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definitely lost me with that tamir rice correlation. keep that far left nonsense on msnbc, broskie.


It's no different. You wouldn't want you kids treated like that in either case.




You are right, I wouldn't. Then again, I wouldn't just drop my kids off at some countries border and say "you're on your own now".

Back to the same ole crap with you people. Just open up the border and allow the freeloaders to just wander on in.

I have no problem with legals and am smart enough to know that for those that aren't, it's not realistic to just ship them out. I understand there needs to be a way for them to stay, so I welcome the Presidents thoughts about creating a pathway. I am good with that. Most of those are hard working folks simply wanting the milk and honey this country has to offer.

They need to register, then follow whatever steps are created.


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And if you are a kid that is lucky enough to have been born here, yet somehow on your own... do they get sent to these compounds? No, they have advocacy from Children's Services and get placed in foster care, a suitable institutional care facility with trained staff, or placed with relatives. And most of you would be beside yourself if this happened to a child you care about.

This whole attitude about "What does the left expect?", "What answers does the left have?"... We don't really know the solid answer to that. What we do know is that if it would be unacceptable for OUR kids, it's unacceptable for these kids too.


Here's your problem. Once again you base your response on emotions. Are you saying this is their permanent housing? Where do you propose they be housed until foster care can be arranged for them? You jump to emotional conclusions without any facts to base them on.

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“What we are doing is working as quickly as possible to process these kids into these HHS facilities ... so we can then transfer them to families,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Wednesday. “This is a difficult situation. It’s a difficult choice.”


This is what happens when people become unhinged before gathering all of the facts.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg

I don't lose any credibility, I'm a progressive considered to be extremist on this board, what the hell do I have to lose? lmao


I can only speak for myself, and FWIW, but this isn't true. You do have credibility, which is why I'm responding to you (and not thinking to myself "why am I even bothering").

So your issue is the vibe? And even if it was feasible, you'd want these kids to be put in foster care? One of the folks in the articles speaking for these facilities directly addressed this point... they felt foster care was too restrictive. Also, the OP article says there's classrooms and flowers on the door and stuff.
Like another poster stated, these kids were dropped at the border and tasked with getting into the US w/o their parents. It's a crappy situation, regardless of the vibe of the place where they're being held.


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Actually if you read my post from the White House press secretary the goal is to get them integrated with families. The thing is that isn't a process that happens like brewing an instant cup of coffee so they must be housed somewhere until that process is complete.

What has happened is certain people have grabbed onto a headline without looking into the facts of the actual story.

Biden administration prepares to open overflow facility for migrant children

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Unaccompanied children who cross the border are taken into custody by the Department of Homeland Security and referred to HHS, though a Trump-era policy also makes them subject to expulsion. If placed in care, case managers work to place a child with a sponsor in the United States, like a parent or relative.

The facility in Carrizo Springs will be used for children who are medically cleared from Covid-19 quarantine and will not be used for those younger than 13, according to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the agency within HHS that is responsible for the care of migrant children.

As of Thursday, there were approximately 4,730 children in Office of Refugee Resettlement care.

"HHS is mindful of these children's vulnerability, and our priority is the safety and wellbeing of each child in our care. HHS anticipates the need to start placing children at Carrizo Springs in 15 days or soon after," the agency said in a statement, citing limited capacity due in part to Covid-19.

Since the start of the pandemic, the agency has also had to contend with Covid-19 infections among children and staff. As of last week, there have been a total of 1,748 Covid-19 cases among children, the majority of whom have recovered and been moved from medical isolation. More than 21,000 coronavirus tests have been completed for children in the program, according to the agency.

No children who tested positive have required hospitalization, the agency said.

"The situation remains extremely fluid and can change rapidly," the Office of Refugee Resettlement said in a statement.

A White House spokesperson said that it's not this administration's policy to expel children apprehended at the border, a departure from the Trump administration's posture. "The Border Patrol will continue to transfer unaccompanied children to the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement so they may be properly cared for in appropriate shelters, consistent with their best interest," the spokesperson said.

https://www.cbs58.com/news/biden-adminis...igrant-children


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Most of them ARE hardworking people.

I certainly wasn't going to start a new thread, but this may fit in here.

"Law Enforcement Cooperation in Laredo Sector Leads to Arrest of Child Sex Offender"

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media...rrest-child-sex

Now, that has nothing to do with illegal immigrant CHILDREN, but it DOES have to do with an illegal that molested/fondled a child in 2018. He was sentenced to 2 years of probation. Record checks also revealed he had an extensive criminal history.

This was a town away from me. 12 miles. And, he was headed back here.

This country has enough sexual abuse perps, and criminals in general. We don't need them coming from other countries, un checked.

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definitely lost me with that tamir rice correlation. keep that far left nonsense on msnbc, broskie.


It's no different. You wouldn't want you kids treated like that in either case.




You are right, I wouldn't. Then again, I wouldn't just drop my kids off at some countries border and say "you're on your own now".

Back to the same ole crap with you people. Just open up the border and allow the freeloaders to just wander on in.

I have no problem with legals and am smart enough to know that for those that aren't, it's not realistic to just ship them out. I understand there needs to be a way for them to stay, so I welcome the Presidents thoughts about creating a pathway. I am good with that. Most of those are hard working folks simply wanting the milk and honey this country has to offer.

They need to register, then follow whatever steps are created.


I'd rather have them than people like you. Most of those 'free loaders' are salt of the earth types AND kids are kids no matter where they are from.

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And if you are a kid that is lucky enough to have been born here, yet somehow on your own... do they get sent to these compounds? No, they have advocacy from Children's Services and get placed in foster care, a suitable institutional care facility with trained staff, or placed with relatives. And most of you would be beside yourself if this happened to a child you care about.

This whole attitude about "What does the left expect?", "What answers does the left have?"... We don't really know the solid answer to that. What we do know is that if it would be unacceptable for OUR kids, it's unacceptable for these kids too.


Here's your problem. Once again you base your response on emotions. Are you saying this is their permanent housing? Where do you propose they be housed until foster care can be arranged for them? You jump to emotional conclusions without any facts to base them on.

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“What we are doing is working as quickly as possible to process these kids into these HHS facilities ... so we can then transfer them to families,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Wednesday. “This is a difficult situation. It’s a difficult choice.”


This is what happens when people become unhinged before gathering all of the facts.


You want emotions, take this to facebook so I can put it in BLUNT words for you. wink

And I hadn't seen the Press Secretary bit before just now, all I see is 'camps' that shouldn't exist. They could be turned over to HHS, then processed under their supervision. No prison camps needed.

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Most of them ARE hardworking people.

I certainly wasn't going to start a new thread, but this may fit in here.

"Law Enforcement Cooperation in Laredo Sector Leads to Arrest of Child Sex Offender"

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media...rrest-child-sex

Now, that has nothing to do with illegal immigrant CHILDREN, but it DOES have to do with an illegal that molested/fondled a child in 2018. He was sentenced to 2 years of probation. Record checks also revealed he had an extensive criminal history.

This was a town away from me. 12 miles. And, he was headed back here.

This country has enough sexual abuse perps, and criminals in general. We don't need them coming from other countries, un checked.



What is it with GOPers and their fascination with all things pedo? SUre there are bad people in every culture, and nobody wants to let in these people, but the true reason you dug up an old ass pedo article was to counter the discussion going on in here about kids. You are SOOOOOO sad.

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Feb. 5th. Not that old.

Kids - which you seem to care so much about if they're from other countries and enter here illegally, are not the ONLY kids.

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I don't lose any credibility, I'm a progressive considered to be extremist on this board, what the hell do I have to lose? lmao


I can only speak for myself, and FWIW, but this isn't true. You do have credibility, which is why I'm responding to you (and not thinking to myself "why am I even bothering").

So your issue is the vibe? And even if it was feasible, you'd want these kids to be put in foster care? One of the folks in the articles speaking for these facilities directly addressed this point... they felt foster care was too restrictive. Also, the OP article says there's classrooms and flowers on the door and stuff.
Like another poster stated, these kids were dropped at the border and tasked with getting into the US w/o their parents. It's a crappy situation, regardless of the vibe of the place where they're being held.


My issue is the camps, don't mistake that. These camps are mini prisons for these kids. And after the crap pulled during the Trump admin, it's a bad look to polish them up and keep them. These are kids in a tough spot, not criminals.

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Most of these kids were sent here to eventually meet up with family, who most likely are here illegally.

If we hand these kids off to foster homes, many will just run off. They probably have a better chance of success, and a future, if they go through the system and THEN get assigned some sort of sponsor or foster care.

Most have probably been told many bad things about what might happen when they get here, some true some not. But we need to check them out both legally and medically, then figure out if they have any relatives that can take them in. Then deal with the rest. But most of all we need to document them and be able to follow and track their well being.

There is no single easy answer to the problem. But it is what it is, and we have to work through it, and right now, this is the best we have.



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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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I don't lose any credibility, I'm a progressive considered to be extremist on this board, what the hell do I have to lose? lmao


I can only speak for myself, and FWIW, but this isn't true. You do have credibility, which is why I'm responding to you (and not thinking to myself "why am I even bothering").

So your issue is the vibe? And even if it was feasible, you'd want these kids to be put in foster care? One of the folks in the articles speaking for these facilities directly addressed this point... they felt foster care was too restrictive. Also, the OP article says there's classrooms and flowers on the door and stuff.
Like another poster stated, these kids were dropped at the border and tasked with getting into the US w/o their parents. It's a crappy situation, regardless of the vibe of the place where they're being held.


My issue is the camps, don't mistake that. These camps are mini prisons for these kids. And after the crap pulled during the Trump admin, it's a bad look to polish them up and keep them. These are kids in a tough spot, not criminals.


There are no good optics here, but they need more space now just for social distance alone. It’s temporary. And again, where are the cages?


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What is HHS going to do with thousands of children until they find homes for them? You love to complain yet offer no viable solutions because someone used the word "camps".


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Most Americans have NO CLUE how most of the third world lives. And they don't want to know. Millions live in plywood and tin cans hammered on to keep rain/wind off them. Running water, hope for something to get down the well or carry from river/stream. Why do you think they're coming up from Central America, it totally sucks....BUT Democrats think we can endlessly accept them. I want immigration reform, let them come thru the proper process and if they offer our country something. We have plenty of poor ourselves to care for. The title, kids in cages....get real, you're SO out of touch.


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And again, where are the cages?


Hey Rocket, somebody asked you a question. I'll bet the kids you teach don't have facilities as nice as these.


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And again, where are the cages?


Hey Rocket, somebody asked you a question. I'll bet the kids you teach don't have facilities as nice as these.


That’s a federal vs state issue. Why can’t the states take care of their own schools and power grids like Texas does? rofl


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Oh look........Here are trump’s kids in cages. The racist tyrant leaves for Biden to clean up. Pffft trump supporters.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021...contacted-court

The parents of 112 children separated at the US-Mexico border by Donald Trump’s administration have been contacted since January, lawyers told a court on Friday, as the judge expressed optimism about reunification efforts now being the responsibility of Joe Biden’s administration.

The new figures were provided as part of a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) which in 2018 ended family separations under Donald Trump’s “zero tolerance” policy about unlawful border crossings and ordered the government to reunite families. On Friday, the government’s position in the case was represented publicly for the first time by Biden’s administration instead of Trump’s.

The US district judge Dana Sabraw has overseen the case since the beginning and was deeply critical of the Trump administration’s reunification efforts. Sabraw said in court that he was optimistic that the Biden administration, working in concert with advocates, would bring the case “to a conclusion sooner rather than later”.


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Who built the cages?

Anyone even slightly surprised by this lol

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Who built the cages?

Don’t side track. And again what cages? I don’t see any cages here, do you?


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Who built the cages?

Don’t side track. And again what cages? I don’t see any cages here, do you?


You wouldn't see the cages if you were in one.

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