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3% is a bit crazy just because a couple guys had bad 40's at the combine in the past. But that would be like Parsons running a 4.52 and Oweh running a 4.49, so...ehh...maybe?

If Horn drops enough, he could be a target for us in a trade up.

Indy's pick at 21 could be our trade point.

JC...

A couple guys I was liking in the middle out of Michigan...( WR Nico Collins and CB Ambry Thomas) Collins WR 6'4 1/2 215 lbs 4.42 speed, and ran an amazing 3 cone with 38 vert...

Thomas came in at 5'11 191 lbs (put on a lot of muscle, as he was like 170 lbs in 2019) ran a blazing 4.37 with 38 vert...

DE Kwity Paye put on a show, 4.52 speed and 36 reps of 225lbs...LB McGrone has a huge wing span for being 6'0

Collins is a pretty solid mid-round option.

I hope if we are looking at a bigger WR, he is our option...We can really use a big physical wideout (and that speed helps as well)

If he is good. No doubt it is a strong WR class deep in to the draft, but something has this guy projected in the area of rounds 4-5.

Here's a report I found on him.

Positives: Large, strong possession receiver with reliable hands. Plays big-boy football, fights with his hands to separate from defenders, and gets vertical to come away with the reception when defenders are draped on him. Finds the open spot on the field, tracks the pass in the air, and possesses strong hands, displaying the ability to pull the ball away from his frame. Nicely makes the reception on crossing patterns. Reliable.

Negatives: Lacks quickness, speed and any semblance of a deep burst. Not a sharp route runner and gathers into breaks.

Analysis: Prior to opting out last season, Collins was a productive wideout who consistently came away with the reception when the ball was thrown in his direction. His inability to separate through route running or speed is an issue. Collins will be a solid Day 2 selection for a team needing a big, strong possession receiver.

Here is something I certainly liked reading about him....

If nothing else, Nico Collins has the luxury of boasting high school pedigree — if boasting was his thing. It’s not. Known as a humble, hard-working player, Collins sweat for every opportunity he earned. But it helped to be a 6-foot-4, 202-pound high school senior in 2017.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nico-collins-nfl-draft-player-profile-michigan-wide-receiver/

There's more information on him at the above link. I mean I know you're not big on links and all but.... Just sayin'

I'm sure as well, since drafting DPJ...our team has scouted Nico as well...I'm sure opting out this past year may hurt him a little, but that may make it better for us (especially if we are looking at DE, CB, DT, and perhaps LB first) And most of the cons on Collins are correct...His routes can be sharper, He's not a jitterbug and ain't going to make a lot of people miss (more of like Herman Moore esque...I know a lot are now saying Mike Evans) But as noted, WR class this year is amazingly deep. I would however like a big body WR for our WR core, especially in the redzone and 50/50 balls. Guy is half a inch from being 6'5...would def. add a dimension we don't have.

Browns need speed on Offense. I would prefer a smaller, considerably faster WR who can take the top off defenses. Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, Eskridge, etc.

Would love to get Rondale Moore he brings speed and return ability

So would I. A couple of those guys might sniff the first round but more like 2nd round.

I was just mentioing Collins in response to someone else bringing him up and agreeing he could be a pretty solid mid round pick.

He is kind of a Higgins clone, but taller.

Elijah or Rondale Moore, you bet I would want them.!

JC...


I think Collins is closer to DPJ than Higgins in skill...but I can see the similarity.

I'm not opposed to bringing a lightning quick creative wideout, as I think that is a facet we are missing in our offense as well.

I've only seen highlights of Rondale Moore, and he was very dynamic (kind of reminded me of Brandin Cooks)

However, I have read his hands are horrid...that scares me, as you don't want to draft the next Troy Williamson with an early pick...5'7 is so minute in size as well.

I've attached a link I read awhile back, describing he has the worst hands in the class.

https://primetimesportstalk.com/2020/12/31/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-rondale-moore/

I guy I have heard about that fits the super quick (but also fast) Wr that can be had in the later rounds is Jaelon Darden out of North Texas.

Only 5'9 175# but supposed like he's being controlled with a joystick.

This is not my recommendation as I haven't seen him but he is I guy I have heard about multiple time while researching this draft.

Yeah I really like that part of Jaelon Darden, guy creates a lot of YAC being so fast and elusive. Admittingly, I've never seen true full games from him (only youtube highlights, which of course can make anyone look rather amazing) But I do think Darden is a safer pick in rounds 3-5, versus Ronald Moore in rounds 1-3...I think he too measured at 5'7. I do not hate Ronald Moore (heck at one point I was wanting him in round 2...But he has severe issues with his hands, injuries, and frame...but tantalizing assets as well) I just think he may have more of a bust factor to him.

I honestly have a hard time evaluating players from weaker divisions or small schools (several years ago I remember when OT Julian Davenport was being mentioned here, and I swear I thought I was watching high school tape)

There's another WR Marquez Stevenson out of Houston who is a fast jitterbug playmaker...Has some hands and injury concerns, then again is more of a mid to late round guy (which is a safer pick imho) I know I kind of like WR Shi Smith late in the draft, though he's not really a dynamic guy. I know a lot here like Amari Rodgers, whom I think can thrive in a slot position. Also the UNC guy Dazz Newsome (not Dyami Brown...whom I know has a lot of buzz) Newsome reminds me of Amari Rodgers as well.

I think we are very fortunate of the WR talent this year, heck the past couple years the WR talent has been really loaded imho. Should be able to come out with someone whom can stretch the field for us and add an added element to our O (either a sudden elusive playmaker or big body jump WR)

JC...

Kentucky's pro day should be a good one tomorrow. I like OT Landon Young late in the draft...I know LB Jamin Davis has been getting alot of buzz, Jamar Watson is an interesting guy later in the draft (whom is actually the better of the two LBs)

If we select a linebacker with our 1st, Davis might be the guy.

A few updates.

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft/2021-nfl-pro-day-live-blog-tracker

Baron Browning has defiantly raised his stock in todays Buckeye pro day, possibly from the 3rd round to the 2nd Rd. ...

Baron Browning 2021 NFL Draft Profile
Height: 6’3″
Weight: 240 pounds
Position: Linebacker
School: Ohio State
Current Year: Senior

Tony Pauline’s Baron Browning Scouting Report

Positives: Athletic, explosive linebacker who flashes dominance. Fast moving in every direction, fluid getting to the play laterally, and possesses a burst to the ball. Cuts off the corners from running backs, shows strength, and makes the tackle in space. Explosive hitter who jars the ball loose, forcing fumbles. Quick and fluid in reverse, displays outstanding range, and fires to the ball out of his plant in coverage. Plays off blocks, redirects to the ball handler, and immediately alters his angle of attack getting to the action.

Featured | NFL Draft Prospects 2021: Pauline’s updated big board, player rankings

Negatives: Streaky, inconsistent, and disappears for stretches. Instincts are questionable. Inefficient.

Analysis: Browning flashed dominance and potential as the next great linebacker to come from Ohio State during his sophomore season, but he never truly elevated his game or consistently played at a high level. He possesses the athleticism and versatility to be used at a multitude of linebacker positions in a multitude of defensive schemes, but he must brush his instincts and play to his ceiling on every snap.

j/c...

He may be a good prospect but I'd rather have Buckeye LB Pete Werner.

Jamin Davis, LB Kentucky has been catching my eye. If we go LB in the first, I want him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ocid=uxbndlbing

I read up on him. He sounds good too. We all have our personal favorites and they may all be good fits for us. As I said on a previous post we should just let the draft come to us and then take the best D player left. We don't really have to move up IMO. There are many good D players that can help us at #26.

Some monster numbers, he really has worked at so much. As I saw when he was being recruited he was like 6'3 195lbs and ran a 4.95...now a 6'3 234 4.37 monster! Fab numbers there

j/c...

Gee, his arms are 1/2" shorter than Joe Thomas's.

Sometimes people over-analyse some of this stuff. Can the guy play and dominate? How is his tape? How did he do against the best competition he faced? That's far more important than a tape measure.

There are some people who put far too much emphasis into pro days and measurables. They certainly have their place but they're not at the top of the list.

We agree in a way, but my thinking is measurables are at the top of the list.

Bad measurables will bump a player down the list faster than anything else. It also bumps them up faster.

I think you see more players with so/so tape and great measurable numbers climb up lists over players with great tape and so/so measurable numbers.

I guess another way, were we agree is solid tape will keep you relevant to some degree, but poor numbers can toss you out in a hurry.

I don't care what the tape looks like, if you are a o lineman and only push the bar 9 times, you will have a problem opening many doors.

I agree, 9 times may be extreme, but it illustrates the point only because I don't know where the cut-off might be behind the lineman who pushes it 40 times. Maybe it's 19 times, or 23 times.

Oh you can't be a total slouch with the numbers. But it's not a huge factor if you fall into a moderate category. Let's face it, we've seen too many work out warriors flop to put a huge grade on top numbers. We also know that a 40 time in shorts from a sprint position doesn't dictate game speed.

I tend to agree, measurables shouldn't be more than half a round up or down (maybe a full round if you're going from round 6 to round 5, but...meh).

With a few exceptions. That Pittsburgh safety should have never ran. Seriously, pump some iron, do your position drills and talk to teams, son. He ran like a 4.9. Why? If you know you're not going to put up top numbers for your position, don't do the drill.

I am not saying I agree with what I said. As you can see in other forums, I don't always say what I think or believe. I say what I see.

The fact you mention the number of workout guys who were drafted early and didn't pan out makes my point.

Good numbers open the door and keep it open for many. How many receivers have been drafted on nothing more than they were really fast? I think his name was Ross in Cincy. Yep, he's fast, and he got drafted even though he can't catch worth a darn.