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The only radical folks I see here are deplorable trump supporters who still support that pos.

The AOC and McConnell parts gave me a chuckle.

But the bull cartoon hits a little closer to accurate. You have senators (the Cruz's, Graham's, etc) that are doing the math of how many votes they can/can't stand to lose by dropping support for a guy that's being impeached for instigating a coup.

It kinda boggles the mind, actually.

It’s a very simple question that trump supporters can’t seem to answer without a spin job:

If trump didn’t spend his entire time claiming the election was rigged and fraudulent and conceded, would the riots have happened?

We all know the answer to that question.

Also, the impeachment is constitutional simply because he was impeached in the house prior to leaving office. So him being out off office now is irrelevant.

Listened off and on today again - maybe 40 minutes total.

Having done jury duty - I know the prosecutors spend too much time telling you, telling you again, reframing and telling you once more. I get that. I just find it a bit annoying.

But they did a very good job and tied it all together and laid it out plain as day for any thinking individual. Relaying exactly what happened in MI as a result of his words and planned attack & violence on the MI Governor - showing that there is a foreseeable consequence to his words. The calculated way in which lay all the fear mongering and repeated the lie of a stolen election over and over. His words. The words of those that have served him including Kelly, stating in plain English the attack was a direct result of Trump, his words, tweets and actions. Trump's non-response to the attack, not calling for it to stop, not tweeting - literally loving it. The lack of remorse (ever) the video from the evening of the attack telling those that carried out the attack that he loved them. The calls to keep delaying the certification of the votes DYURING the attack.

It's not even close. I think the Democratic house managers did such a good job I would not be surprised if a couple of Republicans grow a spine. Not enough - because there's too many scumby POS like Hawley, Cruz and Graham ... but some. We'll see.

Precisely.
I made this point a couple days ago, rendering moot any argument od constitutionality. The defense team and supporting GOP senatorial cast have claimed that you can't impeach a POTUS who is already out of office. Fact: he was impeached a full week before his term expired. Trial is a separate process, not beholden to terms of office or timeline.

Contitutionality: a moot point, not rooted in law, precedent or practice.

I will watch tomorrow.
I'm interested to see what game Team 45* brings.

I would.
I expect from them the exact same thing I've seen from them all along.

GOP Senators Criticized For Not Paying Rapt Attention, Enthralled by Impeachment Trial


By Rick Moran

Feb 11, 2021
(Senate TV via AP)

Some Republican Senators are being criticized for not sitting in rapt attention as Democrats make their case for impeachment. One Republican was seen chewing gum on the floor. Another was nodding off (just like half the viewers).

The Hill’s Alexander Bolton reports that “Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was spotted tracing the watermark of the Capitol on a legal pad while Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) appeared to read a magazine article and Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-Miss.) gazed at a 2021 calendar.” All this while the most momentous moment in American history was being played out before their eyes?

In Communist China when Mao was speaking, anyone caught not paying enough attention was taken out and shot. No doubt some Democrats think that shooting would be too good for any Republican who isn’t enthralled by the impeachment proceedings.

Several Republican senators drew criticism Wednesday for appearing to pay only half-hearted attention to House impeachment managers’ arguments as the trial stretched into its fourth hour.

Several whispered among themselves, while others chewed gum, doodled or struggled to stay awake.

The Republicans started paying closer attention when House impeachment managers began airing footage from inside the Capitol after it was breached in Jan. 6, including some that showed Speaker Nancy Pelosi‘s (D-Calif.) staff barricading themselves in an office minutes before a group of rioters walked down a hallway.

This may surprise GOP critics but life goes on even during impeachment. I pity senators sentenced to being forced to watch and listen to this clown show.

Can you blame them for desperately trying to keep themselves amused?

Sen. Mike Braun (R-Ind.) was described by one reporter in the chamber as appearing to struggle to stay awake while Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) didn’t seem to pay much attention to Rep. Joe Neguse’s (D-Colo.) presentation.

Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) popped snacks into his mouth under his mask and at one point walked into the cloakroom, emerging moments later with a glass of milk. Milk and water are the only beverages allowed on the floor under Senate rules.

A pity. I bet most of those Republicans could have used a good belt to stay awake.

The main target of the attention-enforcers was Sen. Josh Hawley who refused to sit at his little desk in the chamber, instead sitting in the gallery apparently sprawled across a couple sets, lounging as if he was watching a ballgame.

That body language was criticized by the former senator he defeated, Claire McCaskill.

“He’s proud to pull himself apart from everyone else and be the only guy. This is all political for him. It’s all political theater. That’s why he’s up there with his feet over the chair,” she said on MSNBC.

“He’s probably working on his book manuscript,” she added. “It’s very disrespectful.”

It turns out that Hawley, the former attorney general of Missouri, was reading trial briefs and the notes he made on them. But his posture was poor and he wasn’t sitting up ramrod straight. How that improves listening skills is a mystery.

Do you notice how the Democrats are drifting closer and closer to authoritarianism? Not listening closely enough is a punishable offense. What’s next? Being forced to bend the knee when a Democrat enters the room?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/ri...-trial-n1424843

WHAT?

Have you watched any of the proceedings thus far.

All the Managers have done is spout FACTS.. Yes, they did it with feeling,., No doubt, but facts are facts

Are you trying to say that trump didn't say what he said, that he didn't tweet what he tweeted?

Are you trying to say that the capital wasn't attacked? are you trying to tell everyone that those that attacked the capital weren't trump supporters regardless of the videos showing otherwise.

Basically the impeachment managers have shown time and time again that Trump led this insurrection. He was the one they fought for. He is the guy that told the "BIG LIE" that he won.... (he didn't)

The hardest part for me is understanding how anyone can interpret these things as anything less than inciting insurrection.

Trump is guilty... But it won't matter unless we get some republicans to grow a set and stand up to do the right thing.

You’re talking to someone that has proven they don’t pay attention to details. Eve claimed she never knew COVID symptoms could be mild, like a cold. She was upset no one told her. This was just a month or so ago. So... how surprised are you?

And you see Eve believes the fact that 5 US citizens are dead only as a direct result of trump exercising his first amendment rights. She actually believes his 1st amendment rights protect him from not fulfilling his oath of office while he was the Potus. She actually still believes this is unconstitutional even after Republicans and Democrats voted in the Senate that it is constitutional.

The opening statement by the defense is out of touch with reality and almost sounded like Trump wrote it.

Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley issued stunning remarks breaking with former President Trump, telling Politico in an interview published Friday that she believes he “let us down.”

“We need to acknowledge he let us down,” Haley, who served in her ambassador role under Trump, said. “He went down a path he shouldn’t have, and we shouldn’t have followed him, and we shouldn’t have listened to him. And we can’t let that ever happen again.”

Haley’s remarks are her strongest yet against the former president in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 Capitol riot and come as Trump's legal team is set to present its defense of Trump on Friday in his second Senate impeachment trial.

The House impeached the former president for a second time shortly after the insurrection, saying his unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud following his election loss to President Biden and his comments earlier that day incited the mob that stormed the Capitol.

The former South Carolina governor told Politico that she has not spoken with Trump since the mob attack, further expressing her disappointment with remarks he gave at a rally ahead of the assault condemning his own vice president, Mike Pence.

“When I tell you I’m angry, it’s an understatement,” Haley said. “I am so disappointed in the fact that [despite] the loyalty and friendship he had with Mike Pence, that he would do that to him. Like, I’m disgusted by it.”

Haley said that the president "believes he is following" his oath of office by challenging the election results, adding, "There’s nothing that you’re ever going to do that’s going to make him feel like he legitimately lost the election."

"He’s got a big bully pulpit. He should be responsible with it," she said.

Haley in the days immediately following the attack said in a speech to Republican National Committee (RNC) members that Trump was “badly wrong with his words” at his Jan. 6 rally.

"And it wasn’t just his words," she added at the time. "His actions since Election Day will be judged harshly by history."

Haley said in Friday's Politico interview that when she gave the RNC address, she "was not expecting a whole bunch of love from that speech."

“I know how much people love Donald Trump. I know it. I feel it," she continued. "Whether it’s an RNC room or social media or talking to donors, I can tell you that the love they have for him is still very strong. That’s not going to just fall to the wayside.”

She went on to say, “Nor do I think the Republican Party is going to go back to the way it was before Donald Trump. I don’t think it should."

Instead, Haley argues, "what we need to do is take the good that he built, leave the bad that he did, and get back to a place where we can be a good, valuable, effective party. But at the same time, it’s bigger than the party."

"I hope our country can come together and figure out how we pull this back," she added.

Haley, who many speculate is a possible 2024 presidential contender, announced a new political action committee last month named after her Stand for America advocacy group. Her spokeswoman Chaney Denton said at the time that the PAC would be focused on helping get conservatives back in control in the House and Senate in 2022.

Bradley Crate, the treasurer for Haley’s PAC, was the treasurer for Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016 and Sen. Mitt Romney’s (R-Utah) top financial adviser for both his presidential runs.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...ve-followed-him

This defense lawyer, a fool of epic proportions, just said, "You can't incite what was already going to happen."

But Trump is the reason behind that too! His lies and incitement brought them to that point!

The rally, the event, the "Stop the Steal", the "Hang Mike Pence" .... none of it would have happened without Trump, his lies, his tweets and his campaign to overturn the will of the American voters. But - what did you expect?

Kick rocks. I'm going to laugh at you people when Trump isn't impeached by the Senate.

Everybody knows they don't have the balls to do the right thing.

They follow party lines. That's how things are done in Washington. Pull your head out of the sand.

I do understand that. But this is bigger than party. This was an attempt to overthrow our elections and install an illegitimate government. Just remember your stance on this when the shoe ends up on the other foot. Because despite what you may believe, I think there are enough crazy democrats that could one day try the same thing.

He was already impeached, twice. Catch up

Now the senate republicans either have the balls to convict him or they will be remembered in history as the trump supporting losers that they are. And besides this is just the beginning of legal issues for trump. Karma is a bitch.

Not all. That’s how things really get done.

He's about to be 'acquitted', twice! Forever!

And continuing to support him will continue to cost you. It has already cost you The White House and the senate. But some people never learn. Anyone paying attention knows he's guilty and so do most of the voters.

That's what this is all about. If you thought the 2020 election was bad, wait to see how much more voters come out against all the trumpians now that he attempted a coup.

And he was so innocent (not) and the defense was so factual (not) ... they played MUSIC to try and add some EXTRA emotion.



Can't make this schtick up.

Ironic that Cult of Trump want to revel in this despicable charade to protect an POS like Trump.

Oh - and lots of lies too !

And trump’s lawyers suck so bad. All they have is to point at Democrats and say it’s their fault trump is a pos. And that’s what they just closed their defense on?

I'm going to laugh at Republicans for having no guts to stand up to Trump...

As for me, I never expected they would convict him.. Republicans simply don't have the courage to stand up and do what's right.

Laugh all you want, but what you are really laughing at is the incompetence of the Republican Senators....

You are entitled to your opinion.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/...bam6R5wCVPSLoiA

New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
By Jamie Gangel, Kevin Liptak, Michael Warren and Marshall Cohen, CNN
Updated 10:29 PM ET, Fri February 12, 2021

In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the then-President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President's state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details were first reported by Punchbowl News and discussed publicly by McCarthy.

The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.

"He is not a blameless observer, he was rooting for them," a Republican member of Congress said. "On January 13, Kevin McCarthy said on the floor of the House that the President bears responsibility and he does."

Speaking to the President from inside the besieged Capitol, McCarthy pressed Trump to call off his supporters and engaged in a heated disagreement about who comprised the crowd. Trump's comment about the would-be insurrectionists caring more about the election results than McCarthy did was first mentioned by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, a Republican from Washington state, in a town hall earlier this week, and was confirmed to CNN by Herrera Beutler and other Republicans briefed on the conversation.

"You have to look at what he did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at," Herrera Beutler, one of 10 House Republicans who voted last month to impeach Trump, told CNN. "That line right there demonstrates to me that either he didn't care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil, or he wanted it to happen and was OK with it, which makes me so angry."
"We should never stand for that, for any reason, under any party flag," she added, voicing her extreme frustration: "I'm trying really hard not to say the F-word."

Herrera Beutler went a step further on Friday night, calling on others to speak up about any other details they might know regarding conversations Trump and Pence had on January 6.

"To the patriots who were standing next to the former president as these conversations were happening, or even to the former vice president: if you have something to add here, now would be the time," she said in a statement.
Another Republican member of Congress said the call was problematic for Trump.

"I think it speaks to the former President's mindset," said Rep. Anthony Gonzalez, an Ohio Republican who also voted to impeach Trump last month. "He was not sorry to see his unyieldingly loyal vice president or the Congress under attack by the mob he inspired. In fact, it seems he was happy about it or at the least enjoyed the scenes that were horrifying to most Americans across the country."
As senators prepare to determine Trump's fate, multiple Republicans thought the details of the call were important to the proceedings because they believe it paints a damning portrait of Trump's lack of action during the attack. At least one of the sources who spoke to CNN took detailed notes of McCarthy's recounting of the call.

Trump and McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment.

It took Trump several hours after the attack began to eventually encourage his supporters to "go home in peace" -- a tweet that came at the urging of his top aides.

At Trump's impeachment trial Friday, his lawyers argued that Trump did in fact try to calm the rioters with a series of tweets while the attack unfolded. But his lawyers cherry-picked his tweets, focusing on his request for supporters to "remain peaceful" without mentioning that he also attacked then-Vice President Mike Pence and waited hours to explicitly urge rioters to leave the Capitol.

A source close to Pence said Trump's legal team was not telling the truth when attorney Michael van der Veen said at the trial that "at no point" did the then-President know his vice president was in danger.

Asked whether van der Veen was lying, the source said, "Yes." Former Pence aides are still fuming over Trump's actions on January 6, insisting he never checked on the vice president as Pence was being rushed from danger by his US Secret Service detail.

It's unclear to what extent these new details were known by the House Democratic impeachment managers or whether the team considered calling McCarthy as a witness. The managers have preserved the option to call witnesses in the ongoing impeachment trial, although that option remains unlikely as the trial winds down.

The House Republican leader had been forthcoming with his conference about details of his conversations with Trump on and after January 6.

The facts have been laid out. This is no longer about opinions.

Senate Bi-partisan Majority just voted to call at least one witness. Rut Row.. trump and his supporters.

Get your dignity back.

https://www.country1st.com/

That would require character.

Advice: don't hold your breath.

In the end I think they will find until they do this they will continue to lose. A carnival barker will only get you so far. It's played its course.

I mean let's face it, when a Jewish man wins a senate seat in Georgia of all places, the writing is on the wall. Though it seems it's still going to take a while before they see it.

I just wanted to point out to them that while I may disagree with them from a policy standpoint, there are still some Republicans out there with some character. They have a choice.

OMG !! Witnesses at a trial ? A chance for the TRUTH to come out? No Trump Lawyer spin saying the evidence is hearsay?

Call me Naïve - I don't care - I think this *might* be a tipping point. The evidence we might here now is going to be from Trump's allies, I really think it may sway some and if there are 4 or 5 more with the courage to make it public, then it may snowball. There is safety in numbers.

You would think there are far more important issues affecting this nation than trying to impeach a president for the 2nd time.
Impeaching Trump does not help those families
Who are struggling to make ends meet or the business owners forced to close their doors

Correct. But it "gets" Trump, which is something they've been trying to do for over 4 years.

Yeah, punishment for creating insurrection to overturn an election and install an illegitimate government to power should be very low on the priority list.



Then, when it happens again because there was no penalty for it the first time it happened, can we then ask you why you thought it was no big deal?

Ignoring and excusing an insurrection to overthrow our government isn't anything logical to say at this point. It seems you'll excuse anything and everything Trump has done by just saying, "they hate Trump". So far that's all you've done.

I guess it's fine for him to call Georgia election officials and tell them to "find" enough votes for him to win too. At this point you'll spout anything to excuse him from trying to steal an election and install an illegitimate government take over.

That's some pretty weak BS.

You take liberties with words said, excluding other statements to fit your opinion of facts, and then attack, belittle, and belabor. All while ignoring your side, and statements made by your side, that don't fit with your agenda.

But, at least you are 'locked and loaded'.