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Lamar Jackson is in the group with Baker. If you have him you are very happy but there are still better QBs in the league.

I am just glad we are having this conversation instead of wading through the QB muck that some teams currently are.

At this point, there is no QB I trade Baker for. None.

The grass is NOT greener over there.
Here, on this team, with this coach, in this offense - it's Baker.
Period.

This is crazy.

To each his own; I think you're crazy for not seeing it and agreeing.

Why is it crazy IMO Baker is perfect for Cleveland and I would not trade him for any other QB either ...

This is crazy.

You guys know that when you say “any other QB” that includes Patrick Mahomes, right?

Yes.

There is no acceptable argument for anyone taking Baker over Mahomes. And the same can be said for Watson too. Other than being a huge homer.

I disagree.
There is no throw either can make that Baker can't. So, you lose some scrambling ability. That's it.

The rest of their "magic" is 90% the supporting cast. It's the freakish nature of both Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce. Take them away and limit his running and what have you got? A very normal looking QB just like we saw in the Super Bowl.

Put Baker in the same offense for three seasons with receivers that just always find ways to get open and see how you feel.

I say it again: this offense, this team, here and now... I keep Baker 10/10 times.

I have a lot of personal mula invested in Baker:

2 Elite jerseys $700
and a $1900 Signed helmet he wears on the field including viser.

I think you’re wrong.

Baker is as good as Dak, Josh Allen, Hebert.
And, while I think Russell Wilson is a top 7 or 10 QB, I don’t think of him as a ‘great’. Very good, but not great.

Mayfield is getting better.

Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB - all day.

I would take Baker over Allen, Prescott, and Herbert as well.

Mahomes does things I've never seen a quarterback do. He's pretty special. He's not invincible. Tampa Bay proved that.

I actually think anyone who believes Allen or Lamar are better than Baker is crazy.

The funny thing is Allen's 2020 campaign was an anomaly. He's not an accurate passer, but he finally completed almost 70% of his passes. He's never done that before. Ever. What was different? Diggs.

The Browns lost their best receiver for the season and yet Baker continued to get better.

Both Allen and Jackson have benefitted from having a great defense. I think the Ravens are top 5 in defense every year Jackson has started. The Bills weren't as great in 2020 but I know they had a phenomenal defense the year prior.

I saw the Bills-Ravens playoff game. If you came away thinking these two quarterbacks are who's going to dominate the NFL the next 10 years you gotta be crazy. Lamar couldn't do anything and Allen looked like a hot mess. Allen equally looked a wreck vs the Chiefs. The dude just doesn't have "it." He looked overmatched.

Allen scored 10 points vs the Ravens. The Browns scored 42. That's 6 touchdowns. Six!

Imagine if the Bills had Baker or the Browns had the Bills defense, either scenario could net a super bowl title.

As far as Watson goes... He has as many playoff wins as Baker. I wouldn't trade for that. No way.

Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB in my mind, but can you imagine the uproar around here if we traded Baker for a SHORTER quarterback?

I actually think it's great how little respect Baker receives and how much he's underrated. A shame too. But it'll all work itself out.

For me Baker isn't the flashiest athlete, he's not the fastest or the tallest or the strongest, but the guy just gets it. He gets football, he knows how to win, he's smart, so smart. Baker wasn't a miss or a mistake draft pick. He was selected #1 overall! This isn't an Alex Smith #1 pick. We're just getting started, baby!

So yeah, when someone says Baker is just a good quarterback but he's not as good as Allen or Jackson or even Watson, I think you're crazy, man.

I don't know about Allen's 2020 season being an anomaly. He was very raw coming out of college. Sometimes it just takes a little longer for the light to come on and when you're raw to start with, that doesn't seem unrealistic.

I'm not saying it may not turn out to be an anomaly. I'm saying that making a concrete statement such as that doesn't make sense at this point. The jury is still out on that one. We'll see over the next season or two.

I thought I better edit this so it wasn't taken in a way it wasn't intended. I certainly wouldn't trade Baker for Allen. That wasn't my intent here. My intent was to question that Allen having a good 2020 season was an anomaly.

Mahomes is the only QB I'd clearly take over Baker. He had 2 or 3 incompletions in the Super Bowl that were probably in the top 10 passes I've ever seen.

I also believe that Baker is better than Watson. I actually think Watson is great and overrated at the same time.

I believe Baker is better than Murray, Jackson, Burrow. I think the gap is actually very wide between Baker and those QBs. I think Burrow will end up being very average.

I think it's a toss up between Baker and Allen. I think they are almost the exact same player. Allen has a bigger arm and is taller. Other than that, they both make a ton of plus level throws, love the game, and their teammates love them.

I'm looking forward to a Baker Allen AFCCG next year.

Allen is also a better runner, and in todays NFL, that is a QB metric that needs to be considered.

As to Baker, I won't compare him to this guy or that guy. He is our QB and he is good enough to take us as far as we can go. That's all anybody needs to know.

Can you win with who you have or not? If yes, don't worry about all the other crap.

I don't necessarily disagree, but last season was a difference in production for Allen. To me that's an anomaly.

Allen has much bigger potential to go the way of Wentz/Goff than Baker in my opinion.

I believe Lamar is holding true to who he is, but I'm not sure he's part of the formula for sustained production and winning.

I think the greatest potential and your best odds for long term success lies with Baker.

The others may work out just fine. If I'm building a team to win for just one season, yes, sure I'm considering other options, but right now right here in today's football you ask me to pick a quarterback who will have long term success in this league, it's Baker all day long over several and almost all. Yes, he's older than Mahomes, so Mahomes is definitely in the talks, but after that all others fall behind.

One thing for me about Allen and Lamar... I've seen them both struggle in the playoffs. To me this is crucial. Maybe some day one of them will win a super bowl.

In my opinion Baker has the character make up to transcend playoff struggles, encouraging teammates to rise up and say give me one chance, just one more chance and we'll win this game.

I think it's one thing to say it, but it's another to get the entire team to believe it. This is what Baker can do that Allen and Lamar don't/can't. And for this reason the best player comp to Baker for me is Tom Brady.

Actually I agreed with you that I wouldn't trade Baker for Allen. Allen's 2020 season could be an anomaly or it could be his natural progression. The picture isn't clear on that as of yet.

I'm not going to get into QB comparisons because they all have differing skills that transfer differently on the field. Much like yourself, Mahomes would be the only other NFL QB that I would give any consideration to.

I have no idea who this Twitter account belongs to or the accuracy of his claim.


What I do know is I love the video.

Totally agree and another important thing is that his enthusiasm and swagger is so infectious that he can fill a whole stadium with that “crazy” belief. It’s like you don’t know what’s going on with you until you suddenly stand up jumping like a maniac and starts to pump your fist in the air screaming

And I would ask: Who has more career upside? Baker has plenty IMO. Others strike me as less.

Watching those highlights, there aren't that many QBs I would rather have than Baker.

For those paying attention at home, when viewing those highlights, pay attention to the fact that not only was he accurate, but he was accurate throwing to every part of the field: left, right, between the hashes, front shoulder, back shoulder, etc...

I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way, but I think this offense still has another gear to it. I think we're going to see it really open up.

Given how things really started to click those last few weeks of the season, I'd agree completely.

Get OBJ healthy, and whether it is him or another WR, if we put a WR out there that can take the top off the D consistently, then you will see defenses choosing which pike to die on.... Passing, or Death by Chubb.

Fun video to watch!

I love how decisive he is, keeps his eyes downfield and trusts his arm.

Once Baker really got into a groove in the offense, we started passing more and more. Quite a few on here were saying that defenses were heavily keying on the run after those first few weeks of the season. I know I was complaining a little about lack of touches going to Chubb and Hunt. I don't know if Baker really gave defensive coordinators an "oh crap" moment where they felt they could shift attention away from our running game.

I think you're absolutely right that this offense could get scary good. Our offensive line will continue to develop and get stronger, and we'll have another opportunity to integrate OBJ into an offense that now appears to have a QB that's comfortable within the system.
We also are gathering the pieces of a competent defense... one that doesn't need to be carried through each game.

It's tempting to get real excited about this team.

Were Jojo Natson or Khaderal Hodge involved?
Just saying.

#Hashtag No Upside, no indeed. #hashtag open your eyes team GM.

Just a head's up. If you put the # in there, you don't have to write hashtag after it...

#NoHastagsRequired

#HashbrownCobraKai ... send it to the internet!

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I really like Baker, but I'd definitely take Mahomes over him. Russell Wilson too.

...And Mahomes over Wilson.

j/c:

I saw Baker Mayfield is trending on Twitter right now and was scared he might have been spotted at The Cheesecake Factory again.....















.....He wasn't.

jc

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I feel very strongly Mayfield is going to be an early MVP candidate this year. Too many stars aligning.

I love what Berry and Stefanski have done so far with the team. This is the one decision I fear they might mess up. Just have a nagging feeling in my gut about it. I hope I am wrong. Wish these guys would take the same approach Balt is dong with Lamar, who isn't even as good as Mayfield. They unequivocally pledge their support and long-term commitment to Lamar. Wish our team would do the same for Mayfield.

Baker is good enough to win with for the next 10 years. Don't make this over complicated.

I somehow stumbled upon several full Browns games from the 80s on youtube. I mean commercials and all. I've been gradually working my way through them. If you want to be tripped out watch these with the commercials. The commercials don't seem like they are 40 years old. They seem like they are 80 years old - the cars, the products, the actors, everthing. It is so weird. But what watching the games has me noticing after the fact is that while Bernie was great (and he was my childhood hero; I love the guy in a way you love sports heroes), Baker is three times the QB Bernie ever was. And Bernie is a hero in Cleveland of a time long lost.

Baker is the answer. Don't make it complicated. Get a deal and extension done. And let's enjoy the next 10 years.