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Not a huge surprise and I expect it will be 1 year $8ish million ?? It's going to be 'cheap'.

Hope he is healthy and motivated. If so he could be a force opposite MG.

just saw sportrac has his market at about a 1 yr deal in the 6.5 mil range.

I would assume this would be short term with some incentives.

Hopefully, this is another piece to the puzzle

Another need off the list prior to the draft. Andrew Berry and the front office seem to be doing a bad job.

(Pending an agreement. If he doesn’t sign then they are the the worst.)

maybe Garrett can get him motivated... kid has a ton of talent but just hasn't flurished or stayed healthy...

Clowney had a three stretch from 2016 to 2018 were he was very good. He just hasn’t produced in the way people expected and has had injuries.

I thought 17 and 18 were pretty good... 16 was good enough for a probowl but dude still underperformed... and in those three years he still only played one full season... he was notorious in Houston for slacking during practices and taking plays off.... when he got a fire under him he could make an unbelievable play... he just wasn't consistent...

not saying I won't be happy if we sign him, particularly if it's for cheap... he's worth taking a flier on and hope he can reclaim his edge...

I'm not sure why this is in the draft forum, but whatever .....

I am OK with signing Clowney, especially to a "show us" 1 year type deal.

I was reading an article, just a few days ago, and the writer opined that veterans like Clowney might wait until after the draft, to make sure that weren't bumped onto backup or rotational status. I think that a rotational would suit Clowney well. He hasn't stayed healthy. Maybe playing half the snaps might be good for him, and the Browns.

He and Myles will rotate with Takk, is my guess.

I still think our top 3 picks will likely be 2 DB and a DE/Edge.

The issue with clowney isn't that he hasn't lived up to the expectations.

The issue is that he hasn't lived up to expectations but still expects to be paid as if he did.

How happy i am with a clowney signing will be directly related to how much we pay him.

I would love a $6 mil for 1 yr but expect an $8 mil for 1 year contract. If we pay $10 mil or more then I would not be happy at all.

I expect a 1 yr contract. Not sure how i would feel if it is a multi year contract, ither than surprised.

I think it is a good move. He is better than any player we could get in the draft considering our draft position. When I say better I am talking about right out of the gate without a trade up. The number of years will be telling. If it is a 1 year deal, a DE could still be on the table. If it is multiple years, DE may be pushed to the back burner a bit. Clowney is good enough that I hope it is multiple years. It would be a solid addition.

I know some view the guy as a bust. I disagree, especially since we aren't the team that drafted him with high 1st round expectations. He lacks sacks, but he does get pressure and he is a plus in the run game. Between him and Tak, it is IMO a clear upgrade at the DE position.

Here's some cool injury analytics...kind of scary, and this is why he is only going to get 1 year rentals imho...


https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/jadeveon-clowney/6932

Agreed - as the #1 overall pick I guess he has not been as dynamic as you want. Compare him to MG and you pick MG all day every day... MG is the prototypical impact you want at #1. That said - for us it's high upside with little risk. Plus with the small salary cap this year and expected big increase coming, if Clowney is on a 1 year deal he is playing for his next contract which is big.

I think there is also a bit of a false narrative about him and his effort. In College once he was a lock for a #1 pick overall he protected himself, didn't work as hard as he could have, did he pull himself out of games or miss the bowl game? That rep has stuck to him even though I am not aware of any issues once in the NFL (But I've only ever watched a handful of his NFL games...)

What?

I don't mean to speak for cfrs, but I am guessing there is supposed to a "not" between to and be or soemwheer in there?

[quote=YTownBrownsFan]I'm not sure why this is in the draft forum, but whatever .....

Normally I would agree, but the first thing I thought of when this was "confirmed" was about the draft and how it made it even more flexible for the Browns. I am guessing CB as our first pick. Greedy's health concerns me a lot & Ward is another concussion from being real doubtful.IN fact I am not sure I wouldn't take a CB with 2 of our first 3 picks.

You are wrong.

He hasn’t signed Clowney yet. Duh.

My bad, reading the first ten words it sounded like a you interpreted the move as positive.

Clowney pushes DE into the 2nd rd. of the draft so I look for a CB to be drafted at #26 ...

CB's that may be available

1. Caleb Farley CB Virginia Tech
2. Greg Newsome II CB Northwestern
3. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
4. Tyson Campbell CB Georgia
5. Aaron Robinson CB Central Florida

Clowney doesn't have to be a dominant player for us. He just has to be good and productive. If he is that he will make Myles that much better on the other side. Hopefully, Takk can do the same.

Agreed Pastor. If we sign Clowney now we can draft BPA with #26 whomever our FO feels that is.

I don’t think signing Clowney changes any long term plans. If you we were going to draft an edge before we still will now.

It can still be an edge rusher. I like Z. Collins and J. Davis but that's JMO I know they're LB's but if we sign Clowney either one of those 2 would really round out our D

It is still possible If Jaelan Phillips is sitting there at#26 it would hard to pass, but with not knowing if Greedy will be available I think CB becomes a priority, and there will be some good Edge Rushers in the 2nd rd. like possibly Carlos Basham and others ...

You fill holes in the FA market so you have more options in the draft. It in no way dictates what position you will be drafting.

If we go CB in round one of the players you mentioned only Newsome seems the right value at 26. Two others that might approach that value are Asante Samuels and my preferred pick, Melifonwu, IMO.

If you have addressed all you needs but one in free agency and you could solve it in the draft, why wouldnt you? If the highest rated player is a LT, QB or, TE but there is a good fit at CB that addresses a deficiency on your roster would you blindly adhere to BPA? I would not.

j/c

If Clowney is healthy, I'm down to one real concern with him.

He didn't get the money he wanted - which equals he didn't get what he thought he was worth. I don't think he will hold that against the Browns as he was free to look around...that and I suspect/expect that our culture (now) won't allow it. But...

If he signs a "prove-it" deal, I'm concerned that he will be out to do just that...prove it...and that can be good or bad. Everyone seems to know that Clowney is good against the run...he's been better at that than he has been at rushing the passer. That fact - coupled with his injuries - has set his market value.

For us to beat the Jacksons, Allens and Mahomes of the AFC, we need to play to the scheme...not "prove" that we are a stud pass rusher. I'm concerned that we will be talking about this come mid-season...I hope not.

To be clear if the right DE is available at 26, I'd still draft that player.

We signed a pretty good CB too if that's your logic.

We did add a CB but in this specific situation Hill is not expected to fill an outside corner role. You're a smart guy so I believe you know this. The "need" is for an outside corner. If an outside CB ( in general the positional value is high, something else I belive you are aware of) is available prioritze it over the high rated players at the positions i mentioned earlier.

I just don't think BPA is an absolute. Of course it can be a factor it might even be a strategy to be used a various points within one, seven-round draft.