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I know you did. I was speaking in generic terms. As to people not taking me seriously anymore, some do and I am not all that concerned with the others.

I am not saying that in a mean spirited way. Just a matter of fact way.

Bear spray is a term that gained traction after the riot.

I believe police may carry pepper spray or mace.

Bear spray is a lot stronger.

I've stated this many times in the past but feel it bears repeating. Within any large group of people you will find both good and bad. The police are no different. There are many good cops who perform their jobs well and are of great service to the communities of which they serve. They go above and beyond to serve in charities and civil outreach programs.

Then we have bad cops. These must be weeded out and removed from police forces.

I see that as being no different than any other large groups of people in any profession. The only real difference is that these people carry guns and hold the life of their fellow citizens in their hands which means identifying the bad ones and taking their badges is far more critical than almost any other profession.

Exactly...and premeditated? LOL...that cop didn't wake up and plot to kill that girl.

Being guy who hiked a lot in back country, I say bear spray because it shoots a long distance. Pepper spray and mace are typically (or used to be) intended to be used closer proximity.

You are correct, bear spray is stronger.

I will say one thing, I wouldn't mind hearing an explanation as to why he pulled a gun vs a taser.

You don't use a taser in that situation. When someone is brandishing a weapon, you don't use a taser. Tasers are not 100% effective, and in some situations don't work at all.

I am not really sure of the events of what happened. There are some screen stills from the bodycam footage which seem like she had a knife, and others that seem like what she had in her hand was a cell phone. I can't tell.

The police are trained to end a threat. They shoot center body mass. They don't fire at the leg, and they don't fire warning shots. If this was a cell phone in her hand, this will not go well for the officer. If it was indeed a knife, I believe this was a justified action by the cop. The whole situation is very heartbreaking and sad.

j/c...

This is a situation where people want "asking questions", pepper spray, bear spray or tasers?

I don't think there is actually any question that can rationally be brought forward for the officers need to use deadly force in this situation. The life of others were in immediate risk of death.

WTF is wrong with you??? This girl got what she asked for. It does not matter what color her skin is she got what she asked for. George was murdered, this girl was was not. She would have killed somebody if the cops would not have stepped in.

I agree completely. It is important that we weed out the bad apples. However, I'm am not sure how we go about it. Some things that might work...Better and more psychological testing, tougher training in high stress situations, weaken the police unions ability to get bad cops fired, increase pay to get better candidates. I do know that the more we attack all police the tighter their ranks will get.

Spergon, It might be hard to see it was a knife in the stills but in the video you can clearly see it is a knife when it is on the ground after the officer shot her.

I don't have an answer that will totally stop it either. One thing I certainly feel will help the situation is a national data base for police records. As of now far too often police officers are let go over disciplinary actions only to be hired in another town, city or state. That would certainly help keep them off the streets once such a problem has been identified.

How to stop 85 to 90 percent of this crap.

1st people don't resist arrest, get mouthy, ignore police orders, or break the law.
2nd Cops actually do their jobs, and do them right.

Plain simple and easy to understand for everybody.

You can clearly see she definitely had a knife there and when they're attending to her after she was shot.

Yep.

And as someone who lives in a household with someone who works in law enforcement (not an officer), I hate guys like Derek Chauvin, because aside from him being a murderer, he also makes good cops' jobs much harder.

Most cops are good people, who are just trying to help people.

I have said it many times, maybe not on this forum, but I really think a lot of this stems from big metro cities. Minneapolis, NYPD, LAPD, Chicago, etc.. It just seems like they have more officers who are not prepared.

I just hate that there are people who throw a blanket on this whole thing, instead of looking at every incident, every situation, as its own thing. It's ok to support police and call out what Chauvin did. Just like it is to support black lives matter, and admit that in some situations, the cop had no choice. But so many are planted on one side of this, that they don't care about facts and evidence. It's just like politics. It has turned into sports.

I was happy to see that the jury in the Chauvin trial did the right thing. I also agree, this is not the end of this stuff. When cops are in the wrong, there needs to be accountability.

Let me tell you what's not so "easy to understand". How people keep saying this. The penalty for resisting arrest is a maximum of one year in prison. It's not even a felony offense. Using this a reason the cops somehow have the right to give out the death penalty for a crime a judge can only give the maximum sentence of one year for is what's not so easy to understand. It's just an excuse given to the cops for it.

The girl was obviously, at best, going to hurt the other one with the knife. If not kill her. And to keep it up after the police were on the scene. Something wrong there.

I'm not going to crucify the cop and the force. I think anything other than a gun was no longer an option by the time he actually fired.

What gets me is how he seemed to stand there like a deer in the headlights until she was already lunging at the girl in pink. He could have reached out just as she sent the other girl to the ground. They were practically in arms' reach. Just about at his feet.

You can't tell me he wasn't trained enough to disarm a teenage girl. Is that a situation where he would actually consider his life on the line? At worst, it should have cost him some stitches.

And then, when he fired, it wasn't preempted by a verbal warning. He spoke nanoseconds before pulling the trigger. Almost in sync with it. And it also looked to me like he sooo could have hit the other girl.

It's absolutely terrible. Especially to happen yesterday. It was obviously worse for the girl and her family but it is really bad for EVERYONE. One baby step forward, ten giant leaps backwards.

One of the things that was mentioned during the trial and reported on quite a few times was the fact that the person on trial was Chauvin. It wasn't police in general and it definitely wasn't George Floyd. I think that distinction and attitude is what paved the way for testimony from other officers against him.

In the lead-up to the verdict I saw the original incident report posted a couple times. Unfortunately, I mostly agree with people that allege that, if not for the video that went viral, this very easily could've been swept under the rug. I think an appropriate follow-up to the trial verdict would be the police looking into how the actions that were captured on video could possibly be summarized as they were in that report.

Correct. And this was after she had already attacked another person who had fallen to the ground, there was no reason to assume that person hadn't already been stabbed. Police did the right thing, and in my view, the only acceptable thing. Imagine if she had stabbed the person pinned to the car. I certainly wouldn't want to explain to that family that I saw pepper spray as the appropriate action.

I was raised to understand that being a jackass and arguing with cops and resisting arrest ment having a good chance to be shot.

What would your dad have said about being an [censored] and disrespecting the cops? Why do you think it's just fine to ignore the law???

At this very second, a taser would likely have put her butt on the ground (edit: after reading spergon's post maybe not). Bear spray probably not.

BTW, way to take two images from the video to make your point. I can take screen shots where she wasn't directly on someone to make my point too.

Based on what I saw, do I think the cop will be charged with murder? No. Based on what I saw, do I think the cop should be charged with murder? No. Do I think the cop had other options? Yes.

While it happened very fast, guns aren't always the best answer.

Thanks for the taser explanation, I wasn't aware of that and appreciate the opportunity to learn.

They could have easily made this out to be an OD, and Chauvin would still be on the street, and this could have happened again.

Stop dodging the point. Why should a cop be excused for killing someone for committing a misdemeanor? No, I was not taught that acting like a jack ass, arguing with a cop or resisting arrest meant having a good chance to be shot. I was taught that's a sure way to end up in jail.

I'll repeat, there is no excuse for a cop handing out the death penalty for a crime a judge can only give you a year in jail for. As long as they situation exists, stop blaming the person who committed the crime for it. If a cop shoots someone for resisting arrest the cop should be held accountable for it.

"You aren't doing what you're told and calling me names" is not an excuse for a cop to hand out the death penalty.

No problem, I know it's a harsh approach, but I cannot imagine being in their shoes. You have seconds, sometimes less than that, to make a very hard decision. I could never do that job. There's a side that we don't really see, where these guys and gals get treated like absolute garbage. People getting defensive the minute they get to the window of someone who was pulled over. Being spit on, called names. Having to see things that you cannot unsee. Having to take lives. If this Columbus shooting was justified, that cop still has to live with taking that kid's life. She wasnt a scumbag. She was a kid. She was still wrong for trying to stab someone, but she was just a kid. That can mess you up for life.

Big old nope from me

LMAO. Like I'm cherry-picking still shots. Please. Watch the video then. Four seconds between the first person being attacked, falling at the feet of the officer, and him shooting -- as the second is pinned to the car about to be stabbed. You want a cop to stop and think about the best way to stop someone from stabbing people? I feel like I'm living in a world of make-believe at times. Wow.

He NEVER said it was an excuse. He never said it was just. He simply said that there is a real easy, common-sense way to avoid the whole scene in the first place. Every time anybody says anything about not resisting arrest they're attacked and accused of excusing the officers actions, or worse. It's like dealing with toddlers.

Did you see me dodge anything bro????? I said straight up what I was taught being raised and how I feel now. I didn't stutter, I didn't hesitate. If you act like a ASS to the cops when they confront you, then expect to get treated badly, including getting shot.



Their is no excuse for people acting like they are above they law, yet you believe their is. Cop says don't reach down and touch your foot, You reach down and touch your foot. You get shot.... it's your own damn stupid ass fault that you got shot. You seem to believe that it's not. Cop.... don't point that gun at me. Suspect shoots the cop, you act like it's the cops fault WTF bro.

Some people live in fantasy land.

It does appear this good cop saved a life. He had no other option at that point. I’m glad they released the footage this fast. It shows they knew the officer had to use the deadly force to stop this lunatic from killing someone. It also proves when the police department refuse to release body cam footage it’s usually because a bad cop screwed up or murdered someone.

Amen!

That’s one dicey video.

I can’t even begin to imagine going up to this situation and figuring out how to diffuse it.

Would have been a good time for rubber bullets but they would have had to have been loaded into his gun. Taser, tackling, or trying to talk her down were all too dangerous to those she was after IMHO. In the situation, he did what he though he had to do. None of us know what was going on right now or why she was acting like this, but you don't call the police for help and then try to stab two people in front of them when they arrive UNLESS you want to be shot. For all we really know this could have been suicide by cop.

j/c

Different view, from a neighbor's security camera, across the street.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/security-footage-shows-police-shoot-210847224.html

You can see that, when shot, the girl was getting ready to thrust the knife into a girl - by the car.

I understand your comments on dummy rounds but I still think that a bad idea. If they come under fire, I don't think that having to discharge a couple of chunks of rubber is a good idea.

There may be some sort of answer, but I don't think that's one.

What an ignorant post.

1. I have a big problem with your choice of words for the post being "murdered." It implies some sort of intentional malice towards the police as if just killing in cold blood. It's moronic and a symptom of someone that revels in being a professional victim, wimp, weakling, whatever you want to call it. It shows you either lack a moral compass for what's right and wrong or you're just not intelligent enough to discern the difference between individual case studies of legal matters.

2. The cop needs to be celebrated for saving someone else's life and for doing the right thing. He should be congratulated immediately.

3. There should be NO investigation as one is not warranted in this case.

4. I would have done the exact same thing if I were in his shoes and I applaud him every step of the way. Not a second thought about it.

5. You have this girl out here within seconds away from stabbing another individual which could lead to death. It's perfectly reasonable and WELL within a policeman, or hell, regular civilian right with a firearm to fire away no doubt about it.

6. Only a moron would think this shooting is unjust and try to make it more than it ought to be.

7. Frankly I'm sick of this race baiting, coward, victim mentality, being afraid to take responsibility for your actions (the victim) . If you're dumb enough to try and kill another person you deserve to be shot. Sorry if that's how it is but people need to obey law enforcement, especially if you have a gun pointed at you. What's the saying again? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!

8. Sure, it may be tragic but don't you dare blame the police for doing their jobs,thats what they're there for. I would have done the same thing. Anyone that thinks otherwise is wrong or blinded by racial hatred and using it as a crutch to further a bull crap agenda. Nobody has time for that.

9. I'm extremely infuriated by Mayor Ginther. I didn't vote for him and think he's a disgrace. The man has no spine and needs to be replaced by someone that does.

And that's all I have to say about this. Again, it's unfortunate that such a young girl chose to act that way but everyone needs to learn there are consequences for your actions. And for some, that appears to be a harder lesson to learn than others. What a shame....

Nice, if dated, video.



There was no premeditation by the officer. the person with the knife was actively attacking.

Ignorant post? yes. Posted by someone that perhaps doesn't know as much as they think. Dictionary definitions are nice when you're sitting at home, safe and secure.

I don't sit at home and read the dictionary. I find it boring. I also don't profess to be the most intelligent poster on here. (some will take that the wrong way, and that's fine).

What I DO know is, with fake headlines/article topics - it won't be terribly long before cops just flat out quit showing up in the event something is going down. They'll wait, then take reports.

one comment and one played 911 call sort of suggest the girl with the knife, ( I think was calling the police) though they made clear to not say that on the news.
it was a, " there are grown girls here fighting, including putting hands on (words that made me think her grandma, I forget the exact), "get here now!"

The earlier comment mentioned the word jumped in the context they had earlier threatened.

so I wouldn't be surprised if it came out, that that girl who got shot was the one who called police, and she was defending her front of house, but I don't know, it just seems that way so far.