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FBI Director Christopher Wray repeatedly rebuts claims that antifa activists attacked Capitol

The FBI has not seen "any evidence of anarchist violent extremists or people subscribing to antifa in connection with the 6th," he said at a Senate hearing.

WASHINGTON — FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday repeatedly shot down claims by Republican allies of former President Donald Trump and others that antifa activists participated in the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol.

“We have not to date seen any evidence of anarchist violent extremists or people subscribing to antifa in connection with the 6th," Wray said in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee at a hearing to address concerns about the intelligence leading up to the riot and the domestic terrorism threat more broadly. "That doesn't mean we're not looking, and we'll continue to look, but at the moment we have not seen that.”

Wray explained that those who participated in the breach of the Capitol fell into two main groups of violent extremists — those associated with militia groups, such as Oath Keepers, and those who advocate white supremacy.

Wray's comments came after Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the committee, spent much of his opening remarks focused not on the right-wing extremists who attacked the Capitol in January, but on left-wing extremists, such as the anti-fascist, or antifa, movement. Grassley referred to how far-left protesters vandalized a federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon, in the summer and the state Democratic Party headquarters during President Joe Biden's inauguration.

“We must examine the issue of domestic terrorism broadly, very broadly, to include all forms of political extremism, domestic terrorism, wherever it falls on the political spectrum," Grassley said. "No serious oversight activity and no other policy decisions can be made without doing both.”

Trump and many of his allies have repeatedly claimed that antifa activists were responsible for the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. At a hearing last week, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., read from an article that falsely blamed the violence at the Capitol on antifa, "fake Trump protesters" and "provocateurs." A recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll found that 58 percent of Republicans believe the Capitol riot to have been "mostly an antifa-inspired attack that only involved a few Trump supporters."

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said in his opening statement that violence across the political spectrum, including the vandalism at the federal courthouse in Portland, "should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

"But it is not equivalent to a violent attempt to overturn the results of elections, nor is it equivalent to mass shootings targeting minority communities,” he said. “This false equivalency is an insult to the brave police officers who were injured or lost their lives on Jan. 6, as well as dozens of others who've been murdered in white supremacist attacks.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres...apitol-n1259297

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Extremists discussed plans to 'remove Democratic lawmakers': FBI-Homeland Security bulletin

The bulletin said "domestic violent extremists" or "militia violent extremists" were emboldened by the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

The Department of Homeland Security and the FBI sent a joint intelligence bulletin to state and local law enforcement agencies late Tuesday warning that some domestic groups have "discussed plans to take control of the U.S. Capitol and remove Democratic lawmakers on or about" this Thursday, March 4, according to a senior law enforcement official who described the document to NBC News.

The bulletin, titled "National Capital Region Remains Attractive Target for Domestic Violent Extremists," warned that "Domestic Violent Extremists" or "Militia Violent Extremists" were emboldened by the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol and therefore pose a higher overall threat.

The bulletin said the militia violent extremists may "exploit public gatherings either formally organized or spontaneous to engage in violence," according to the description of the document.

It also states that domestic violent extremists have a continued "perception of election fraud and other conspiracy theories associated with the presidential transition, which may contribute to (Domestic Violent Extremists) mobilizing to violence with little or no warning."

The law enforcement official said the bulletin makes clear that "the threat did not begin or end on January 6."

The new warning comes as national security officials testified before two Senate committees about the law enforcement response to the Capitol assault in January.

Also Wednesday, Capitol Police said it has obtained intelligence showing a “possible plot to breach the Capitol by an identified militia group” on March 4.

“We have already made significant security upgrades to include establishing a physical structure and increasing manpower to ensure the protection of Congress, the public and our police officers,” the agency said in a statement.

Supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory have set March 4 as the date they believe former president Donald Trump will return to office.

NBC News reported Tuesday that law enforcement agencies around Washington, D.C., were adding extra security out of concern of potential unrest. While users in online QAnon groups are looking forward to Thursday, no specific protests or events are being planned, according to an NBC analysis of the largest remaining forums.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ext...sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

This part stuck out to me.


Capitol Police were already insanely well-funded and equipped. Lack of equipment and other 'stuff' wasn't the cause of their failure during the insurrection. I hope their lack of action isn't being glossed over behind closed doors, because they are 100% right that Jan 6th absolutely made the Capitol a target for future attacks. It was way too easy for the insurrectionists.

I think the increase in manpower is key here. I saw no actual reference to their "equipment". They were certainly overpowered in regards to sheer numbers. I don't actually see physical structures as an upgrade in equipment either.

I agree that it was too easy for the insurrectionists. I also saw Capital Police officers taking selfies and from the raw footage some even making it easy, bordering on helpful towards the insurrectionists.

I also understand that when the capital police knew they were being overwhelmed it took over three hours between their call for national guard help and the time that help was approved.

I see it as a failure on several levels. The FBI and Homeland Security had previously made a statement that the groups involved were the biggest terrorist threats in America. Everyone on every level should have been more prepared for this.

bUT AnTiFa

These are the parts I was trying to get at. More worried about the optics when you know you're already warned about a potential threat, and the hesitancy to respond when it really started to go down.

I see physical structures/barriers as equipment. They're tools to help the officers maintain security. Again, these weren't used in favor of optics/aesthetics.

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Didn't quite know where to post this but I do feel it's related to election related violence.

Live pipe bomb found at Iowa polling place, police confirm

Ankeny, Iowa — Police here confirmed Tuesday evening that a suspicious device found outside a polling place for a special election the city was holding was a live pipe bomb, CBS Des Moines affiliate KCCI-TV reports. The Lakeside Center was evacuated after the device was found.

More than a dozen people had already cast ballots, the station says.

Polk County Auditor Jamie Fitzgerald said a passerby alerted staff members at approximately 9:25 a.m. that there was a suspicious device near the center.

Fitzgerald said Ankeny police were contacted. So was the Secretary of State's office was for protocols on how to proceed.

Would-be voters were sent to other polling places. Fitzgerald said all votes previously cast at the location were still legitimate.

No other polling sites were thought to be in danger.

Fitzgerald said it's believed to be an isolated incident.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was investigating.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/live-pipe-b...inkId=112530804

There are certainly no groups or people as of yet associated with the pipe bomb. So I do think it would be wrong to come to any conclusions at the current time. There are a couple of facts I would however like to bring to light. In the 2020 presidential election, Iowa voters voted for trump by a margin of 53% to 45%.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/iowa-2020-election-results/story?id=73592640

In the location where this pipe bomb was found, Ankeny, Iowa, which resides in Polk County Iowa, 51.7% of the people voted Democrat in the last presidential election, 40.4% voted for the Republican Party, and the remaining 7.9% voted Independent.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/iowa/ankeny

The only Coup in DC was by the Democrats from 2015 thru 2021 including their false flag in January and their stealing of the 2020 election.

Hi Alex Jones.

Actually, he just recently came out and said he was sick of Trump.

Stop. While I wouldn't call what happened a in DC a coup to overthrow anything, the vast, vast majority in attendance and those penetrating the Capitol we're Trump Supporters.

Troll much? Repeating proven lies and debunked conspiracy theories is not attractive. Over 80 million Americans sent you that message and you still can't accept it.

What would you call it, then? I'm asking sincerely.

A group of people, directed by the outgoing president, took control of the Capitol building to interfere with the procedural certification of the legitimate election with the intention of keeping the guy who lost in power and also seeking revenge against their political opponents.

If that's not an attempted coup, then what is it? Again, I'm asking honestly... if there's a more accurate word than 'coup', then I'm all ears.

Andy Ngo is disappointed in your take, Memphis.

Rioting. Destruction. Insurrection even. Kinda like what Antifa does on the left and Proud Boys do in the center, just in several other cities.

But these people were not participating in a coup trying to overthrow anything, IMO-- most are simply stupid, caught up in emotion/opportunity when security opened the door for many while Trump wrongly planted a seed of doubt in election results. I think DCDawg said the below (paraphrasing) and I would agree, although I don't want to misrepresent what he meant or have my thoughts incorrectly aligned with his if they are not the same. So whenever DC is next on here he can correct me, if necessary.

Anyone participating in any sincere government coup or upheaval would have not causally walked out and went home (like they did at the Capitol) once they were done taking pictures, defacing property, yelling/screaming, waving Trump flags, stealing podiums, etc. There literally would have been a Wild Wild West gun fight to the death with countless dead if control of the government was the true intention. Again, many had the doors opened for them and essentially invited in (which is a separate conversation and concern, I suppose).

The optics of it are horrible. It was the Capitol Building....the very heart of the US Government. I recognize that and promoted the arrest of every person confirmed to be involved. But you can't convince me that the people there were willing to kill any and all opposition in their way and stand their ground.

Andy Ngo must have not shared the photos of the people with zip ties or those with handguns inside of the building.

Your both sidesing of this is typical. Wouldn’t expect anything less of someone who thinks Kathleen Kennedy has destroyed Star Wars.

A peaceful protest. You know, the kind we saw all summer long. They just did so on a bigger stage.

JC, not directed at anyone in particular.

GOPers still trying to polish the big ass turd Trump left them to deal with. smh

Y'all can say whatever you want about the January 6th insurrection led by that loser Trump, we know what happened and it was absolutely insurrection with the intent of keeping the lawfully elected POTUS from being certified by congress. It takes a real piece of crap American to deny any of that and shame on any of you who do.

My question is what the hell happened to all the patriots on the right? Those chest thumping gun toting Americans who say they would defend her with their lives... I guess I missed the part about except if my guy loses. If you condone, endorse, or generally think what happened was ok... you are no American. You are no Patriot. You are a traitor.

I suppose it depends on perspective.

That’s because they are the “do as I say, not as I do” part of America.

They demand people be held to a standard they themselves refuse to live up to.

They tell black Americans to get over slavery, yet they can’t get over the fact that they lost the civil war.

They tell people to love America and love winners, yet the fly the confederate flag, literally the biggest display of a participation trophy in human history, and the symbol of losers.

They tell people to respect their religious views and morals, yet throw their undying loyalty behind a guy who can’t even take his wedding vows seriously, never mind quote a Bible verse.

They say this country has lost its way because we don’t worship god, yet at every turn they make it clear they worship the almighty dollar. Values will always be left at the door when it comes to cash.

The so-called “patriots” on the right have always been this way since before any of us were born. It’s just been brought to daylight thanks to social media and Donald trump. Seriously, just take a simple stroll through American history.

They’re the epitome of playing the victim. They’ve always been pushing identity politics in America. They’ve never had a problem with identity politics or cancel culture; they’re just upset and throw the biggest hissy fits this planet has ever seen when it’s not THEIR identity at the forefront.

Yeah true ....for those looking from the trump loving insurrectionist perspective. Because no other perspective exist to them.

I'm like 99% sure you weren't calling the summer riots peaceful protests (many times the relevant authority weren't calling them peaceful protests, either... at least not the ones that got links posted up here). So if you (rightfully) railed against the summer riots, then you should do the same here, if not moreso seeing as this is the Capitol building and they actually got in.

I can't believe they are throwing that out as an excuse..

Antife and BLM dressed up as Trump supporters... Yeah Right

The Summer protests were fine, then they got out of hand and started trashing and looting stores.
The Jan 6 trump rally was fine, then they stormed the Capitol Building.

Both may have started out reasonable and both may have gotten out of control, but as you allude to, comparing 1 to the other is a false equivalency. Breaking into Foot Locker and stealing a few pairs of Nike is not the same as storming the Capitol Building and threatening to kill members of Congress. Just like stealing a pack of gum from the 7/11 is not the same as grand theft auto. Both are wrong but they are no where near the same.

And they are still going on. But not at the 120 straight day level. They ran out riot ribs.

Yeah right. They’re still killing cops at insurrections across the country.

He can call himself whatever. He still needs to by hung on the same gallows as the trump insurrectionists.

And honesty.

The peaceful protest took place on the streets of Washington D.C. on January 6th. The attempted coup happened inside the capital building. Even you know the difference. We're back to that honesty thing again.

Sure they would have simply left and walked out without trying to hide their identification. They thought they were taking direct orders from the president at the time. Proud Boys in the middle?

Five charged with Proud Boys conspiracy in deadly U.S. Capitol attack

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...k-idUSKBN2AB24L

The FBI has proven the intent was to overthrow the election results. That's a coup. All that's left are people who understand that and those still in the denial phase.

And ANTIFA didn't do it.

No kidding. Never said they did.

Would you like me to share my post bashing the NYPost and its terrible journalism for trying to paint a different picture and alledge a larger involvement by the group just because two Antifa members out of thousands of others were arrested?

Let's look big picture. I certainly didn't make my intentions clear in that part of my response.

I don't doubt that people who were aligned with ANTIFA had some hand in the summer riots. I have said that in both the riots that occurred then and the attempted coup that happened on January 6th that everyone involved in the violence should be arrested and convicted if found guilty.

Most all of the violence actually happened after dark, after the actual BLM protests themselves were over. So unlike many, I never tried to combine BLM with the violence. The same thing goes for those on January 6th that simply came there to protest and were not a part of the attempted overthrow of our elections.

Where the huge difference lies is that in one case nobody over the summer tried to take over our government. Nobody tried to overturn our election results. Nobody attempted to find, threatened to hang or execute our federally elected officials.

While it certainly does not make what happened over the summer less terrible or wrong, it's certainly not the same level of crimes nor does it involve the same legal punishment. The severity of a crime is best looked at by the possible sentence you can receive.

And the Proud Boys are not in the middle.

You are right and I mis-typed. Proud Boys are definitely far-right. I meant Boogaloo Bois.



Stop. This is a cop out. There were countless riots in the streets from BLM protesters in many cities. Video evidence is everywhere.



My thoughts on this are above in an earlier post.

Oh you can can count them. The percentages of when that happened were very low.

So " nobody over the summer tried to take over our government" somebody said. ?

So. If the Government, 40,000 leftist establishment media (fake media) and big beaureau whatevers, that serve billionaires, foreign interests, and multinational companies, and what not,
If they, create and nurture the summer protests, while ignoring the Government, of a paper written constition with rules governing the actions of people who hold office, and then superseding it,
and ignoring or tearing down the government of the US that existed in 1945 at the end of WWII, and the flag which flew where people fought under,

and then, through use of bully media, and ignoring facts and or stories, to serve only one party, the left, and attempt to reshape the institutions and actions of the government, and through doing, change an elections result, and pretend they didn't, and force everyone to say they agree with them on the above point,
Thereby creating a place where we don't have the government we had even 10 years ago,

Then there wouldn't be any need to overthrow the government they had already overthrown previously, but we just hadn't been aware of it because it didn't have to become apparent until they had to ship in millions of false fabricated ballots and change an election,
and
the summer riots were just a precursor, and a warning to anyone who would in the future, or Now, not agree with the lefts' fabricated reality.

So In the summer if they were overthrowing freedom and people, and the will of voters, there is no need for them to overthrow the government if some (made up number of 40,000, to illustrate the point that it's larger than one person), if some 40,000 of them already overthrew it, to take total control of your lives through dictate,
whether through health care virus emergency powers, power grab, or whatever they tell you with their media,

the summer riots didn't need to overthrow a government they had already overthrown, and
backlash, was anyone saying, Hey, don't do that,

And, knowing there would be those who wish to backlash and say Hey don't do that, the 40,000, set up traps, in the form of get togethers, to invite those who would rightly feel, Hey don't take the country and use it wrong,
so they invite them to get togethers like, January 6th, and then orchestrate events to create an outcome where they can say anyone who cared enough to stand up and say, hey don't do that, to the country as founded,
would look like
or the media could make them look like, or pretend that they are now fighting against the country they are standing up for.
So how do you define the country, is the country the Leftist party that bunglardizes the constitution and ignores the rules in protecting the interests of whatever they serve, ( a multinational, America last, trillionaires pay for it, actions that help enemy countries) establishment,
or
Is the country the Constitution, as founded, Stars and Stripes, follow the rules, count the votes, I.D. the voters listen to the will of the people, put America first for the benefit of those who live in the USA,

At some point #2 became #1, and #1 has no need to overthrow anything, just to make apparent to people who don't understand that #2 doesn't exist anymore, and
when you say,
Hey! don't do that;
You are going to be portrayed as a traitor, but
a traitor to the revolution? or a traitor to the country?

What is the country anymore?

Well you only partially explain, because you didn't include that nobody can be accepted by the democratic left unless, evidently, they join the false cult of government established religion the denys God as creator and serves climates, evolution, secular humanism, the lusts of mankind, and the wickedness of ever increasing (degrading or tearing down) of the established sexes, Male, and Female.
and will inevitably lead to a worship demand of some false idol, and or, the bringing in of a middle eastern type establishment of shrea type law, if the anti-Christ doesn't set itself up beforehand.

No, over the summer nobody tried to take over our government. Nobody tried to overturn our elections and install an illegitimate government. Nobody.

The anti Christ lost the 2020 presidential election.