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Time will tell how right I am... Then I'll post "wish you were here" for my reply to you and this post.

I'm sidetracking this thread because of that video. Some time in the mid 80's, a friend of mine drug me to a Bruce Hornsby concert at Pine Knob in Detroit. It's a really nice outdoor venue. The backup was Melissa Etheridge. Not a big fan of either, but both put on a fantastic show. Talented artists pouring their souls into their music on a beautiful summer evening is a good way to describe it.

You seem to keep trying to say that I'm against progressive ideas. Yet as we've discussed in the past that's simply not true. The only actual difference between us is I don't think the country is ready to elect a president as of now that promotes some of that platform. I do however think it will come in time.

The thing is I understand much progress can be made in the meantime. You seem to say you're willing to derail that progress and actually help assist our nation in going backwards by withholding your vote until a progressive candidate that gives you everything all at once wins the nomination.

Somebody is trippin'. jfan didn't mention any of that that I could find. But I see you are still stuck on that incrementalism lie from the corporatists. The country is not ready for a Progressive POTUS because characters like you bad mouth the hell out of any that run. I've witnessed you calling Bernie a socialist in the bad way when he was ahead. I've witnessed you more than once admonishing any progressive ideas as radical and extremist while dismissing them as ridiculous. I've seen you belittle anybody that doesn't tow the centrist dem line when you think they should and to do your damnedest to demean anyone who would speak or fight against those beliefs. We have been boys on here for years and you frame many comments to me (and others) as if we are mentally handicapped, insane, or incompetent when we don't see things just like you. You have been under fire all over the board for always wanting to attack and I used to defend you, but not any more because I'm seeing that much of it you earn.

AND don't try to compare me to you because I don't say crap like "I don't think you are capable of comprehending how it works"... crap like that is how you talk to the other side of the aisle, not people who vote with you... But I'm sure this will offend you and I'll get a long winded blah blah blah post in response. So don't bother, because I don't care anymore. You are who you are and I am who I am, we will never see eye to eye on politics because I can't support many of the things you think are just fine.

No, they're not ready for a progressive because if a progressive can't even win the Democratic nomination they sure as hell aren't going to win the general election.

I admonish people who keep claiming this nation is ready for a progressive president because a progressive can't even win the democratic nomination for president.

Somehow you claim you understand how things work but still can't figure out that if Manchin refuses to vote for a bill the Democrats lose 50 to 49. In case you missed it, that's not "about me".

Get this through your thicker than normal head, you can't expect progressives, green party, libertarians, or anybody not towing the Dem establishment or Republican party lines to win a nomination in rigged elections. But I know you can't see that with your corporatist blinders on.

And Manchin only refuses because they allow him to refuse. If you think for a second Biden couldn't change that in the backroom dealings then you are super naive.

Rigged elections? So now you're saying trump is our legitimate president?

I know you think everyone but bernie and AOC work back room deals. According to you they're the only politicians in The United States who would never stoop to such a thing and never ever compromise for the better good of the American people.

lmao, show me where I said anything about Trump being legit... I'll wait.

AND YES, the primaries are rigged. That was established in court when the DNC said it didn't matter how people voted, it was their party and they pick the nominee. But you probably missed that because they put up a centrist in the popcorn slayer.

Again, show me where I ever said that. You like to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. I love Bernie and AOC because they are not fake, not because I don't think they ever compromise. There is nothing wrong with compromise as long as you put in the work to fight for what you want, and that goes for all politicians. You can't see that Joe and Kamala pulled up short of actually fighting for minimum wage can you? smh

What the DNC said in court doesn't really change the fact that Bernie lost the vote. I think that's part of your problem. Rather than look at what someone actually does or the actual results, you're too busy listening to what someone says.

You're the one who said the election was rigged. And for future reference, when someone ends a sentence with a question mark, that indicates it's a question, not a statement. You're welcome.

Progressives fight, period.

Just an opinion here... Far Left is just as bad as Far Right. Neither speak for the majority of US citizens.. But they do like to divide us.

BULL!

Show me where the left tried to overthrow the government. Show me where the left banned people for their race or religion. Show me where the left turns their backs on the working class. Show me where and when the left tried to install a dictator. Show me the fascist and racists on the left.

You can't because there is no comparison and this thing you just said is a pure garbage talking point put out by the corporatists centrists to hold onto power. Sorry you fell for that.

So it was a rigged election? Hmmmm


You are right. Fascists aren't on the left. That is where the communists live.

He's talking about the DNC nomination. There was actual evidence of this in 2016.

....so there is evidence that democrats rig elections....hmmmmm

The ones they have actual control over, yes.

The defining line here is the evidence part.

What one man claims is evidence another man may call BS.

And the beat goes on

And then the other man continues the BIG LIE to support the goober they voted for... and the beat goes on.

There is no "Big lie" only some have a foolish perception. There's three years and eleven months to pass a minimum wage bill and Biden beat Bernie outright for the nomination. Anything said contrary to that is a big lie.

What would that be Peen? You're being somewhat vague.

I was speaking in general.. the Far Right is no better than the Far Left.. Neither has the best interest of the majority of Americans.

I honestly can't think of a time when the far Left tried to overthrow the government...

I think to reconcile the dispute between you two, I think the "far left" you are referring to is different than progressives, which may be who OCD is defending.

Yes. I get called far left and radical left all the time for being progressive in here. Then Daman says the far left and far right are the same. BS. Further to the left of me would be full on socialists, anarchists, and communists/marxists. And I don't think any of them are as bad as the far right militias, nazis, nationalists, and hate groups at all. As a matter of fact I think the "center" in American politics is right wing. I think the true left starts between non-moderate libs and progressives.

So anything left of being a moderate is a moderate?



And there you have it.

Jane Fonda, Black Panthers, Abby Hoffman and late 60's political unrest because of the Vietnam war would be the closest thing. Democrats were labeled after that a being anti-American commies and socialists...

? There you go feeling butt hurt and chirping something ridiculous when I didn't even mention you. I think other countries see both American Ds and Rs as right wing, at least I've heard that. America doesn't have a true left major party... I can see how that confuses you Pit, but it's not an attack on moderates, it's just a fact. Heck, in your lifetime you have seen the center move right and if you haven't then you were not paying attention.

Not in my lifetime. JFK wasn't any more, and maybe less liberal than Biden.

I've told you before, you nor anyone with your political leanings make me butt hurt. They amuse me.

NOPE. You are definitely obsessed with me like a stalker. You have to rag on every progressive post I make on here and on FB. I used to call arch a stalker, but you are way worse than him about it. Get this, you do not have to comment on my every post for your political philosophy to survive. As long as there are sheeple in the world, it will thrive.

You obviously do not understand how "social media" works. I'll comment where I want, when I want. Watching you rant and complain about everything that doesn't go your way is comical.

I have an older neighbor that does that too. She is always out at the gossip fence talking about crap that is none of her business because she thinks she is so important that people will hang on her every word, while what we really do is roll our eyes at her idiotic petulance and outdated world views. She's a boomer too.

I don't actually care what you do. I think when you use the word we it must mean you and the turd in your pants.

not in my pants, between your ears.

I've seen first graders with more imagination.

I don't know, I turned it from crap my pants to your brains... all I'm saying. And what does that make you, a first grade bully talking turds anyway? smh. You should just quit bro, a battle of wits against me is not a winning proposition for you. It's like snap pops vs. nukes.

Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.

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