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So let me get this straight....

If a civic process doesn't go the way a certain group wants (and there's no evidence of fraud or anything like that), then that group should go ahead and riot?

I honestly don't know what's more ridiculous... Dems advocating for rioting if a trial doesn't go the way they want, or MTG and her ilk with their condemnation of inciting violence. It's like they don't even realize they've just switched sides of a carbon copy of this debate.

There definitely needs to be consistency. Inconvenience should not change ideals, but it often does.

Maxine was in the wrong, just as Trump was. In this case, you have her saying that they should get more confrontational in reference to an institution of jurors that are supposed to be impartial. If you want to uphold Congress as an institution, then you need to be consistent and uphold courts and juries as an institution as well.

"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ one of my favorite presidential quotes.

Trump said, "I said something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore...."

Maxine Waters said, "we've got to stay on the street, and we've got to get more active. We've got to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business."

Those quotes above are facts. We have to find consistency in our beliefs.

JMO, but Protests are good.. Rioting where damage is done to property or life.. That's wrong.. Doesn't matter who does it.

Just like Jan 6, 2021... That should be fully investigated..

Spot on. Agree 100%.

If memory serves wasn't Maxine also was urging the public to get into the face or protest politicians while they went about their daily activities and were out with family etc during Covid? What's good for the goose has to be good for the gander. If you believe one thing, don't complain or protest when Trump of Cult or whoever does it right back at ya. I have zero doubt if what she was calling for happened back at her, she would be complaining bitterly.

Maxine was definitely in the wrong.

And with the deliberations beginning in the Chauvin trial and verdict expected in the next week or two, we don't need any more fuel thrown on an already tense situation.

j/c

What have we become when everyone points the finger at "crazies from the opposing party" and refuse to call out "their own crazies"?

I've said for a very long time now that there are extremists on both sides. The lunatic fringe. As long as they are in power nothing will ever change. And only the voters have the ability to change that. The further entrenched we become the less likely that is to happen.

Back to whacky MTG and her White Agenda and claim of election impropriety.

Another blow - by the Supreme Court no less.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/supreme-court-tosses-gop-2020-election-challenge/index.html

Let's be clear - only the very most moronic and unthinking at this point believe there was a "stolen election".

I don't watch the videos just prefer to read. But this one auto played after I put my phone down .... It's actually worth listening to. Funny too.

First, Maxines words were nowhere near "inciting a riot", to see an example of actual "inciting a riot" you can reference the speakers on January 6th!

Second, where did Maxine or I call for riots? PROTESTS ARE NOT RIOTS. And you can't blame riots associated with left wing protests on the left as long as you have riot instigating covert bad actors funded and egged on by the right!

Third, I don't give a damn about how the right feels. If this man who murdered George Floyd on video in front of the nation does not get convicted, then there is no justice for POC and they should "burn it all down". And that does not mean I'm "inciting or endorsing arson or property damage or violence"... It means I'm advocating that this massive injustice of inequality meaning POC must live in fear of authorities must end no matter the cost, no matter the method, and no matter how the opposition to justice FEELz.

I'm trying to understand.

They should burn it down, but you don't condone it, but it must end no matter the cost, the method.

So, you Do condone it?

Long as it isn't at your place, right?

Maybe they should burn your house down, and then you will care about their criminal activity.

I condone the expectation of justice and the retaliatory protests if this ends in an unjust acquittal of a cop that murdered a man on camera. PERIOD. Your twisting and poking at the edges will not change the meaning of my words nor your inability to comprehend them.

Thats what they have a jury for OCD.If they don't come back with the verdict you want they should burn it down, If they don't come back with the verdict I want we should burn it down. Thats not how America is supposed to work.

Wow, that's a pretty specific attack on my views and I consider it extremely deplorable considering I lost everything to a house fire in 2002.

But I get what you mean and know you would never actually wish that upon me. However, protesting has nothing to do with "criminal activity" and I personally feel that 90% or more of the violence experienced during the MOSTLY peaceful protests in 2020 was instigated by bad actors from the far right. Prove me wrong.

If you defended trump for his involvement in the events of January 6th then you have no right criticizing maxine waters.

If you criticized trump for his involvement in the events of January 6th then you have no right defending maxine.

Me? I blame trump for instigating the events of January 6th. I also think what maxine said was wrong and if violence occurs as a result of the chauvin trial then she is going to bear some of the responsibility.

The difference between the two?

1, Violence occurred on January 6th, we don't know yet if this will result in violence.

2, trump has the Presidential pulpit and a much larger following than waters does. Without trump the January 6th storming of the Capitol building never happens so I hold him majorly responsible. If violence comes from the chauvin trial, maxine waters will have played a role in it and as such holds some responsibility. But if we are honest with ourselves, an acquittal very well may have resulted in significant violence even if she had kept her stupid mouth shut.

Looting, arson, and vanadlism is criminal activity and illegal. But apparently youre ok with it when it happens to other people's property. So you should be ok with it when it happens to your property.

To your first point, she said they must become more confrontational. Trump said we must fight. You MIGHT be able to argue varying degrees of instigation based on those words, but looking at those two (we're not talking about the other speakers on Jan 6th), the meaning of those words, spoken to a crowd, are on the same playing field. I see both of them as instigation. If someone doesn't see either one that way, I disagree with them, but at least respect the consistency. What I don't get is saying that one is fine, and the other is not, and 99/100 times, it would fall in line with one's political bias.

To your second point, I don't think anyone ever explicitly called for riots. One person called for a fight (I know many of his supporters also mention that he previously said peacefully and patriotically protest, but that's neither here nor there with me), and another person called for being more confrontational.

To your third point, what bothers me the most is the circumstances surrounding both instances. The first one was based on a false premise, and the second one was based on a hypothetical scenario. In neither scenario was there an actionable cause. Using anger to galvanize constituents based upon a what-if scenario is a dangerous precedent.

I will never fully appreciate what it is to be black or to have that kind of prejudice leveled at me. To even pretend I could appreciate it would be idiocy. I understand, based on history, that African Americans may be very anxious about a potentially unfavorable outcome of the trial. However, based upon the evidence that has been shown in this case, and based upon Maxine even saying she expects the verdict to be "guilty, guilty, guilty" I also cannot understand the call for increased confrontation based upon a hypothetical.

The jury could well be tainted by racism or just Trumpian dumbassery in general and a not guilty verdict in this case where guilt is not only evident but absolute as documented in video would be a miscarriage of justice of epic proportions.

Chauvin killed Floyd on video, do you disagree with that? So a jury is supposed to be fair and impartial, yet if it is tainted by racism or political prejudices, how can an acquittal be justifiable or acceptable by those being victimized by this systemic racism and bias? It's can't. So they only non-violent legal recourse is protesting. If those protest get out of hand for any reason resulting in riots, we are all to blame.

Again, protesting has nothing to do with "criminal activity". Also, reading is fundamental and comprehending what you read is vital to informed debate.

Nah, I comprehended exactly what you were saying. Not my fault you're backtracking now.

Burn it down - as long as it's not your place, right?

Stop acting ignorant about what crazy maxine is saying or what happens at "protests", its unbecoming. Ask Portland how many time riots were declared there.

I don't think for a minute that Maxine WANTED to incite violence, I think Trump ABSOLUTELY WANTED to incite violence on the 6th because he could not accept that he lost.

One wants to support her race in fighting systemic racism and the injustices caused by it, while the other was throwing a fit, lying to his followers, and willing to do anything to reverse the outcome of the 2020 election. I not only do not see the similarities, I suspect that anyone trying to make them similar of racial and political bias. No matter your race, politics, or personal biases unless you are a white supremacist, I would think the disproportionate killing of POC vs. whites by police is a cause we should all rally behind. Yet, I see this devolving into a Left vs. Right argument between white people as to how POC should react to THEM BEING KILLED. I know how white people react to WHITES being killed due to racial bias AND it's not peacefully.

Your thought process is so twisted. Maybe you should go read crazy maxines words again. She is using her position of power in the government to call for violence in the streets. She needs to be held accountable.

If you had such a problem with Trump then you should agree that she should be expelled. Because to say otherwise is hypocritical.

I won't argue with you on the causes or motivations. I'm honing in on the acts themselves. You can have two separate crimes or acts of wrongdoing that would meet the necessary, logical elements, albeit the scenarios behind them differ.

So you think protests are synonymous with violence and riots? I do not. But I think this is your sticking point that you can't wrap your mind around. That and a bizarre semi-southern backwoods and trumpian hybrid worldview that closely resembles a combination of those of the confederate rebels in the 1860s and George Wallace of the 1950s-60s (a southern dixie-democrat) which seems to be preventing you from seeing the true injustices all around you.

Insults wont change the fact that she is calling for violence and needs to be removed.

If the truth is insulting, how is that my fault or a reason for you to rationalize your hate?

Your warped world view has little to do with any truth.

Says the person who steadfastly claims what Trump did and said was 100% fine.

lol Max is freaking crazy. she's definitely trying to incite right now. however lets not act like her influence level is all that up there, which is the only reason it hasn't escalated.

it ain't bernie or AOC out there saying the same thing.

but she needs to go.

I think Maxines leftness and blackness is under your skin. I mean you going off and calling her a bitch this and a bitch that is damn near as cra cra as I've seen in here. Puts your post right up there with throw's posts.

And I believe the same as she does, if he is acquitted they should be more confrontational, which means "tending to deal with situations in an aggressive way; hostile or argumentative" according to dictionary.com and doesn't in anyway imply violence as a means to an end. Hostility and being argumentative is what we have going on between us most days right here in DT, yet I see no violence.

Trump literally told people at his rally to PEACEFULLY protest.

I hope someday you come back to the real world and not some delusional alternate reality of denial.

I don't think she was inciting myself, but I would have no issue with her going. She's sick of POC being victimized by police and I just can't find fault with that. Now if she said anything that amounted to "start killing cops or white people" or "burn/destroy America", I would call that a call for violence. Telling oppressed people they have to step up the pressure in a fight for equality and justice if they lose this case, is not a call for violence.

So is ocd. Third, I don't give a damn about how the right feels. If this man who murdered George Floyd on video in front of the nation does not get convicted, then there is no justice for POC and they should "burn it all down". And that does not mean I'm "inciting or endorsing arson or property damage or violence"... It means I'm advocating that this massive injustice of inequality meaning POC must live in fear of authorities must end no matter the cost, no matter the method, and no matter how the opposition to justice FEELz.

This is rich coming from a Trump GQP homer. lmao@u

Again, reading is fundamental. Show me where I called for "violence"; I'm calling for justice. You don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two when it comes to POC.

Communists punish those who disagree with their views.

Like fascists don't... But I see no communist, just fascists.

jc

Let me just point out that the Maxine outrage, all the talk of protests being violent, and the GOP in Florida making protesting a felony punishable by being run down in the streets legally by cra cra right wingers... All of this deplorable pearl clutching and demonstrable depolableness by the right is nothing more than a distraction from the January 6th insurrection, mass shootings/gun law reforms, Matt Gaetz problems, and most importantly the assault on voting rights by the right.

They have been waiting for Chauvin's trial to cry loudly and obscure the truth of their treacherous actions. And from the looks of the conversation in here Tucker and or Hannity must have sent instructions during their show recently. Even 'mindless' bots need instructions to function.