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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — The Tennessee Senate has advanced legislation that would allow most adults 21 and older to carry firearms — concealed or openly — without a license that now requires a background check and training.

The proposal must now pass the House, which is likely in the GOP-dominant chamber.

GOP Gov. Bill Lee has backed the bill and is expected to sign it into law.

Republican senators on Thursday tweaked the original bill to ban those who had been convicted of stalking or driving under the influence from being able to carry a firearm. Those who had been hospitalized or judicially committed in a mental institution would also be banned.

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/tennes...-carry-firearms

For anyone who doesn't think this is stupid maybe they feel we should allow people with zero drivers training to operate a motor vehicle.

I would love to hear someone try to put together a logical argument why allowing someone to carry concealed with no licensing or background check is a good idea.

IMO, this is just as dumb as the opposite extreme (banning guns because they look scary).

I agree. I'm a gun owner myself. While I support the right to own firearms and carry a carry a firearm I think a great deal of responsibility and respect of such firearms should be a part of that.

I think it's a very scary proposition that someone who may have zero experience handling or discharging a firearm can simply go into a gun store, purchase a firearm, then load it and carry it.

I see it as an extremist move to cater to those who believe the "they gonna take mah guns" theory. It seems more like an attempt to bring back the wild west and opens the door for a huge increase in gun accidents and shootings.

This won't end well.

Well bless their hearts.

I agree that gun owners need to be responsible and take a basic gun ownership class.

Most likely people who want to carry will learn how to shoot a gun before they carry. What kind of stupid person carries a gun without knowing how to use it.

Kids, lunatics, and fools.

Dumb people who you give permission to do just that. We both know there's plenty of them around.

The same types that refuse to wear masks in public during a pandemic?

I'm pretty sure every gun owner I know would think this is a bad Idea.. Two cops that live in my neighborhood don't like it at all.

This sounds more like liberal hysteria than an actual problem.

Now you're simply being obtuse.

Plaxico.

This is moronic. Where did this idea even come from, who in the world would even be asking for this to happen?

100%... don't like this bill at all...

That couple in Missouri

This law really does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Bad people or criminals who really want to hurt someone else will do so any way. They would get a gun and carry anyway. Criminals do not care what the law says hence the key word criminal. So this law does not put anymore guns out on the street.

Gun control on the other hand is where stupidity really exists. It only removes guns from those that would handle the gun lawfully and respectfully. A criminal again does not care or respect the law.

2nd Amendment rhetoric brought us here... "they are coming to take your guns!" BS brought us here... It's all part of the right's shift from Conservatism to Fascism and Authoritarianism. This is the result of rationalizing that danger from the "other" is worse than every idiot having a loaded gun in their pocket. The right is embracing all of the worst that humanity has to offer in some sort of screw you to normalcy and decency.

You don't need a permit to open carry in Ohio.

Open carry is one thing... concealed carry is another. I don't want the toothless lowbrow idiots around me carrying a gun thinking it's their duty to protect me in a bad situation... That would be like Barney and his bullet x1000. And don't take me wrong, these are good hearted people in general that would do anything to help you. It's just that critical thinking is not their strong suit to begin with, then if you add in the high pressure situation... NOPE, not me. I don't want that at all.

Should there even be any laws then? I mean the law breakers are just going to break them anyway. Why bother, right?

Toothless, lowbrow, non critical thinkers.

That sums up your thinking for me.

Overall I am a bit dubious of this myself, but don't put too much emphasis on training. Lot's of "trained" drivers drive like idiots. It is the same with gun safety courses.

I look at it like this, a concealed gun doesn't really bother me.

First, if the person is up to go good, they usually conceal their gun as long as possible, permit or not.

Second, a concealed weapon never killed anyone*. It's the one you see being pointed at you that gives you a problem.

* Ok...I am sure one has from time to time, but you know what I mean. I add this to keep Daman from asking me to prove it, or some of the others pointing out some random case here or there.

Good hearted, like the ones that stormed the capital? That kinda good hearted..

Look I get what your saying I think, but it's my personal belief that everyone that wants a gun should be allowed to have one. But I ask that they go through a strong background check and Drug Screening. I also believe that if you want a gun, you should be willing to pay for that background check and drug screening.

You pass all that, have at it.

It really should be as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license.

How about as hard to vote?

There are lots of responsible gun owners that I never think that way about. But after seeing these 2nd amendment protests, the storming of statehouses and the insurrection... not every idiot needs or should have a gun because they are just plain ass stupid. But you play victim and cry about how I talk about them all you want. I don't care how you feel about it.

I have no issues with that either. But I don't want every tom dick and harry to have a gun tucked under their shirts in public either. Hell people fight over parking spaces and how you looked at them... why would anyone want to put unseen guns in that mix. Then you take the daily things like going to a restaurant or bar, maybe a grocery store, maybe a school or daycare, maybe the workplace... there is just no need for people to have hidden guns at all these places. I would change this view in a heartbeat if people could be trusted not to do stupid crap, but if we know anything, we know that you can't count on that.

Concealed carry bothers me more than open carry. If he see someone carrying i can take a long look at his setup/holster and get an idea if he's got things squared away or if he's a soon-to-be MSNBC headline.

The way I see it, these types of moves that page the way for irresponsible to downright criminal gun ownership are actually a threat to the 2nd, not supporting it. It's the morons that will ruin it for the majority, and stuff like this paves the way for that.

I hate this because I don't like it when it happens to me, but I have to correct you on the use of "page", the saying is "paves" the way, like makes the road clear. Sorry, I'm not the english police but I know you are not stupid and can handle it for what it is.

I certainly sound a lot dumber when I'm on my phone and autocorrect is scheming against me.

I understand the basis for what you're saying but I'm not buying it. If you wish to excuse the behavior of law abiding citizens by using the acts of criminals as a guideline, what does that say about society?

I'm someone who understands that the laws and requirements for legal concealed carrying of a firearm will have a great impact on the weight of the arguments the opposition has when fighting our right to conceal carry weapons. If we just say who cares about any standards to carry a concealed weapon, we're handing those who wish to limit our freedoms more ammunition to use against us.

For some odd reason, I expect law abiding citizens to have and keep a higher standard than the average criminal on the street. I know that sounds crazy, but.

Trump proved law abiding citizens are schmucks.

So you and I aren't law abiding citizens? Are you saying Biden voters aren't law abiding citizens? I find your post confusing.

No. I'm saying Trump showed that people who ARE law abiding citizens are schmucks for thinking that doing the right thing all the time is who we are... NOPE. We are lead by crooks and criminals like Trump with so much wealth that they are all but impervious to the same laws the rest of us expect all americans to follow. There are two Americas and two sets of rules... if you have enough financial or political power, you can do whatever you want for the most part without repercussions. If you are a law abiding citizen who buys into law and order, and expects other to do the same... well you are a schmuck for thinking that it works that way. That's what I'm saying.

Just take paying taxes as an example. How in the world can anyone justify what Trump paid in taxes? I mean I know people making less than 75K who paid way more than Trump... because they follow the rules for working people while Trump does what the rich do.

Thanks for the explanation. I've never set my moral goal posts up by the actions of others. But I do understand what you were saying now.

LOl...he is saying you are a schmuck.

He explained it. Not saying I totally agree with his explanation but I understand it.

so just to be clear, as a minority, nobody in Tennessee will have a problem with me walking around like Rambo, correct?

if, in theory, i was a state resident there.

like, no problem whatsoever? i can even walk around with a sword like I'm Blade if i want?

Sure and if you don't get jumped like Trayvon, stepped on like George, or straight up killed in custody; then you'd be the first POC to accomplish that there.

If I had to venture a guess, in at last most parts of this state I would say no.

Well, Tennessee just gave those wishing to limit our gun rights the ammunition they need to convince even more people that gun owners are actually "gun nuts".

Tennessee lawmakers pass ‘permitless carry’ despite last-minute efforts to stop the bill

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) – State lawmakers have passed legislation to allow Tennessee residents to carry handguns without a carry permit.

The House voted 64-29 Monday evening to pass House Bill 786.

Earlier Monday, gun control advocates, emergency room doctors and pastors — representing nearly 800 faith-based leaders stood shoulder to shoulder calling on Governor Bill Lee to reject one of his top legislative priorities.

“The permitless carry of firearms that can take life unjustly is immoral,” one pastor said.

Shaundelle Brooks, the mother of Akilah Aasilva a Waffle House shooting victim said, “We don’t want your sympathy, we want your action.”

Brooks, a leading voice on on gun control measures, was part of the group to attempt to deliver the letters to the door step of the Governor but was denied.

However, Lee didn’t back down.

“I think it’s really important in our state that we that we protect the lives of Tennesseans, that we protect the constitutional rights of Tennesseans that we fight crime including gun crime wherever we can— I think it’s possible to do all of those,” Lee said.

Rev. Dr. Judy Cummings, pastor emeritus of New Covenant Christian Church in Nashville.

“It is well known by the faith community that Governor Lee’s connection and commitment to the money and influence of the NRA over against the will of 84 percent of Tennesseans and the advice of numerous experts including the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the Tennessee Sheriff’s Association,” Cummings said. Adding, “Governor Lee clearly, clearly demonstrates his corruption and commitment to political donations and power over the will and safety of Tennesseans.”

The bill is a part of what Governor Lee is calling his public safety agenda.

The legislation also increases criminal penalties including a class E felony for stealing guns.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/mi...medium=referral

Our governor calls this part of his "public safety agenda". There were many places I felt relatively safe going without carrying a firearm. This changes all of that.