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That scenario works for me. As fans we can't see the draft board. I am so used to the Browns picking high and having a real good idea who we could choose, it should at least be exciting to see it unfold form a far different perspective.

I know I have said on many occasions that unlike other years, there is a very realistic chance we could move up 5-6 slots if we like a player who is still there, or move back 5-10 slots if the board is stacked with several players we like and can realistically project some still being on the board. If legit argument can be made to do either, standing pat is also a possibility.

To me, those extra picks is what gives us that flexibility. We can use some of those 3rd and 4th rounders to make a move up in the first, or move down out of the 1st in to the 2nd and use some of those picks to move to gain another 2nd round pick...and so it goes.

One thing I do know is our FO likes to gain future picks. I'd be shocked, and maybe even a bit disappointed if we didn't do something to gain a pick or two for next year. I like the flexibility to maneuver around the board.

We are past the point of needing to select a lot of players. We have 9 picks this draft. I don't see any real possibility we draft that many. Even with 7 picks I could see us drafting maybe 5 players.

This year we are at the point in the 1st round where there probably isn't going to be that 1 stand out player to take. There will probably be 10 players we could make a good case to draft, and all would make some sense. No doubt there will be many differences of opinion on who we take, but to me that makes the case for a possible trade down. If some team wants our 1st rounder, it is for sale, and it won't have to be a killing like some people would want. We need to remember that trades have to work for both teams. It's not like our FO is great and everybody else has idiots in charge.

So, I'd call up the NY Giants, Good Morning Mr. Gettleman, have a nice cup of coffee.

I see you have only 6 picks in this upcoming draft and some needs on your team, let me help you find a win win solution.

See the Browns are about to pick here at #110, and we're going to give you that pick, you have #116, and now you'll get to pick two players just 6 picks apart.

Think about it, you can have two pieces of pie, and you don't have to surrender any picks this year.

Your draft so far has been suspect, and your GM, hotseat can't be all that great because, all those pesky supplemental rules left you with fewer picks than other teams, and face it, your final two picks, well they're way down in 190+

And We both know you can always use another O-lineman, a young and spry, tough guy with a ton of upside.

So Giants, How about, a Trade of
Drew Forbes, and the Browns pick 110, overall.

And all I'd ask in return is the Giants 3rd round pick next year,
And We'll take Jabrill Peppers, back, and any worries about his contract extension will become our problem,

Forbes' contract is through the end of 2023.

It's win win, what do ya say?

The Giants should take that as a deal, I mean, if I think about it, the Browns only get Peppers for 1 year and then he's a free agent, and could go right back to the Giants. ( but that helps supplementals, but that's future)

The Giants no longer have Kevin Zeitler because of money.

Giants 2nd round pick not 3rd next year!

But add in Nick Harris, Future starting center.

And Giants can move up a whole round from 196-169 this year, swap picks 196 for 169 this year.

(So, Browns would get,
S. Jabrill Peppers, and the Giants 2nd round pick in 2022.
And swap drop from 169-all they way down to-196 this year.
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And the Giants would get OL Drew Forbes, OL Nick Harris, and Browns pick #110 this year.
And move up all the way from 196---to---169 this year.

Whew... That would NOT be fleecing Gettleman.
Shew;)

Propose that offer, I'd take that If I could for the Browns and try to fix things in the draft.

But only if the players I'm looking at would still be available at the time of the trade.

ehh, it might be too much to give up. maybe a 1 from them next year.
Would you do it.

Throw...calm down.

It's one thing to talk to yourself...we all do it to a degree. It's another to start typing out replies to yourself.

If this 1st round top ten talent along the Offensive line,
Falls to the Browns pick in the 2nd at #59, and the Browns take the correct one, then we all should be throwing confetti!

Search Ben Cleveland of the Georgia Bulldogs. (Or Somebody)

He's Man-Childing a guy who appears about 6'1 290 in the one photo,
And Ben Cleveland OL, Georgia is making that guy look like a 7 year old; it's uncanny, he's a massive dude.

I'm in love with the idea of reuniting Jabrill Peppers to the Browns, I want to see him play here again before he ends his career.
(and it makes sense for both the Browns and Giants. This Year.)

Peppers is not protecting Lock or opening holes for Saquan Barkley.

I'm not going to calm down until the Browns make a bad pick.

jc...


Browns at No. 26 can be “very flexible,” with one caveat

Posted by Mike Florio on April 24, 2021, 4:38 PM EDT
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The Browns will pick near the bottom of round one for the first time in a long time. So could they move up?

G.M. Andrew Berry addressed in a Friday press conference the flexibility that the Browns have with the 26th pick.


“In general, how I view the draft is we really go into the mindset of really trying to maximize the long-term impact on our roster,” Berry said. “It is less about filling a need or some level of instant gratification on the roster and more about a longer-term focus on the team. That all being said, I like where we are picking, and not just at 26, but at 59, 89, 91, 110 and so forth. There are plenty of opportunities where we can add young players who can grow with us over the next several years. To your question about moving off of the pick, I think the positioning in this draft allows us to be very flexible, whether that is moving up, down or sitting and picking. Largely, that will be dictated by how the board falls ahead of us. I think we have a lot of flexibility going into Thursday night.”

So, like every other team in round one (except the Jaguars), Cleveland’s options are to trade up, trade down, or use their pick. However, with the Browns may not want to not have a first-round selection during the draft they’re hosting.

“I am going to guess a quiet Thursday night would not be popular amongst this audience,” Berry said with a laugh. “I will tell you that I am comfortable if we pick, I am comfortable if we move out, and I am comfortable if we move up. Largely, it depends on circumstance, but I am not married to really any particular decision certainly six days from us knowing what the first pick of the draft is going to be.”

That’s why there are so many possibilities for many team. The more the board plays out, the more obvious it will be whether someone wants to move up, whether a team will want to move down, or whether the team will stay put and take someone who’s still there. Still, the fans in Cleveland who will be waiting all night to learn the name of the team’s newest player won’t be thrilled with the prospect of the Browns ultimately adding no one.

I guess at this point my question would be, if there are a group of players left at #26 who are all grouped in pretty much with the next six to ten players, why would anyone in that range want to trade up with us? Especially with some great value that favors us?

What a horrible take.

Not every team has the same needs, evaluations, plans, philosophy, etc. Some teams do really dumb things...Browns fans should know that from our own experiences prior to the path that Sashi put us on.

The guy who brought you the great DeShone Kizer and Kevin Hogan?

The path of losing? He was so good he got fired. He must be your version of a martyr. "He sacrificed his career for the greater good of the Browns future." Pulease....

Nobody all the way down to 32 needs a QB. Nobody in the top 5 of round two didn't get a shot at QB in round 1. You have to find a trade partner willing to give you value.

According to some posters we have they're smarter than several NFL FO's. Yet here they are posting on a message board.

I like Ben Cleveland, and that would be a "safe" jersey purchase...lol

I see him more in the 2nd round but we would probably have to trade up or trade back out of the 1st to make it a value pick.

That would be our board. Other teams boards may be entirely different. You never know when some team falls in love with a player. We don't need a QB. Some team may want Kyle Trask or Kellen Mond and doesn't want to chance "their guy" being drafted before their selection.

Discussions may start a few picks, or even days earlier, but obviously we wouldn't know until we are on the clock and some team has the player they want sitting there.

Not wishing for Ben Cleveland just commenting on his huge stature.

If I'm picking for the Browns at 54, and could make that trade to get Jabrill Peppers back,

and then turn in the card right after to select
Creed Humphrey OC. from Oklahoma.

Because he's big but athletic and becomes a future and current replacement for backup center / off the bench Interior line depth.
And Because I'd get Peppers back, who I KNOW the Browns can use him the right way to create turnovers again,
The Giants are probably just misusing his talents.

This is 'it' right here. Comparing hit rate of top10 pick vs 26 vs 2nd round, etc. isn't the right math.

We could trade up to top10, but then we're giving up extra picks (a 1st rounder next year, 2nd or 3rds this year, etc. The hit rate is higher for a top ten pick, I'm sure... but the correct comparison is the hit rate at spot vs the combined hit rates of all the picks it took to trade up to top 10. The math has shown that teams that maximize picks in that certain zone (end of first round to beginning of 3rd, or something like that) are the ones maximizing their chances of landing stud(s).

Put another way, when you add "the draft is a crapshoot" plus "there's talent throughout the top of the draft to somewhere in the 3rd round", this is what you get.

It could work out that way. Just as easily as it could work out that someone we have listed in the top #15 drops to #21 and we see the wisdom of trading up to grab him.

I have always said that trading up, back, or standing pat are all viable possibilities.

You asked a question and I answered how different teams have different boards and how a few Qbs might tempt a team to move up rather than wait and hope.

At 26 you're not going to get enough to make it worthwhile and you lose that 5th year option. I'd trade up or stand pat.

Reading threads like this make me realize why some people need the government to force them to save money for retirement.

We are truly a country of instant gratification.

And the strategy gave us picks to select other players.

Why point out things that happened 5 years ago? The problem wasn't the strategy.

We have extra picks again this year that give us added options. I hope we go in to next year with added draft picks.

Hey, a few days ago you were talking about forget the hype, just win games. Now you are talking about the Super Bowl.

When I started the thread I was relatively specific about the scenario that would not only interest me, but have me all in on the idea. I did not even suggest it was likely to happen.

First, it involves players that fit in our positions of need available at 26 that had either equal ranking or only a slightly higher than several that would likely be available 8-11 picks later. Not trading to the end of round 2.

Right away some responses asked for prior precedent. There was no prior precedent, at least that I recall, when Washington gave up 3 #1s to move up just a few spots to grab RGlll. The Browns also traded a first round in the next years draft and a player (also some later picks were exchanged in the same trade) for a current year 2nd rounder. Stuff happens.

Why I thought it was possible regards the QB position. Someone posted the name Kyle Trask. I have seen mocks of him going in later part of round one. If team needs a "future " QB maybe they would be willing to move up a bit. Every team values players differently and with us not needing to focus on QB it gives a bit of an advantage.

Listening to a lot of draft analysts most of the players in positions we need have what I consider a significant negative. Some have injury issues from college, some are "tweeners" and don't really transfer to a specific NFL position, others did not play in many games, some have work ethic or character issues (not bad kids, more along the lines of taking plays off.

That is what caused me to bring up the scenario. After all it is a lot easier tryign to figure ths iout when draft top 5 or top 10.

Without trading down and acquiring more picks we don’t have Denzel Ward or Jarvis Landry.

I get that 1 of the picks we traded for Landry was acquired in a trade down previously, but we didn't draft him.

We also traded away 2 picks for Wyatt Teller, a pick for Ronnie Harrison, a pick for Andy Janovich.

Heck, if anything apparently the best thing we can do with day 3 picks is trade them for players. Time will tell.

That works for me if the right players are available. No one true method works. Use all options to make the team better.

j/c:

Shocker. Trading down will be huge.

And because of that added value, I think this is the preferred route for the Browns to go down generally over the next couple of days, but perhaps even with #26. Now, what they prefer and what ends up happening are two different things but adding 2022 value might be a target.

I still believe we could use another CB and edge rusher not to mention a deep threat at WR. Our Browns for 2021 are not a finished product. JMO

I think the preference of this front office will always be to trade down in the first round. Whether they get good value or not is the question.

Cornerback or trade down (assuming a trade partner is available).

Side note, 50F and rain is nice touch for the draft!

Yeah the weather is going to suck. It's 67 degrees here in Youngstown and 52 in Cleveland. I'm still going to come up!

A case could also be made for DT.

If there were a quality guy available I would agree. It seems like there are no guys worthy of our pick in that spot this year.

JMHO, we have a stacked team right now, but the window is short...lots of guys small windows- do we pay Chubb, Mansfield, Teller, Ward, OBJ, Landry....several of those guys won't be paid and will be GONE- nine guys don't make the team....so move up to get an impact player, who, I don't know, but I trust this office....I don't see us making nine picks....GO Browns!!

Obviously, the value way of doing it would be to trade back to the early to mid 2nd, but I would have no problem with us taking Nixon in the 1st.

j/c:

Don't rule out a WR!

That's my bold prediction WR ...