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go ahead and quote where i said that.

don't worry, i'll wait.

It has never heated anywhere close to the rate it has been since green house gases were introduced to our planet. Never anywhere even close to this rate. I mean since you brought up ignoring facts.

I said global warming and cooling happened before humans had anything to do with it. You replied with I wasn't quoting facts and that I was stubborn.

and I admit that humans are hurrying up the warming. But I have a question that I have posted a half dozen times that nobody has ever answered. How much are we effecting the change? If it is going to happen in 100 years, 500 years or 1,000 years just how much are we speeding up the process? If it cuts the process to 50years, 200 years, and 500 years then I agree that we should try to change those numbers. If it's only 90 years, 475 years, and 900 years then why in the hell should we bother?

That's not actually a question. That's a hypothetical. I don't think there is anyone who can give an accurate answer to that question. I guess if you're actually curious rather than playing the gotchya game you could look at the fastest rate this planet has ever warmed before fossil fuels to get a gauge of how much faster it's warming now.

but as of this moment your answer seems to be, "Since I know are partly to blame, since I don't know how long it will extend the life of the planet I don't think it's worth trying to save it".

I don't find that a practical answer.

JC...

Curious about something that I always think of when climate warming argument comes up.

Weren't the poles almost ice free during the dino age? Which would mean the earth was warmer then, than it is now, or was that just the northern hemisphere and the southern maybe was cooler?

I am glad somebody paid attention.

It's a serious problem that is straining our planet.

110 percent honest question bro. No games, no gotcha moments, never has been since I asked this question the first time many years ago. If somebody could show me some proof I would change my tune in a heart beat. But the longer I go with folks ignoring my questions, and po poing around my question just pushes me further into the bullcrap they have no clue category.

The Sahara desert used to be plush, lush, and full of green.

https://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

shhhh Folks don't want to know that in 8,400 BC things were different. It does not jive with their doom and gloom we are all going to die attitude. Even though we are all going to die anyway.

I understand. But some of them claim to believe facts and science when it suits their agenda, but ignore it when it doesn't.

Shoot, I distinctly remember the inevitable 'ice age' we were supposed to be on the brink of in the mid 70's.

Oh I remember the ice age as it was drilled into our heads in the 70's. It was 110 percent wrong, yet everybody claimed at the time that it was 100 percent correct. Man does that remind me of this crap that's going on today.

The "crap" you are talking about is the same "crap" you admit people are contributing to. But somehow since you don't know exactly how much we contribute to it your answer is to do nothing. You better hope your denial proves you right or future generations of your own family will pay the price for your mistake.

GM,
part of what you are asking is hypothetical and there scientific guesses on when this gets real. And there are other players in the game like China who are super polluters and negate the good of other countries.

But, it may just be cyclical weather patterns or most likely it is cyclical weather patterns with an extra extreme edge because of global warming.
And no global warming does not mean we can go in shorts in Ohio in January-thats a FB meme for dimwits.

What it really means and yes we are already seeing the beginning of it-is "sunny day" flooding and rising seas-and let me tell you there is a ton of investment and beautiful buildings built on water-and the guess is somewhere between 2050-2075, those beautiful buildings in places like Miami, Norfolk, NYC, Seattle, New Orleans, St. Pete, Galveston, San Diego are going to be dealing with anywhere from 1-6 or 8 feet of added sea water-thats added ocean rise-that is not due to a Cat 5 storm. Any tropical weather makes the situation much worse.

I saw a map not to long ago that showed Florida in like 50-75 years from now-The keys were gone and south Florida was somewhere between north of Miami and the everglades

And adding salt water thru the ground level floor of all these buildings (many where the main level electrical and mechanical rooms are located) would create just an insane amount of damage and cost. You also have the cost to roadways and underground utility distribution systems.

And you also asked about when this is happening-it already is starting to happen and it is probably too late to reverse it. At this point how do you minimize it. Maybe you cant


Look up "sunny day flooding" on the coast
or go look up your favorite beach spot on floodfactor.com and see what the chances of flooding in the next 30 years

They don’t care. You know there’s a lot that going around.

NBC Nightly News is a Hate Filled Rally intent on spreading division to millions.

Please donate your mind to science when you die, you might help find a cure.

Ah my friend could you please point out where I said to do nothing? Pump the brakes yep, slow our roll yep, have the battery problems worked out, and infastructure ready.... yep, but I didn't say do nothing. Hell we have not even discussed another problem facing everybody once cars all go electric. Charging your vehicle at home is going to cost most folks big money.

Example a level one charger (the slowest one you can use plugs into an outlet.) Using myself for example my house is about 50 years old. We have only two outlets in the garage. One is being used by the garage door openers, the other is being used by a fridge, and a freezer. I would have to add a outlet and a new breaker box. My neighbor has four adult children who all still live at home. They have six cars.

Level 2 chargers are what most people would want or need look like they run between $600 to 1,000 each just for the unit. Then throw in another 1,000 to 2,000 to have it installed, plus it runs on 240v so most folks are going to need new breaker boxes as well. It would cost us with three vehicles about 2,500 to 4,000 PER vehicle so that's 7,500 to 12,000 for us, and 15,000 to 24,000 for my neighbor.

Pump the brakes, have a little patience, electric cars are coming, we just need to have our ducks in a row first not go running off half roostered. Like I said earlier buddy. Cart before the horse, not horse before the cart.

The fossil fuel energy sector is dying, in the death throes of an antiquated ideology. I’m not trying to throw shade on fossil fuels, the industrial revolution did just that, it revolutionized.

We need to adapt and lay the foundation of green energy transfer. A bit of insider trading, my hand wins.

I don't think many disagree when looking long term.

The key is every nation goes head long in to the transfer. If China continues to be a bad actor, that is a problem.

Leaders lead, they don't wait for the delinquent to set the example before they do the right thing. This isn't terribly hard, and "But China" doesn't help one iota.

The GOP used to be grand, honest, and conservative minded.

1. Back in the Paris Climate Accord, - bad for America
2. Back in a failed, terrible nuclear agreement beneficial to Iran- bad for America
3. Bring amnesty to 11, or 22 million (I heard both) people from outside of America which ignores problems that exist already in America. - bad for America

3 biggest accomplishments of Biden's term so far.

Make America Worse again, courtesy of the Democratic party.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Misinformation has made swiss cheese of your brain bro. Maybe hit a bong, get some sleep, and see if you can reset you mind. You are wearing me out just trying to interpret this gibberish you are spamming the board with. And I would absolutely defend your beliefs if there was so much as one fact in there... Like I posted the other day for you to read:

Quote:

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”

= Harlan Ellison

Honestly Throw, crazy comes in a large variety of flavors and everybody is a little crazy... but when you start sounding like you got the whole Baskin-Robins menu of flavors swirling around in your personal level of crazy, it's time to seek help or take a break, a very long break.

j/c:

States sue Biden in bid to revive Keystone XL pipeline:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/states-sue-biden-bid-revive-230836001.html

I don't agree with you on those three items being anything other than good ideas..

Also, you forgot the number of Vac's in arms since Biden took over. You forgot the $1.9 Trillion set to help Americans, not just the wealthy and corporations.

I guess they don't count for you.

I’m sure Biden is all worried about it. Lol

I've never seen you as one to engage in revisionist history.
Maybe you didn't see the post I made was 25 days ago, and included his biggest accomplishments "so far".

And I'm not counting the stimulous bill, it, though it may have been talked about / teased, by the media for weeks, didn't get passed, or re-written, or passed a different house, the whole fiasco of the stimulous bill didn't get passed and signed by Biden until real recent last week probably, so definitely not a Biden Accomplishment as of Feb 22. (And, that bill was 4/5's a pork bill for democrat interests, talking heads are saying.)

The shots in the arms, seem to rolling along at the speed of the medical system regardless of who is president, I can't find anything Biden has accomplished in continuing the vaccine program, other than "not noticeably screwing it up", and maybe he added a few sites, which would have happened under Trump anyways.

And even the Shots in the Arms, have largly occurred since Feb. 22nd, when I posted that post you quoted.

1. Going back in the Paris Climate accord, was a Terrible Idea that snuffs American business, and undoes gains in competitiveness that Trumps trade agreements made.
2. Giving heed to what Iran wants in a Nuclear deal is also, Terrible for America, but you are free to disagree with whatever you want.
3. Amnesty for all the 11-22 million,... well, shoot,
The Democrats have been giving Amnesty to everybody since I was, well since Bernie Kosar was on the cover of Sports Illustrated so, I wonder if they would just let everybody on the whole planet into the usa and call em a citizen, what kind of country they want, ..
again you agree with whatever you want to call a good idea, I still think they are all 3 bad for America.

But saying I forgot an accomplishment, when they didn't happen, by the time chronologically, 20 some days ago, on Feb, 22nd when I made the post; and calling it out on March 19th,
Then yes, those things wouldn't count for me.

Ummm, yeah, sure,... the hamster does not seem to be turning the wheel. That was Ronald Regan's amnesty program.

Carry on...

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/...2a-2d033907bd11

UAW warns workers,

Wkyc, Cleveland Akron,
Ford is going back on an agreement from 2019 to build a project coming in 2023 in Ohio, and instead plans to move the jobs to Mexico.

Well, Joe Biden, what are you going to do to stand up to American companies sending jobs elsewhere, like Trump would be doing?
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We know the answer; Nothing! because he's a paper tiger, or paper kitty cat, just a figurehead of big business interests at best;
He can't stand up to them.

Aw gimme a #$@! Everybody knows! Ronald Reagan was forced to sign that amid pressure from the democrat both houses of congress,
even as a child that was clear, now I may not know much, but stop with the revisionist falsehoods,

the biggest thing Reagan had to do with that, was he caved, he caved after standing up against it for a period of time.

But everybody knows, now and then, that that amnesty; (movement and version) was Democrats led, it's not even in question.

Like trump did to Carrier?

Comparing 1970’s technology, to 2021, is incomparable. We know a whole lot more than we did decades ago.

This ideology is a threat to life on earth. We are going to lose a lot of biodiversity in the coming decades, we should be in preservation mode.

By the time it gets so bad that people struggle to survive, all those that brought it on will be long dead. It's my grandchildren and their grandchildren that will ultimately pay the price for this utter stupidity. We must move away from fossil fuels and do more to preserve the livability of this planet. I believe there were great advanced civilizations here before our recorded history, possibly many over the course of history. They are gone with little trace of their existence other than unexplainable architectural technology and achievements. I don't care what ancient alien theorists have to say, but the evidence of a past advanced civilization(s) is all around us. And somehow they were all wiped out.

1970, and today have things in common. The main one is we were guessing then and we are guessing now.

Let me ask you this bro. If the earth is in a major warming period what can we as humans do to stop it?

Start by giving a damn about the planet.

That won't stop it.

It wouldn't hurt.