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South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine, Israeli study says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/south-african-variant-break-pfizer-200122705.html

Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine are 90% effective. Which means any variant of Covid can break through 10% of the time.

Yes, but this variant sounds like it can break through enough that the Pfizer may not be 90% effective.

I guess it is how it is measured. If you get a strain that works past the vaccine, I'd say it is 0% effective

Now I see the J&J vaccine is being pulled because it causes blood clots, so any of you who got the J&J vaccine, pay attention.

I just read that also. Guess which one I and my wife got?

Extremely low occurrence, but this is the risk you take on when you use a pharmaceutical before it's gone through full review and approval.

And why some people are resisting the shot at this point. Now rather than a controlled clinical trial, we have millions of people in a uncontrolled trial.

What could go wrong with that? However, under the circumstances, I understand the rush. All you have to do is look around to understand the Federal Government is losing control of the people. It would have lost further control had they sat on a possible vaccine waiting for a typical clinical trial process while people kept kicking the bucket and the rest were kept bound.

That sucks. Would taking a blood thinning drug (Aspirin?) be a good precautionary measure? I ask because I don't know beans about this kinda stuff.

I have no idea. We got the shot 11 days ago.

Six cases among 7,000,000 shots administered.

Two doctors in my family recommended taking an aspirin everyday when I had covid -- because of clotting issues. I'd think the same would hold true if the vaccine was causing the same issue.

I've read the same thing (from a doctor). Though what I read was the low dose aspirin (81g)

Let's look at this from a fact based way of thinking.

These new strains are more contagious. Nowhere has the virus in all of the strains combined broken above the 10% threshold. So it is still being proven as 90% effective. That hasn't changed. Common sense would dictate the strains that do manage to break though would be the most contagious forms of the virus.

So do strains break through the virus? Yes. Were they predicted to? Yes. Up to 10% of the time.

j/c

I got a call from CVS and they had a couple of leftover doses of vaccine that gave me the opportunity to go ahead and get my second dose of the Moderna vaccine. As of today I am seeing no symptoms that some others have reported.

They say we don't complain about side effects because we have weaker immune systems. I say it's because we are tough old birds

Just got a not from the clinic that will be doing my shot on Thursday. I'm no longer getting J&J, it will be Moderna instead.

While the J&J clotting issue is 1 in a million, I appreciate the change.

My extremely un-expert guess is that states pulling the the J&J vaccine is only because of the guidance issued from federal, and that was put out there because they don't fully understand why this is happening. We have fully approved pharma products that have far worse odds on side effects (including death) that we've decided we're ok with. What's probably actually scaring them is the unknown.

This article was interesting: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/johnson-...-175644988.html


Yahoo Life
How serious is the Johnson & Johnson blood clot risk compared to common medications? Experts explain.

The one tweet from the doc (surrounded by a sea of neckbeards copy-pasting talking points from their favorite sources) kinda confirmed my suspicion. They haven't revoked authorization, they simply paused distribution until they can get clarity into why this is happening.

I'd go as far to say that even though modern medicine has come a long way and does some wonderful things with medicines/vaccines, we are still a biological product, each one unique. And anytime we put some man-made chemical concoction into our bodies, there is a chance of adverse affect, no matter how much testing it's been through.

When you get down to it, you run risk with all sorts of medications...you have heard the guy talking real fast at the end of the commercials, it can cause a limp noodle, yeast infections, rectal bleeding, blindness, toenails falling off, strokes, elevated heartbeat, bla, bla, bla, bla....seek immediate medical attention.

I always love the ‘if you’re allergic to colelexolib don’t take colelexolib’ comment...
How am I to know if I’m allergic to it without taking it?!

First shot Moderna, small sting, fingers tingled. I went home, by that night arm sore that I couldnt sleep on that side. Next day by mid afternoon I was wiped out tired small headache.. called off work.

2nd shot was on a Friday after work.. no workie weekends. Repeat of the first shot in terms of effects.

glad you're 'legal,' bro-

Got my second Pfizer yesterday. Arm a little sore and was really tired.

I was wondering if it was just my family that was having trouble locating, connecting to and setting appointments to get the vaccine. I mean we stuck to it and eventually worked it out but it ended up being quite a chore.

Then I saw where Tennessee ranked 48th in states for adult vaccines administered. The only states lower are Alabama and Georgia.

Just got my second Pfizer shot 2 hours ago. Don't know what the difference was from the first (where I barely felt a thing). This time, it felt like they were lighting my arm on fire as the needle went in, and now the whole damn arm still hurts and/or feels tingly.

Ah yes, the old "if you are allergic to the medication, or any of it's ingredients, don't take it."

I'm allergic to strawberries.. are there strawberries in it? Cause you know, I don't know if I'm allergic to Propylparaben or not...

It wasn't a good experience here either. When I finally qualified to get a shot (I find it bizarre that weakened immune system is in the 7th group), the OSHU website wouldn't function properly and all of the pharmacies were fully booked - even if I went online at the time they were made available. It reminded me of calling into the radio station to win a prize in the 80s.

I also signed up for the Oregon Health Authority's website and local and national sites that supposedly tell you when extra shots are available. Nada from any of those.

What is sad is I know of 3 cases where doses were thrown out because they didn't have people show up.

I ended up saying screw the county I live in and started searching surrounding Counties (based on advice from a few people who drove 60-90 minutes for shots). Literally the first county website I went to at some random time during the day had appointments, and a ton of them. I sent it to friends and even a couple hours later those appointments were still available. In a few hours, I'll drive the 45ish minutes to get my first.

So, to those still looking...unless you're unable to travel a bit or your state has restrictions on where you can get shots - take a look at surrounding counties.

Something I thought was very strange happened in my area. CVS was authorized to give out the first vaccine but not the second one. As such as soon as there was an opening they contacted me. But after I got the fist dose, they couldn't guarantee me nor set up an appointment for the second dose. As it turns out, all of our county agencies were handing out the Pfizer vaccine while CVS was giving out Moderna. So there I was trying to find somewhere out of my own county that used the Moderna vaccine.

I found a place about an hour away. Then suddenly this week CVS called to schedule my second vaccine. They brought me in right away with no wait time. They had been approved by the state to give the second dose finally. It just seemed like a very disjointed plan by the state.

Update: not sure if it's related or what, but I got my shot at 11 AM. Right now I feel like I just want to sleep for a very long time.

Yup. Not uncommon.

Second shot in the arm about 24 hours ago. I am holding up fine.

First Moderna today, no side effects at all. Or fatigue that I don't notice because I'm burning the candle at both ends, and a few points in the middle

Really efficient process (as most have said). The nurse laughed when she told me the worst part was over (immediately after the shot), I told her it was over 2 weeks ago when I got the appointment...hard enough that most people in the room looked at us.

And a stunningly beautiful day in the PNW...mid 70s and sun. On the drive to St. Helens, I saw Mount St. Helens and Mt. Rainier in their full glory - and Mount Hood on the way back into PDX.

I already got the 2 Moderna shots. I think I'll get the 2 Phizer shots too so I'll be doubly protected.

Not sure that would be healthy. They asked a lot of questions about having been vaccinated for covid before giving me the pfizer shots. Unless people are really doing what you are talking about, there must be some safety reason for those questions.

By my math, you'd be ~170% protected vs the 'rona. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before!?

Honestly, I just posted that as a joke but it got me wondering if you could do something like that.

Not advised... unless you also get the J&J jab added into the mix. They call it the ‘trifecta of no infecta’. You should get your full punch card completed and can use it to get a free Blizzard at Dairy Queen.