She called the police due to a disturbance outside her house, she had a knife to protect herself, and then she came out of the house to talk with the cops and they shot her.
We desperately need the Camden and Newark model expanded nationwide.
That's not what happened.
That doesn't matter when you have an agenda and a bias and haven't watched the video.
The Faux News fools feel like that verdict was an attack on their way of life... fake outrage and hysteria over the future of policing AND crying systemic racism is a lie...
And once again they march out a token black person to make the claims. smh. You'd have to be braindead to buy into their BS.
If the Chauvin verdict was an attack on your way of life, that's a you problem.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
The Faux News fools feel like that verdict was an attack on their way of life... fake outrage and hysteria over the future of policing AND crying systemic racism is a lie...
And once again they march out a token black person to make the claims. smh. You'd have to be braindead to buy into their BS.
Why would that person be a token?
I am not so much commenting on any of the racism comments, simply saying why would that guy be a token because he is black?
All black people don't walk in lockstep.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Perhaps it's because a black person that doesn't always agree with the narrative is too easily explained away as "a token." That should infuriate people, really.
The Faux News fools feel like that verdict was an attack on their way of life... fake outrage and hysteria over the future of policing AND crying systemic racism is a lie...
I am very happy with the verdict as this cop is a scumbag. The threat was neutralized and he continued the assault. I hope he enjoys his jail cell!
On another note, there is no such thing as systematic racism, especially when it comes to police. The DOJ statistics show otherwise and I'd say 99.9% of cops are good. However you have bad ones that spoil things for other people on the force, cause distrust by society, it's awful.
At one point in my life I thought I wanted to be a police officer to protect and serve my community. It's an extremely noble profession for one's that do it right. We don't hear about the ones who do their job every single day, only ones the news media wants us to know!
And once again they march out a token black person to make the claims. smh. You'd have to be braindead to buy into their BS.
A statement about DOJ data without the data means nothing.
There is a list of names about a mile long that is proof to the contrary.
If you are black or brown you are more likely to be killed by police.
I will also refer to your the initial statement by Minneapolis police... Nope, nothing to see here... move along. How many times has actions such as this been covered up?
The Faux News fools feel like that verdict was an attack on their way of life... fake outrage and hysteria over the future of policing AND crying systemic racism is a lie...
And once again they march out a token black person to make the claims. smh. You'd have to be braindead to buy into their BS.
Why would that person be a token?
I am not so much commenting on any of the racism comments, simply saying why would that guy be a token because he is black?
All black people don't walk in lockstep.
Well if you need to understand what token means, maybe this will help:
Tokenism is the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of racial or gender equality within a workforce.[1][2][3] The effort of including a token employee to a workforce is usually intended to create the impression of social inclusiveness and diversity (racial, religious, sexual, etc.) in order to deflect accusations of discrimination.[4]
Being the token black person is not fun. I am expected to be an authority on the lives of all black people. People think I represent all black people and black culture; however, at the same time, I’m supposed to rise above black culture.
What is the token black person? The token is not supposed to be your everyday black person. The token is the good black person. You know, the black person that doesn’t adhere to all the negative stereotypes of black people. People of other races feel a little less threatened by him. Apparently, the token is different from all the other black folk; however, he’s still black enough for people to mention his name when talking about diversity.
The token is expected to know about all things black—he’s your urban teacher. Though the token is not like other black people, he still understands them. If you’re from a place with no black people and your only exposure to them has been movies like “Get Rich or Die Trying,” then the token will be your one black friend that you feel you can trust.
Don’t be fooled—it’s not that simple.
The history of race in America has been a power struggle between groups. Black people have not been oppressed on the basis of their individual faults; rather, individual black people have been discriminated against due to their association with the entire race. Though some individuals have managed to overcome the burdens of racial prejudice, black people are still looked down upon as a group. One of your black friends may seem trustworthy, but that doesn’t necessarily change your negative view of black people as a whole. It’s alright to have one or two black families in the neighborhood, but as soon as more start to move in, the neighborhood becomes a ghetto. There’s only a certain level of blackness that many people feel they can tolerate—the token gives them the perfect amount.
Here’s what really disturbs me: this notion that the token is better than other black people. Why is it that every time a black person does something good, somebody tries to let him know that he’s not like the rest of us?
The token feels an immense amount of pressure. Nobody is perfect, but the token has to make sure that he doesn’t slip up in front of white people. He feels as if he can’t make certain mistakes because he represents the entire race. One mistake will set black people back 100 years—and no one wants to be “that negro.”
Even at Harvard I feel the burden of tokenism. Luckily, I learned how to deal with it in high school.
For example, during my sophomore year in high school, I was one of two black students enrolled in my Algebra II class. I have this problem where I don’t really like math, so sometimes I would fall asleep in class. It turns out that the other black student had the same problem as well. Because we felt that both black people in the class couldn’t go to sleep at the same time—at least one of us had to be a “good” negro—we took turns going to sleep. Unfortunately, I was the only black person in my pre-calculus and calculus classes, so I had to continuously be a good black person in those situations.
A more prominent example of a token is Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) recently lauded as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.” I’m sure Senator Biden meant it as a compliment; however, I—along with many other blacks—took it as an insult. Many whites are comfortable with Barack Obama because they don’t see him in the same way that they still see a majority of black people in America.
Obama doesn’t scare white people. The clean, articulate, and bright guy whom Americans are impressed with is the exact opposite of what Americans expect black people in this country to be.
Blacks are violent. Blacks are angry. Blacks are lazy. Things like racial profiling and negative media portrayals are demonstrative of the suspicious way in which many Americans view blacks and other people of color.
The token helps white Americans feel as if race is no longer an issue. It’s a cover-up. Instead of looking at the continued racial separation in this country, people point to their one friend of the other race and feel satisfied with themselves.
Making someone the token black person and placing him above other black people assumes that all of us—except for the token, of course—are the same. We live in a society still very much conscious of race—even if people don’t like to admit it openly. Making one black person your trustworthy token while you still view black people as a monolith will not fix the ongoing problem of race in America.
So far Fox has trotted out this guy and Candace Owens. You tell me what that is if not tokenism? How many anchors with their own shows are black on Fox? Or in right wing media period? GMAB.
Where are the Fox News interviews with George Floyds family? Or black leaders in the community, church, or national black leaders? Where is the outrage over blacks being disproportionately killed by cops? PUH-lease.
And you are right, the black community does not walk in lock step. But there are issues facing the black community, like this one, that even most blacks expect other black people to see the evil and racism in... But the black guy on Fox can't see it... PUH-lease.
McEnany lectures Biden: 'It's the role of the president of the United States to stay back, to not inflame'
Former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Tuesday blasted President Joe Biden for speaking out about the Derek Chauvin trial even though her former boss, Donald Trump, often expressed his opinion on similar events.
After the sequestered jury began its deliberations in the Chauvin trial, Biden told reporters that he was praying for the "right verdict."
McEnany, in her role as Fox News host, criticized the current president.
"I'm glad that he at least waited until the jury was sequestered," McEnany ranted. "But I think that the country is such a tinderbox right now, especially Minneapolis. There's so much hurt, so much pain."
"And I think it's the role of the president of the United States to stay back, to not inflame the tensions," she added. "I think he should have just reserved comment and said he's praying for the family as we all are."
As president, Trump often weighed in on legal matters and controversial events.
After Kyle Rittenhouse was charged with homicide for shootings that left two protesters in Wisconsin dead last August, Trump offered a defense of the suspect.
"He was trying to get away from them, I guess, it looks like," Trump opined at the time. "I guess he was in very big trouble. He probably would have been killed."
She called the police due to a disturbance outside her house, she had a knife to protect herself, and then she came out of the house to talk with the cops and they shot her.
So, in your eyes, running out of the house with a knife trying to stab other people means she was trying to talk with the cops? Race bait much?
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
She called the police due to a disturbance outside her house, she had a knife to protect herself, and then she came out of the house to talk with the cops and they shot her.
So, in your eyes, running out of the house with a knife trying to stab other people means she was trying to talk with the cops? Race bait much?
His comments were made before the video was released. This is another example of why people shouldn't rush to judgement before the facts come in. This is also why I tend to not to post on things condemning someone before all the facts are in.
I've kept mostly silent in this thread. Took some time to let things settle in.
5 + out (with bonus thoughts)
1. The jury was allowed to ask questions during deliberations. They asked none. Not a single one. That is significant. It was our first indication of where this might lead. Juries ask questions for clarity when there is ambiguity, opaqueness of right/wrong, or cases with conflicting/contradictory minutiæ. The absence of questions to the Judge in this instance suggests that they weren't in conflict as a deliberating body at all.
2. They deliberated for only 10 hours. On THREE felony murder charges. That means they deliberated an average of 3.3 hours on each charge. Those aren't 'hung jury' numbers. Those are the kinds of numbers attached to juries who are discussing details of punishment, instead of debating guilt v. innocence.
3. This fact cannot ever be stressed too much: active duty police officers gave compelling, sworn testimony in the service of the prosecution's case. For the first time in America's history, every one of Her citizens had an opportunity to see good cops actually do something about bad cops. In the open. On record. I can't tell you how huge that is.
4. Wall-to-wall, real time coverage of the trial was the right, correct, and proper thing to do. America (and the world) took notice of this story when it happened, and She became invested in a very personal way- to the tune of 15-26 million people in street demonstrations across the entire country. Still in partial lockdown, America has now watched this trial- front-to-back with a level of focused national attention not seen since those first few days/months/years after MLK's assassination. I pray that this increased public attention leads to substantive social policy change going forward. Cell phone footage is America's 'new normal.'
5. Guilty. On all three counts. The State's lead prosecuting attorney summarized it thus, in his closing arguments' final rebuttal: "Trust what your eyes have seen, and trust the '46th witness'- Common Sense."
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Derek Chauvin committed cold-blooded murder while wearing a uniform that is meant to represent all Americans. A jury of his peers saw what happened that day, saw what he did, saw who he was... and convicted him in terms commensurate with the depravity of his actions.
This man casually plucked pebbles from the treads of the nearby tire of his on-scene unit, while citizens implored him to take his knee off of the throat of a subdued, handcuffed+face-down prone person under restraint and in custody.
Derek Chauvin is now a felony murder convict.
America did what She was tasked to do. Step One: complete. Sentencing will be the next test of who we are, and what we stand for.
Newsmax host: Jury decided to 'sacrifice' Chauvin to the mob
Rob Schmitt, host of “Rob Schmitt Tonight” on the conservative network Newsmax, said on Tuesday that former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was a “sacrifice to the mob” after he was found guilty on three counts in the murder of George Floyd.
"They say justice is blind. I don't think it was blind in this case at all," Schmitt said. "I think you have political pressure. I think you have pressure from all these activist groups going into all this. And I think at the end of the day people say, 'You know what? If we acquit this guy, this city is going to burn to the ground.'"
"So you had a jury that said, 'You know what? We're gonna have to sacrifice this guy to the mob.' And that's exactly what I think happened today," Schmitt added
Judge Peter Cahill read the verdict on Tuesday afternoon. The jury found Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder, second-degree manslaughter and third-degree murder.
Multiple cities had prepared heightened security for the possibility that unrest would ensue if Chauvin was acquitted. Minneapolis Public Schools canceled all after-school activities and sports this week in anticipation of the verdict.
As soon as the verdict was announced, celebrations broke out across Minneapolis. Multiple lawmakers also reacted to news of the verdict soon after it was announced.
"The jury's verdict delivers accountability for Derek Chauvin, but not justice for George Floyd. Real justice for him and too many others can only happen when we build a nation that fundamentally respects the human dignity of every person," Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) tweeted.
GOP Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.) tweeted, "The American justice system works. Today, due process was followed, and justice was served."
I've kept mostly silent in this thread. Took some time to let things settle in.
5 + out (with bonus thoughts)
1. The jury was allowed to ask questions during deliberations. They asked none. Not a single one. That is significant. It was our first indication of where this might lead. Juries ask questions for clarity when there is ambiguity, opaqueness of right/wrong, or cases with conflicting/contradictory minutiæ. The absence of questions to the Judge in this instance suggests that they weren't in conflict as a deliberating body at all.
2. They deliberated for only 10 hours. On THREE felony murder charges. That means they deliberated an average of 3.3 hours on each charge. Those aren't 'hung jury' numbers. Those are the kinds of numbers attached to juries who are discussing details of punishment, instead of debating guilt v. innocence.
3. This fact cannot ever be stressed too much: active duty police officers gave compelling, sworn testimony in the service of the prosecution's case. For the first time in America's history, every one of Her citizens had an opportunity to see good cops actually do something about bad cops. In the open. On record. I can't tell you how huge that is.
4. Wall-to-wall, real time coverage of the trial was the right, correct, and proper thing to do. America (and the world) took notice of this story when it happened, and She became invested in a very personal way- to the tune of 15-26 million people in street demonstrations across the entire country. Still in partial lockdown, America has now watched this trial- front-to-back with a level of focused national attention not seen since those first few days/months/years after MLK's assassination. I pray that this increased public attention leads to substantive social policy change going forward. Cell phone footage is America's 'new normal.'
5. Guilty. On all three counts. The State's lead prosecuting attorney summarized it thus, in his closing arguments' final rebuttal: "Trust what your eyes have seen, and trust the '46th witness'- Common Sense."
_______________
Derek Chauvin committed cold-blooded murder while wearing a uniform that is meant to represent all Americans. A jury of his peers saw what happened that day, saw what he did, saw who he was... and convicted him in terms commensurate with the depravity of his actions.
This man casually plucked pebbles from the treads of the nearby tire of his on-scene unit, while citizens implored him to take his knee off of the throat of a subdued, handcuffed+face-down prone person under restraint and in custody.
Derek Chauvin is now a felony murder convict.
America did what She was tasked to do. Step One: complete. Sentencing will be the next test of who we are, and what we stand for.
This story isn't close to being finished.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
So ... what happens now with the other 4 police offers that stood by and (depending on perspective) either aided in the murder, or did nothing to prevent or protect the man being murdered by Chauvin?
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I'm less interested in the punishment as I am digging into how what was depicted in the viral videos was able to be written up like it was. We're talking about a police officer who's record actually fit the video (in all its unprofessionalism and disregard for human life). The trial and verdict addressed what happened at Chauvin's first contact with Floyd and after, but there's a whole bunch that happened (was allowed to happen) before that's just as important.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
So ... what happens now with the other 4 police offers that stood by and (depending on perspective) either aided in the murder, or did nothing to prevent or protect the man being murdered by Chauvin?
The three officers — Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane — each face two charges: aiding and abetting second-degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 40 years, although Reuters reports sentencing guidelines reduce that to 15 years; and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
So ... what happens now with the other 4 police offers that stood by and (depending on perspective) either aided in the murder, or did nothing to prevent or protect the man being murdered by Chauvin?
The three officers — Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane — each face two charges: aiding and abetting second-degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 40 years, although Reuters reports sentencing guidelines reduce that to 15 years; and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years.
I'm a little more torn on the charges for these guys. If people wanna talk about 'sacrificing cops to the mob', I think they have more of a point with these guys. The system did play a role in putting an officer like Chauvin in contact with Floyd, but putting these guys on trial and convicting them doesn't even come close to addressing the systemic issues that contributed to Floyd being killed.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
So ... what happens now with the other 4 police offers that stood by and (depending on perspective) either aided in the murder, or did nothing to prevent or protect the man being murdered by Chauvin?
I don't know? I think it is pretty easy to do nothing, and I think if you think about it, you can see that as well.
Also, is squeezing blood from the turnip in the best interest of anybody? Maybe at most they lose their jobs. But again, I am not sure that serves any purpose, though I could see that.
I don't say it should have happened, but what about the bystanders? At what point do you ignore the law to save a fellow human from deadly abuse by the law?
We can go down all sorts of roads we probably best not travel. Let the guy get his 20 years or whatever he gets and move past this horrible situation.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don't think there was much doubt about guilt. The lesser charges were probably a slam dunk. The most serious was probably where the most discussion took place. That would be where the discussion of giving the cop the benefit of the doubt occurred.
In the end I think they got it right. Allow the judge to gather both teams thoughts on sentencing and go from there.
So ... what happens now with the other 4 police offers that stood by and (depending on perspective) either aided in the murder, or did nothing to prevent or protect the man being murdered by Chauvin?
The three officers — Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane — each face two charges: aiding and abetting second-degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 40 years, although Reuters reports sentencing guidelines reduce that to 15 years; and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years.
I'm a little more torn on the charges for these guys. If people wanna talk about 'sacrificing cops to the mob', I think they have more of a point with these guys. The system did play a role in putting an officer like Chauvin in contact with Floyd, but putting these guys on trial and convicting them doesn't even come close to addressing the systemic issues that contributed to Floyd being killed.
Agree and disagree... I get the "thrown to the wolves" point of view, but let's wait and see how it turns out. Saying they don't deserve to go on trial is ignoring part of the systemic issues.
They were there on the scene, and watched a man die, in the most egregious of manners. Letting them walk sends the message that it's not their responsibility to stop something like this from happening. Holding them responsible sends a few messages: Report your partner (or any officer) before things get to that point. Stop someone when you know something is wrong, or at least try. Do your part to change the narrative of "so many bad cops".
Imagine if one of those officers just applied a little common sense and psychology to the situation? Chauvin is obviously the poster child for "bad cop" so you can't just yell at him or push him off. Jump on the ground, in Floyd's face and ask out loud, "are you going to cooperate now?"
"Officer Chauvin, he's going to cooperate, let's put him in the car."
How hard is that? Something that simple may have diffused the whole situation.
They have to know that they have certain responsibilities in that situation. They stood there like statues and watched a man die. Is that protocol? Let the alpha handle the situation any way he sees fit? The only way we move towards fixing problems is facing them head-on. I know there is "code" within the ranks, but part of that code is ugly and has to change. There is no change until people are held accountable.
IIRC, at least one of these guys were super new. Expecting someone fresh out of training to stand up to a veteran (that was out on the street because the system, made up of a whole mess of people higher rank than rookie, put him there) is asking a lot, IMO.
Or maybe that type of courage should be a basic requirement to become an officer. I don't know, like I said I'm torn.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I definitely see where you're coming from. That's why I'm in "wait and see" mode. If things are "fair", one would think that he would be shown the most leniency.
My biggest point is that they have to stand and answer for their (in)actions. We have to start to pierce this gray area between police "code" and what we expect as a society.
We can't have police forces that scream and throw their hands in the air over "snitches get stitches" when they live by the same code within their own ranks.
This is a really good conversation that gets me to thinking. I know this whole incident has obviously had a big impact on the black community, so I'd like to hear more thoughts from people of color when it comes to these officers as well.
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I'm not at all torn on the officers who assisted in holding Floyd down as Chauvin murdered him. The other one certainly represent a gray area. Kueng and Lane are accused of helping Chauvin restrain Floyd on the ground.
I know if any of us were helping restrain someone while yet another of us killed him we would be held accountable for it.
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To be honest I have not watched the video - and I don't have an answer on the other officers present. I don't know if any of them made overtures to reduce the force Chauvin was applying? I don't know whether they helped Chauvin. etc. So I am not judging or stating what I think/believe. I did not know they had already been charged.
What I *think* I know is that the other 4 stood around. Watched and did nothing to intervene. I think that some or all were new-ish to the force.
I think an investigation needs to be made.
I think if you are a representative of law enforcement you need to be held to the same and possibly a higher standard than Joe Public.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I've kept mostly silent in this thread. Took some time to let things settle in.
5 + out (with bonus thoughts)
1. The jury was allowed to ask questions during deliberations. They asked none. Not a single one. That is significant. It was our first indication of where this might lead. Juries ask questions for clarity when there is ambiguity, opaqueness of right/wrong, or cases with conflicting/contradictory minutiæ. The absence of questions to the Judge in this instance suggests that they weren't in conflict as a deliberating body at all.
2. They deliberated for only 10 hours. On THREE felony murder charges. That means they deliberated an average of 3.3 hours on each charge. Those aren't 'hung jury' numbers. Those are the kinds of numbers attached to juries who are discussing details of punishment, instead of debating guilt v. innocence.
3. This fact cannot ever be stressed too much: active duty police officers gave compelling, sworn testimony in the service of the prosecution's case. For the first time in America's history, every one of Her citizens had an opportunity to see good cops actually do something about bad cops. In the open. On record. I can't tell you how huge that is.
4. Wall-to-wall, real time coverage of the trial was the right, correct, and proper thing to do. America (and the world) took notice of this story when it happened, and She became invested in a very personal way- to the tune of 15-26 million people in street demonstrations across the entire country. Still in partial lockdown, America has now watched this trial- front-to-back with a level of focused national attention not seen since those first few days/months/years after MLK's assassination. I pray that this increased public attention leads to substantive social policy change going forward. Cell phone footage is America's 'new normal.'
5. Guilty. On all three counts. The State's lead prosecuting attorney summarized it thus, in his closing arguments' final rebuttal: "Trust what your eyes have seen, and trust the '46th witness'- Common Sense."
_______________
Derek Chauvin committed cold-blooded murder while wearing a uniform that is meant to represent all Americans. A jury of his peers saw what happened that day, saw what he did, saw who he was... and convicted him in terms commensurate with the depravity of his actions.
This man casually plucked pebbles from the treads of the nearby tire of his on-scene unit, while citizens implored him to take his knee off of the throat of a subdued, handcuffed+face-down prone person under restraint and in custody.
Derek Chauvin is now a felony murder convict.
America did what She was tasked to do. Step One: complete. Sentencing will be the next test of who we are, and what we stand for.
This story isn't close to being finished.
Correct in all counts- And I really did not expect the RIGHT thing to happen. I thought they would get him on the manslaughter charge and let him walk on the other two charges. And if he would have walked on all three-boy would it have been ugly
And I still don't think that they would have gotten a conviction on all three counts if it were not for that video and a couple officers crossing the blue line and giving a honest portrayal of what happened
I have seen the video. And yes, at least one of the other two were helping hold Floyd down as Chauvin murdered him. I have no intention of putting myself through watching it again to give you more details.
As for an investigation, an investigation is done before any criminal charges are brought forth. A prosecutor must feel he has gathered enough evidence to warrant a conviction before he ever brings charges.
So what are known to be facts at this present time are this.
1. An investigation was done and the results are that the prosecutor found enough evidence during that investigation to bring charges on the other officers.
2. There is actual video evidence that at least one of the other officers helped hold Floyd down while Chauvin murdered him.
3. None of the other officers took any measures to try to stop or reduce the force Chauvin applied to Floyd.
Once again, I'm not a legal expert. But what I'm pretty sure of is that if you help restrain someone as another person is murdering a man, you assisted in that murder.
We'll certainly find out.
I will say that watching this video wasn't easy. It was actually very painful to watch. I'm certainly not one to try and find fault with anyone who made the decision not to view it. I understand their position.
What I do know is that if I hadn't actually seen it for myself it would have been very hard for me to believe some of the things it pertained. I would have felt people were trying to exaggerate or embellish the events that unfolded.
Even the facial expressions of Chauvin towards the bystanders while he murdered Floyd spoke volumes to me. It was truly sickening.
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It's very hard to try and find a silver lining to this dark, continuing cloud that has loomed over our society for so long.
One thing I saw in this case that I did find may give us some hope for the future was this....
We had law enforcement officers actually stand up in a court of law and testify against one if their own. From the police chief down the ranks they actually stood up for what was right in the face of it all. The best we can hope for now is that becomes the rule rather than the exception to the rule. That's a pretty big stretch but it is a sign for hope.
Sadly as you posted, none of that was done at the scene or George Floyd would still be alive today and you are right that until we see that become the norm, how can anyone trust what may happen to them? Which brings up a question I've seen posted on such threads as these before.
If a "good cop" stands by and does nothing while a bad cop is doing the wrong thing, is he really a "good cop"?
As per usual, no matter how hard I try, you do a much better job of putting into words the things I try to express.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
... at least one of the other two were helping hold Floyd down as Chauvin murdered him.
To be clear, my thoughts did not take this into account, and were solely focused on their standing by and watching. Regarding the consequences to each of their specific actions/inactions, this is obviously a big deal. Thank you for clarifying that.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
No problem. Now that Chauvin has been convicted of murder it certainly adds a degree of culpability for anyone who helped restrain a person while they are being murdered.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I'm a registered Republican who voted for Biden because I couldn't stand Trump, who slammed anyone daily on twitter if he was criticized. Republicans who still support him need to look at his record. He either set the record or had nearly the record for firings/ those who quit because they couldn't stand him any longer. A President who ran the Presidency thru social media because all mainstream news is FAKE news- he turned on FOX news eventually.
Cop got what he deserved. He's only racist, whites are the only ones who are racists. Get real. Are blacks racist, hell yes. And this is only an American problem.....right. How about England, France, Germany....duh. The world.
"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
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