempt or given even lip service to the now
ignored and superseded,

rights, freedoms, liberties, and more, i.e. protocols of administration of processes, spelled out in the U.S. Constitution, which is supposed to be the governing document of the USA.

Well, What the DOJ and FBI says goes, and everybody is on board.

As long as we disagree on what the coup means, I'll say, maybe all we had was a revealing, a revalation, of who is in charge,
and whether that's a new thing or it's been ongoing, well it really doesn't matter.

Yet, Now we realize who is in control, the question is, for me anyway is, how far away is the (well the shot caller so to speak).

Does that make sense, I mean I realize I got to comply and forget stuff about freedoms because the deep state tells me to,
to the multi layers of, let's just say trillons, but the question is who is on top, nobody knows.

So, as long as we have a split between the US constitution, and the US constitution, and one of them is a paper document, and one of them is a monolithical system claiming they can't be compromised,

and enforcement dictates compliance, and get on board, or else, then whether a "coup" was successful, is a matter of interpretation,
and who would have committed it, also is,

The one thing that's pretty clear is, what was in 1999, (or pick a time in the past) and what is in 2021, they just ain't the same.

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You need to do something about the tweety birds circling your head. You don’t make much sense.


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Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


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What we do know.

I do know there was a previous rally to support Trump prior to January 6th, and many showed up and no buildings were breached.

I do know they were supposedly invited back, (come have another rally ) and it seemed govt led,
(Ok, some speculation ^ on my part in that one)

I do know the story that morning was 2 stories back to back,
1. Proud boys say to stay away from this one because it's supposedly a set up to arrest protesters, was on my radio, local am radio station.
2. not less than 5 minutes later the T.V is broadcasting that some (name person here) from the proud boys was under arrest, fbi had arrested him when he went to Washington and got off a bus, (charged with burning a black lives matter flag a couple weeks before)- funny that story disappeared real quick.

Those were way before the afternoon, they were about 9 am, and at 9am, no buildings had been breached.

So,
this kind of thing is done all the time.

(like the beastie boys song, sabotage)

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The radio has said, Pelosi wanted to install mahchine gun nests at the capital,
I think she is losing sanity and is very dangerous for America.

But then, nobody better not say anything bad about Pelosi, because we don't know,

when the real crackdown begins.

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So this question presumes,
OH just sunshine, candyland and rainbows from the left in this country

presume, leftist control of government has no effect on people who live in this country.

OK, well unfortunately, some people have to live--- in, inside this country, under all the wacko
Bull
that these marie antoinettes keep imposing

so if you want to presume altruism from the liars on the left,
then maybe democrat policies haven't effected you and yours yet,

but there's more than you and me, that live in this country.

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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?



Where were you when they breached the capitol during the Kavanaugh trial? Where were you when they were burning parts of DC and destroying federal buildings?

Antifa trashes and burns cities, injures innocent people, attacks police, and you same people brush it off as a "protest' I am sick of the hypocrisy.

Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris all incited people to act violently on Trump supporters. But not a peep from any of you


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I don't think you are paying attention. At least not to what people on this board write/wrote. Oh well.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


Trolled me good with that post.
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2 presuppositions about Trump Supporters in the body of that post.
I don't know what anybody did on January 6th, just that there are attempts to shut down parler and silence the right afterwards.

and. I am not a communist.

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I didn't think I had anything other than a factual recount of what happened in 1983, and how the lady got a pardon, and now has a damn good job apparently.

But, I forgot who I replied to. My bad.


It has nothing to do with who you responded to. This woman did a horrific thing. As such she was arrested, tried and convicted. She served 16 years in prison.

I'm against the fact that she was pardoned. She is no less of a domestic terrorist than those who stormed the capital on Jan. 6th and certainly no less a domestic terrorist than the person who planted those pipe bombs. The only difference is they found those pipe bombs before they exploded.

We are now over 37 years removed from that incident. It has nothing to do with this thread and I've always been in favor of finding, putting those arrested on trial and convicting those who are guilty whether that be during the summer riots or this latest attempted overthrow of our election process and a peaceful transfer of power.

I would hope that you could see the difference between people being involved in a riot and people trying to overthrow our elections but then from your posts in this thread I must have forgotten who I'm replying to.


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Originally Posted By: Steubenvillian
Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris all incited people to act violently on Trump supporters. But not a peep from any of you


Please show us where that happened and good luck with that.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


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And we saw 21st century tactics on Jan. 6th.





what happened to blue lives matter?


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The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.


Only nobody actually did that. That's all in your head. You can be a protestor and not be involved in a riot. You can be a protestor and not be trying to stop a free election by installing a dictatorship. There are other words for that besides protest or riot.

Many people on January 6th were protestors. They protested on the street and did not get involved in an insurrection. There were many BLM protestors who did not get involved in a riot.

See how easy that is?


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The radio has said, Pelosi wanted to install mahchine gun nests at the capital,
I think she is losing sanity and is very dangerous for America.

But then, nobody better not say anything bad about Pelosi, because we don't know,

when the real crackdown begins.



Yes because your side is not insane or dangerous... rolleyes

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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


I think a better question for you is this:

What if those protesters had been Muslim-Americans? Dark skinned and turbans but all American citizens and not foreign based?


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He's already admitted that it isn't about what you did, it's about where you're from.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


I think a better question for you is this:

What if those protesters had been Muslim-Americans? Dark skinned and turbans but all American citizens and not foreign based?



How many what if's are we going to discuss?

Obviously anything I say the board mob is going to go wild.

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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


I think a better question for you is this:

What if those protesters had been Muslim-Americans? Dark skinned and turbans but all American citizens and not foreign based?



How many what if's are we going to discuss?

Obviously anything I say the board mob is going to go wild.

See ya


You dodging that question says everything.


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Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


So let me get this straight.

An Iranian based terrorist that in your hypothetical, would have traveled to Washington DC. and stood up for following the US Constituion by calling out the democrats hypocrisy and lies, and call for Mike Pence to follow the rules and dismiss electoral votes from states who did not follow their state legislatures' processes,

Then cheered trump, and then watched along while Antifa, or FBI plants, or whomever, broke into the capital, and duped this hypo. Iranian based terrorist group to follow along, would I feel the same way?

(I think the iranians would be too experienced to fall for the trap) 1st,
and 2nd I don't have any "so easy on them" opinion in the first place.

let's hypothetical this way, If it had been black lives matter marchers,
and this was the Trump white house, and (pick a speaker to speak to the crowd) had spoke
and the Trump Admin, holding BLM flags broke into their own Whitehouse, and manipultated the crowd think of the marchers to follow along indoors to the whitehouse,
then following, had sought all that we've seen to silence the left from Big Tech, and have the FBI seek out 400 for arrest
and have all big media say portray the Republicans as this victim ... (and seek to impeach the (insert speaker in front of crowd),

Well see, Here! at this point the analogy breaks down, because I can't make the Trump White house, (which is actually trying to make things better for all Americans' and people who live in the USA, and had record low unemployment and a booming economy, and put America before China, and had favorable trade deals and kept the US out of wars in the middle east, and on and on and on,

anything like the Leftist, Democrats, who are superseding the constitution, and overtaking the expressed will of the People of the USA by fraudulently changing the results of a Presidential Election, so the Loser becomes the winner, (so that every Americans' vote becomes moot),
and the necessity that showing up to raise awareness of that, would require a showing up, among other things, to make the politicians stand up and take notice,
that the people, have noticed,

even then I would not have any opinion of "would you be so easy on them," one way or the other.

I can't equate the Trump Admin, who I believe Loves America,
with the Democrats, who I believe, (even if they feign love for America, act in the interests of billionaires, China, the multi national Kabul of big money and science / climate cult religion)----
and if 50, or 60 lines down the page they get back to observing the best interests of America, and Americans, they'll reluctantly give it lip service, (throw a bone), so that they are very dangerous to freedom and prosperity; yet we're under their thumb.

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Maxine Waters, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris all incited people to act violently on Trump supporters. But not a peep from any of you


Please show us where that happened and good luck with that.


Here's the video of Maxine Waters...


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Talk radio plays the Kamala Harris clip(s), 4 nights a week, it's something like
they need to beware
and, this will continue before the election, and after the election,

and, and it should continue

are parts of what she says.

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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


Trolled me good with that post.
and
2 presuppositions about Trump Supporters in the body of that post.
I don't know what anybody did on January 6th, just that there are attempts to shut down parler and silence the right afterwards.

and. I am not a communist.


I guess I stung you pretty well with my question judging by your topic changing and history re writing responses.

With you it's always a, "they did this, so what if we do that" kinda thing

Try answering the question..


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


I think a better question for you is this:

What if those protesters had been Muslim-Americans? Dark skinned and turbans but all American citizens and not foreign based?



How many what if's are we going to discuss?

Obviously anything I say the board mob is going to go wild.

See ya


You dodging that question says everything.


I am not dodging the question. I would do what we are doing now. You haven't heard me saying they shouldn't have shot that woman. You haven't heard me say we shouldn't seek out people. We should also seek out others from other events.


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I had no idea a verbal confrontation was violence. #snowflakes


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Swish
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Jester
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the acts of Jan 6th.

If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that did exactly what the Proud Boys and other Trump supporter did on the 6th, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be easy on those that committed these acts and to those that incited them to do it?


First, i don't excuse it.

Now as to your question..if it was a foreign based operation, I wouldn't view it as a protest, as I view this.

The events of the last several years have taught me that governing bodies and democrats have changed their views on what is a protest and what is a riot, so I have changed as well.

Simply carrying a sign and chanting some slogan doesn't cut it anymore. Those are 20th century tactics.


I think a better question for you is this:

What if those protesters had been Muslim-Americans? Dark skinned and turbans but all American citizens and not foreign based?



How many what if's are we going to discuss?

Obviously anything I say the board mob is going to go wild.

See ya


You dodging that question says everything.


I am not dodging the question. I would do what we are doing now. You haven't heard me saying they shouldn't have shot that woman. You haven't heard me say we shouldn't seek out people. We should also seek out others from other events.


Do you mean like this?

AP tally: Arrests at widespread US protests hit 10,000

https://apnews.com/article/bb2404f9b13c8b53b94c73f818f6a0b7


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Don't forget about the teargas.


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You don't want to recognize the answer.
" I am not a communist", ask why be easy, blah blah?

that is open ended, I can chose any whim I like,

I say be easy because I think " a tiger got him" is one possible yet highly asinine and preposterous answer to the question, "how did Kennedy die."

( You see this is a reference to a comedy skit, where there was a fictional game show where the contestant had to explain the Kennedy Assination theories in 3 seconds or less, and the first contestant stammered through theories and ran out of time.)

The point is, if it's a "possible answer", just because you don't want to hear it, doesn't mean it's not an answer, " I am not a communist"

The 2nd contestant, rang in with, " A tiger got him" and won because his theory, no matter how absurd, was able to be expressed so quickly.

I never forget that answer.

(To just ask someone why, well why is very open, look at the Grinch, it could be because his shoes were too tight, or his head wasn't screwed on right, but a why answer can be any reason whatsoever.

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Another highly asinine answer is Ted Cruz dad was linked to the JFK assassination but you helped elect the guy who said that.


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Here is a question for all those that want to excuse the democrats.
If it had been an Iranian based terrorist group that stole the election on November 3rd, would you be so easy on them? Probably not. So why be accepting of those that commited this act and squelch speech to protect their lie?

Truth doesn't need to silence opposition, because the truth doesn't need to change it's story, nor have 100% agreement in a falsehood to pretend in something that didn't happen.
The democrats need to silence opposition, because everyone knows the democrats exist in a lie.

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There's only one problem with what you posted. Nobody stole the election.


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