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So....

1. Bieber- 25 yrs
2. Plesac- 26 yrs
3. Civale- 25 yrs
4. McKenzie- 23 yrs
5. Quantril/Allen- 26/23 yrs

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I haven't been following ST as much as other years, so maybe I'm off here. That's a young squad.



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It's without a doubt about manipulating Bradley's service time. A disservice to the player(s) who put in the work and earned the job, in addition to, the message it sends about the Tribe's intentions to field the most competitive team and creating clubhouse division.

I assume Bauers, through no real fault of his own, gets the side eye in the clubhouse from several players.



It is all about options, or lack thereof on Bauers. No doubt. I thought they would keep both on the roster regardless who was deemed the starter. I don't have high hopes for Bauers as we have a pretty decent sample size on this performance but he is 25.

I get why the Indians do this. They always do. They did it with Lindor. He was ready, and everyone wanted to see him ASAP, yet the Indians kept him in the minors as long as they could. Cleveland's best leverage against the player pricing himself out of what they are willing to pay is the control of time with the organization because we all know, 9/10 times when a player gets too good they are long gone. Blame the Dolans. Blame the MLB structure. Blame whoever/whatever. But those are the guardrails in which the Indians currently reside. And more times than not, Antonetti has made the best, longview approach for Tribe.

I'll wait and see.

It sucks about Zimmer too. His time might be coming to a close.


I certainly understand why the Indians operate this way, it's just frustrating when it's a guy like Bauers who is just terrible and has been given plenty of opportunities.

It's like re-watching the Matt LaPorta Experience.

I hope we are not about to re-enter the Eric Wedge years 2.0.


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Yikes....Matt LaPorta. Now there is a name I'd like to forget.


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Could be a trash offense in 2021.


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Can't wait to see Bauers, Gamel, and Hedges hit 7-8-9 sometime soon. Jeez, talk about a black hole in the line up ...

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Bauers now .152, 0-2 today with 2k’s

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Austin Hedges at C and batting 9th. He's 0-3 and batting .052 for the spring. Ben Gamel is DH today, batting lead-off, and he went 0-3, now batting .179. Bauers actually had an RBI double (his 1st RBI of the spring), shooting his avg up to .200, and his OPS to .690. Good grief.

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Gamel 0-15, Luplow 0-15, heading into the season. Luplow I believe is carrying a strong .000 avg into the season. Gamel not much better at .179

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What an organization !

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Like the kids Miller and Freedman in camp..

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Seems like all the young players had pretty good spring training, a shame a few won’t get the chance in bigs the summer.

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I didn't see much of Tyler Freeman, but he's had impressive stats this spring. Owen Miller - all he did was hit line drives every time I saw him play. AAA Columbus Clippers might have a better offense than the big club here in Cleveland.

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When it comes to Cleveland Indians worries, what are we missing? – Terry Pluto

https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2021/03/...erry-pluto.html


CLEVELAND, Ohio – Well, we know the pitching will hold up.

At least, that’s what most experts are saying about the Tribe.

But do we know that, at least early in the 2021 season?

I like the bullpen. Emmanuel Clase was throwing 100 mph in spring training. James Karinchak is not ready to close, but he can be dominating.

Manager Terry Francona hasn’t designated a closer, but it could be Nick Wittgren, at least some of the time. Phil Maton and Trevor Stephan have terrific young arms. I saw Stephan twice in Goodyear. He was a starter in the Yankee farm system, and perhaps could eventually do that if needed.

Cal Quantrill had a 2.25 ERA in relief last season, 32 innings between the Tribe and San Diego. He’s now in the bullpen after a rocky spring as a starter.

Oliver Perez looks like he will pitch forever.

The bullpen...good news.

The lineup...lots of reasons to worry. But that’s not new news.

THE OLD SPRING SONG

Let’s start with the old, “I know it’s spring training, so don’t be fooled...”

I’ll add another verse: “I know it’s spring training in Arizona, where the dry air flattens out breaking balls and the whipping wind can make life miserable.”

There’s a third verse about Arizona often is heaven for hitters. That’s why I’m concerned about Jake Bauers (.200) and to a lesser extent, Josh Naylor (.195).

I don’t know what to say about Austin Hedges (2-for-35 with 20 strikeouts) besides...YIKES!

Veteran hitters and pitchers are exempt from any spring performance discussion.

A LITTLE BASEBALL LOVE

That said, I have fallen into baseball love with Owen Miller, much like I did Yandy Diaz the first time I saw him in spring training with the Tribe. Acquired in the Mike Clevinger deal, Miller has hammered the ball all spring.

He’s hitting .400 (16-for-40, .955 OPS) with a homer and two doubles. He has one walk in 40 at-bats. But only eight strikeouts. He’s headed to the minors, but the infielder won’t be there long.

Miller is not a desert mirage. He batted .290 (.785 OPS) in Class AA in 2019. He was 22 years old, and that was his first full pro season after being a third-round pick by San Diego in the 2018 draft.

After the Tribe made the Clevinger deal with the Padres last season, an executive raved to me about Miller. He thought it was a superb move by the Tribe because the guy “can flat-out hit.”

SO WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?

I’m not going to dwell on this, because I could be wrong.

But the starting pitching is so young in terms of MLB experience.

After Cy Young Award winner Shane Bieber (and he’s only 25), no member of the Tribe’s projected rotation has more than 29 big league starts.

I mentioned my concern about the youth of the rotation to Francona in a Zoom call Monday.

“That’s real,” said the manager. “There’s no reason to not talk about it. If we don’t anticipate there will be a hiccup on the way, we’re probably not being realistic.”

Francona then mentioned what he told the pitchers in a recent meeting:

“We said ‘We know we’re young. But when (Zach) Plesac takes the mound, when (Aaron) Civale takes the mound...and Logan Allen, we feel like we’ve got a chance to win.’ And that’s how we feel. Yeah, we are kind of young. But I don’t think that means we back off of competing.”

It is spring training...

“You’d like to see better results (from some starters),” admitted Tribe president Chris Antonetti. “But in spring training, it can be tough to assess results.”

Antonetti talked about pitchers working on a certain pitch or pitch sequences, or how to command the strike zone in different situations. There are a lot of variables.

THINKING ABOUT THE STARTERS

Here’s a breakdown:

I love watching him pitch...Mr. Cy Young Shane Bieber is the next Corey Kluber.

I’m not too worried about...Zach Plesac, even though he had been shelled for 9 home runs in 23 1/3 innings. I saw his one good spring game. When it counts, Plesac is 12-8 with a 3.32 ERA. Opposing batters have hit only .223 off him in 29 MLB starts.

I wonder a bit about...Aaron Civale. Like every Tribe starter except Logan Allen and Bieber, Civale had a lousy spring with a 6.14 ERA and four homers in 14 2/3 innings. He had a 2.34 ERA in 10 starts as a rookie in 2019. In 2020, that ERA soared to 4.74, allowing 11 homers in 74 innings. He doesn’t have overpowering stuff. He has 22 MLB starts.

I have doubts about...Triston McKenzie. Not long term, if he can stay healthy. But for right now. A control pitcher with a mid-90s fastball last season, McKenzie walked 12 in 19 1/3 spring inning. He was crushed for 7 HR. He gave up 6 HR in 33 1/3 innings last season. He’s only 23 and has dealt with injuries in the recent past. Patience probably is required. He has six MLB starts.

I had high hopes for...Cal Quantrill. But he had a miserable spring with a 8.78 ERA and nine walks and 19 hits in 13 1/3 innings. He’s 26 with 21 big league starts. He has had some success in the bullpen, where he will open for the Tribe. That could be his best role. He has 21 MLB starts.

I’m excited about...Logan Allen. Antonetti said the lefty “has been one of the high points of camp for all of us.” I saw him throw four sharp innings, giving up his only run of the spring. In 2018, he was 14-6 with a 2.54 ERA between Class AA and AAA at the age of 21. He has four MLB starts.

Allen developed some mechanical problems with his motion. The Tribe’s pitching group simplified his delivery. He throws from the stretch, much like the motion that turned around Carlos Carrasco’s career. He’s only 23 and could be something special.

The Tribe does have depth in the minors.

Scott Moss had a neck problem and pitched little this spring. The 26-year-old lefty has a career 41-17 record with a 3.28 ERA in the minors. Along with Allen, he came to the Tribe in the Trevor Bauer deal.

The Tribe believes Eli Morgan and Sam Hentges can develop into MLB starters.

“If we have a problem that we need to fix, we’ll do our best to fix it,” said Francona. “But I think our pitching guys have really done a good job and I think that will continue.”


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Projected opening day lineup ,, Just give ya the chills ..lol

1) Jordan Luplow, CF
2) Cesar Hernandez, 2B
3) José Ramírez, 3B
4) Eddie Rosario, LF
5) Franmil Reyes, DH
6) Josh Naylor, RF
7) Jake Bauers, 1B
8) Roberto Pérez, C
9) Andrés Giménez, SS

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Projected opening day lineup ,, Just give ya the chills ..lol

1) Jordan Luplow, CF
2) Cesar Hernandez, 2B
3) José Ramírez, 3B
4) Eddie Rosario, LF
5) Franmil Reyes, DH
6) Josh Naylor, RF
7) Jake Bauers, 1B
8) Roberto Pérez, C
9) Andrés Giménez, SS




Never to be confused with the '95 line up:

1. Kenny Lofton CF
2. Omar Vizquel SS
3. Carlos Baerga 2B
4. Albert Belle LF
5. Eddie Murray DH
6. Jim Thome 3B
7. Manny Ramirez RF
8. Paul Sorrento 1B
9. Sandy Alomar C

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Gosh, what a sick lineup that was. Too bad the Braves had the pitchers they had.


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Here’s a friendly reminder that Francona and Antonetti covered up for Calloway.

Maybe the team will hold them accountable and fire them?

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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
Gosh, what a sick lineup that was. Too bad the Braves had the pitchers they had.


Too bad the umps had the strike zone they had for Braves pitchers in that '95 World Series.

Not that I'm bitter ...

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Here’s a friendly reminder that Francona and Antonetti covered up for Calloway.

Maybe the team will hold them accountable and fire them?


We have a thread for that discussion. This is a baseball thread.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...way#Post1850604

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just Rocket being Rocket ! lol

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No Bauers!


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Francisco Lindor extension rumors: Mets make $325M offer; Steve Cohen says 'I hope he decides to sign'
Lindor, however, is reportedly seeking as much as $385 million

By Dayn Perry
Mar 30, 2021 at 1:18 pm ET

The New York Mets have offered a deal close to 10 years and $325 million to All-Star shortstop Francisco Lindor as the two sides continue to work toward an agreement for a contract extension, Andy Martino of SNY reported on Monday night. Such a deal would be second only to Mookie Betts' $365 million deal with the Dodgers among extensions signed by players with between five and six years of MLB service time -- i.e., those in or headed into their walk years.

However, Anthony DiComo of MLB.com adds that Lindor is seeking $385 million. That puts to two sides still far apart with little time before the likely deadline of Opening Day. A source tells DiComo that the Mets have made their final offer. That, of course, could be posturing from a club official designed to ratchet up the pressure on Lindor and his representatives.

It's not certain whether the Mets' proposed contract would begin with the 2021 or 2022 season. If agreed to, the average annual value of $32.5 million would be the ninth-largest such figure in MLB history. The deal would also tie Giancarlo Stanton's extension he signed with the Marlins as the fourth-largest in the history of the sport.

Martino's report comes soon after Lindor's face-to-face meeting with team owner Steve Cohen. ESPN's Jeff Passan reported that Lindor and Cohen met for dinner on Saturday night to discuss the possibility of a new contract that would remove Lindor from the 2021-22 crop of free agents and keep him in Queens for years to come.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/franc...ecides-to-sign/


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$34M/year.


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I know many a Ballplayer qet paid over the top money . To have to submit to the incompetence that is the MLB is something else .

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Hmnnn. I wonder how the new owners of Fox Sports Ohio feel about this.

Bye bye Brucie.

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Can I just say that I wish Tom Hamilton would stop calling outs "a good at-bat". The outcome of an at-bat defines the at-bat.

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