so I wouldn't be surprised if it came out, that that girl who got shot was the one who called police, and she was defending her front of house, but I don't know, it just seems that way so far.
Uh.......if she was defending her house, why, when the cops showed up, did she attempt to stab others?
I understand your comments on dummy rounds but I still think that a bad idea. If they come under fire, I don't think that having to discharge a couple of chunks of rubber is a good idea.
There may be some sort of answer, but I don't think that's one.
I honestly wish they would do away with carrying tasers and go to either beanbag guns or these which have stopping power:
This is a situation where people want "asking questions", pepper spray, bear spray or tasers?
At this very second, a taser would likely have put her butt on the ground (edit: after reading spergon's post maybe not). Bear spray probably not.
BTW, way to take two images from the video to make your point. I can take screen shots where she wasn't directly on someone to make my point too.
Based on what I saw, do I think the cop will be charged with murder? No. Based on what I saw, do I think the cop should be charged with murder? No. Do I think the cop had other options? Yes.
While it happened very fast, guns aren't always the best answer.
LMAO. Like I'm cherry-picking still shots. Please. Watch the video then. Four seconds between the first person being attacked, falling at the feet of the officer, and him shooting -- as the second is pinned to the car about to be stabbed. You want a cop to stop and think about the best way to stop someone from stabbing people? I feel like I'm living in a world of make-believe at times. Wow.
I acknowledged it happened very quickly. I also know the officer was in a terribly difficult situation that he needed to act at the blink of an eye. And that the officer likely saved a life. It is a shame it ended the way it did and I wish the police had other options than deadly force.
2. The cop needs to be celebrated for saving someone else's life and for doing the right thing. He should be congratulated immediately.
3. There should be NO investigation as one is not warranted in this case.
I don’t think anything regarding this incident should be celebrated. It’s heartbreaking all around.
There should absolutely be an investigation, and i believe any time an officer’s gun is fired, there is one. Data is important so that policies and procedures can be improved. Doesn’t mean you’re trying to somehow fit a cop into being charged.
Lebron posted You're next #ACCONTABILITY ; Let's be sure to tell the whole story. And he probably deleted it after seeing the girl with the knife. Not much going on here but Breitbart pearl clutching.
So, you excuse Lebron for posting that, eh? Who cares if he deleted it. Much like rocket posting the head line of "columbus girl murdered by police" was a joke, so was Lebrons post. Shouldn't have done it.
Donald Trump called me an enemy of the state... Ingram told lebron to shut up and dribble... Breitbart is a well known site that pushes a white supremacy driven agenda from the likes of Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, the dude that was Trump's puppeteer for four years. Who cares what the right thinks about Lebron or the left. Over there it's mostly fascist pointing fingers and clutching pearls.
LeBron did tweet what was posted. Like many others he should get the facts before tweeting. I think from his tweets he still has an issue with this cop. I don't understand why after seeing the video.
I think he means something else entirely. He even said this is not about one cop. He's like many on here that hate seeing this happen, especially to a kid. He's probably in the camp of something else should have could have been done other than to shoot her down.
I disagree with him on that point as far as this cop needing to act fast and stop her from stabbing the others, but I feel the same as him in that it all needs to change and it needs to change now. I struggle to accept the killing of a child, anybody truly, but I also understand why this particular shooting happened. Under current guidelines with current training, I'm fairly certain this officer done what he was trained to do.
LeBron is human. He showed his outrage in a tweet. He never called for anything bad to happen to the cop, just that he be held accountable. Unfortunately, in this case, I feel the cop was in the right with our present knowledge of the facts. It should be thoroughly investigated and not just brushed under the rug, but at the end of the day I think the cop responding with lethal force was justified.
LeBron is very intelligent. I think he gets that too, now if not immediately anyway. I'd bet he posted that first tweet as a reaction to the news that another cop killed a black kid just minutes after the Chauvin verdict became public. I can see why he did it clearly. The he probably watched the body cam video and realized the position the cop was in, so he deleted the other and posted these to explain himself. I'm good with that and think nothing less of him for it.
I think maybe rockets reaction falls into the same category. His heart is in the right place, but as of now I think his initial facts were all wrong.
LeBron is human. He showed his outrage in a tweet. He never called for anything bad to happen to the cop, j
You're next, in regards to the cop and the dead girl. That's what he said. (posted) Be an apologist all you want - that IS what he said.
You give Maxine Waters a free ride for saying "get in their face. You excuse that b.s., yet you hold Trump accountable for saying "peacefully protest"........blaming it all on Trump. (hey, did you hear? Sicknick - cop, died of natural causes? I bet you didn't, cause you've never said anything about it)
And now here you are making excuses and apologies for Lebron saying, about the cop, "You're next."
lmao. Take you trolling comments and stickem where the sun don't shine. I'm done allowing you to troll me and drag me down into your dubious cagey rabbit holes. So drivel, snivel, and try as you may, it's not going to happen. I don't believe for one second that you are genuinely interested in anything I have to say.
Sadly, I think the only reason you post like this is purely to attempt to troll me and others on the left. So I think it's high time we all told you and the others like you to just shut the hell up and get lost. You'll have to find another way to get your jollies.
Spoken like someone behind a keyboard after the fact with tons of time to think about it.
As oober said, it was a matter of seconds since he exited the vehicle and the incident occurred. One of your options is to rush at someone with a knife and tackle then when they're going berzerk?
Keep in mind, she just attacked someone with a lethal weapon and then began attacking someone else with said weapon, in the presence of 3 cops. Add in the timeline, too.
Do I wish that she survived? Absolutely 1,000% yes. Life is precious. Do I blame the cop for using his firearm? No, I do not.
No, speaking as a human being. Shooting someone should never be the first option. But after watching the video, options were limited. Taser was still a possiblity...as was bear spray (if they carry it).
I shouldn’t have reacted so vehemently. For that I apologize. It was displacement on my part.
I do think in that scenario with split-second thinking, there is not much questioning or dissection that can be fairly made of the matter post-fact because we’re taking a situation that is insanely awful and trying to rationalize behavior that was entirely reactionary IMO and not premeditated.
The thread title still needs to be changed, too. Rocket, not sure where you’ve gone on this one. You call out a lot of people with opposing views - often rightly so - for not owning up to things...
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If the best we can do around here is “well, of course he had to...” then I don’t have much to add. People have their minds made up here to always give police, an institution built on slave patrols and “financial security”, the benefit of the doubt.
I am truly exhausted from trying to provide additional evidence for my views and backing. It’s essentially sport and a negative feedback loop for some people. Seems like a fun game for people here to play is “let’s own the libs/own the Qultists with the like button”
The counter arguments to my factual data comes down to “well, you’re just some snarky person”, “oh look, a commie bleeding heart liberal”, “let me give a piece from some hack that lacks the ethos from their argument”, “you’re so full of yourself”, etc.
Someone nudge me when we move past justifying death, posting right-wing grifters, and amplifying mouthpieces that amplify white supremacy at this website address.
Till then, have at it. I’ve got nothing left to add.
I think I've shown through these threads that I try not to align myself with any sort of preconceived notions, as hard as that is sometimes. OCD was the first to come up with the assessment, and I would think his predilection lines up with yours, just given all the various threads.
I think there are a lot of people who have taken an opposing side to yours who would never subscribe to "let's own the libs."
I countered factual data with additional factual data. Most of the discussion on this thread centers around factual data. You came back saying that you were "going with the dictionary definition." I did not call you a snarky person, but if you don't think that was a snarky response, I don't know what to tell you.
Saying that we are trying to justify death, post right-wing grifters, and amplify white supremacy on this thread is dismissive, false, and it's a cop-out. Many of the posters in this thread do not fall into that category.
You are accusing people of having their minds made up. I think each one of us - myself included - needs to make sure we ourselves are not guilty of what we accuse. It's a daily struggle.
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What part of any of your posts on here could be construed as factual? Your assessment, tip-to-tail, was 100% emotion. You whine about 'owning the libs' in your own thread trying to incriminate (in the court of public opinion) an officer that responded to a knife-wielding person who attempted to stab 2 people. "But why didn't he ask questions?"
Create a thread saying a cop committed murder when he clearly didn't. Call for additional accountability when this specific police department opens an immediate investigation and releases the body-cam footage in record time. Then turn around and whine about 'owning the libs' when you're throwing cheap shots and tossing around words like murder on the off-chance it helps your agenda.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Lebron did (sorta) walk it way back. At least that's how I read his 'educating myself and gathering facts' part. Kinda weak, as far as mea culpa's go (IMO).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I don’t fault the cop, but we need to stop throwing around the word ‘hero’. This was not a heroic situation. This was a crap situation with an even worse result.
There’s literally nothing in this incident that should be glorified. The family just lost a 15 year old, and a cop is probably self destructing internally NOT because of the media, or society...
It’s cause he just shot and killed a 15 year old. Nothing about this should be celebrated.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
If the best we can do around here is “well, of course he had to...” then I don’t have much to add. People have their minds made up here to always give police, an institution built on slave patrols and “financial security”, the benefit of the doubt.
This is simply not true. All you need to do is compare this thread to the George Floyd thread to see just how wrong it is.
My perception is that it is you who lump every such event as being the same. You paint them all with a broad brush. Each incident stands on its own with it's own set of events and circumstances.
What happened in the George Floyd case was murder. What happened in this case was a justified shooting.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
You can carry on and repeat yourself until the cows come home. There are times when a suspect pulls a weapon where a cop must protect himself and others. That isn't what we were talking about. What we were talking about is saying if someone doesn't kiss a cops ass they might get shot.
Nobody should expect to get shot for resisting arrest. Nobody should expect to get shot if they don't follow a cops marching orders. That's the problem. Let me tell you something else that could prevent as you put it "80% to 90% of this". Cops being held accountable the way Chauvin was.
Society shouldn't be expected to act in a way to protect themselves against bad cops. They are supposed to be protecting you. Not shooting or killing you for something that carries a one year sentence in jail.
If you can't see what the real issue is here I can't help you.
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There was a retired police chief on one of the tv shows last night. I am paraphrasing what he said.
He said that of course this is a tragic incident and officers see these type of incidents that are spiraling out of control and they have to make split second decisions-sometimes life or death. The chief thought this was tragic but justified -even based on the young ladies age.
Pertaining to this instance-when the officer gets out of the car-it is perceived that the one girl is going after the other girl with something-that officer has virtually a second or two to determine if it was a knife, gun, cell phone in her hand and is she really going to use it.
the officer made a decision and there was a tragic ending. In the police chiefs mind, he made a proper decision on most parts.
It would be up to the internal department review of this event to determine if the officer went by the police department policies. The only thing the chief saw that was out of the ordinary was his department policy was if you had to use deadly force, tap the trigger twice, stop and reassess and then hit the trigger another two times. This was 4 quick shots and the officer will have to explain his thought process in using his weapon as all events like this are investigated.
They always taught their officers that if you have to ever do this, also you must aim for center mass-if you have to use deadly force, you can't be messing with shooting for the hand that the weapon is in or the legs-thats what happens in movies-these events are not movies
I'm certainly no expert on police procedure. But from a bystanders viewpoint and with my limited understanding of police procedures I saw nothing in the body cam footage of this incident that suggests wrongdoing on the part of the officer.
I hate to ever see an incident like this that ends in death. Whether it is an officer or a citizen. It's tragic for everyone involved. But I try to look at each such incident on an individual basis.
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The video footage then showed Bryant, who was holding a knife, appearing to lunge toward a person dressed in pink who was pinned against a car parked in the driveway.
“Hey! Hey!” Reardon said as he pulled his gun. “Get down! Get down!”
He fired four quick shots, and Bryant dropped to the ground at the edge of the driveway.
A witness yelled, “Why did you shoot her?”
The officer responded, “She came at her with a knife,” apparently referring to Bryant and the person dressed in pink.
Woods said Columbus officers were allowed to use deadly force to protect somebody who was in danger of being killed by another person. A Taser, he said, is generally reserved for situations where there is no immediate threat of death. Officers are not required to call out that they are about to fire their weapon, he added, though they try to if there is time.
“It’s a tragedy,” Woods said. “There’s no other way to say it. It’s a 16-year-old girl.”
Two experts who reviewed the body camera footage said that in this case, the officer’s use of force appeared at first glance to be justified.
Geoffrey P. Alpert, a professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina, said investigators would look at whether the officer believed that there was an imminent threat to the life of the other woman.
If there was an immediate threat, investigators will look at whether the officer could have resorted to other methods of control, he said. Alpert said that based on his own review, Bryant did appear to pose a threat to the life of the other woman.
“Were there other options? Not if she was about to stab that woman,” Alpert said, adding that a Taser could take too long to deploy, and that the less-than-lethal weapons are not 100% reliable. “He’s protecting her life, not his own,” he said. “What if it didn’t work and she ended up killing this woman?”
Now, the investigation is, and should be, still ongoing.
WHO called 911 is still not yet known, to my knowledge - it could very well have been the girl that died.
However, IF it was her that called 911, she had no business going about trying to stab 2 others, in the street/drive, after an officer showed up.
And keep in mind, the officer was responding to a call of someone with a knife. The officer saw someone with a knife, actively attempting to stab 2 different people in his presence.
If the best we can do around here is “well, of course he had to...” then I don’t have much to add. People have their minds made up here to always give police, an institution built on slave patrols and “financial security”, the benefit of the doubt.
I am truly exhausted from trying to provide additional evidence for my views and backing. It’s essentially sport and a negative feedback loop for some people. Seems like a fun game for people here to play is “let’s own the libs/own the Qultists with the like button”
The counter arguments to my factual data comes down to “well, you’re just some snarky person”, “oh look, a commie bleeding heart liberal”, “let me give a piece from some hack that lacks the ethos from their argument”, “you’re so full of yourself”, etc.
Someone nudge me when we move past justifying death, posting right-wing grifters, and amplifying mouthpieces that amplify white supremacy at this website address.
Till then, have at it. I’ve got nothing left to add.
That's a crap statement and you know it.
There are plenty of bad cops out there who do unjustified things, like Chauvin, but don't act like this is one of them. ANY person brandishing and actively attacking another human being with a knife while that person is defenseless and retreating is actively involved and the cause of anything that happens thereafter.
You want to lump all cops together, and then act like this situation is just another example of racism and systemic problems, when it is not. Again, there are PLENTY of other instances you could use to back up your thought process, but here you are wrong, and I'm pretty sure you know you're wrong, you just have yourself so far down this path of "ACAB" hysteria that you aren't willing to admit that sometimes the cop did the right thing.
I don’t fault the cop, but we need to stop throwing around the word ‘hero’. This was not a heroic situation. This was a crap situation with an even worse result.
There’s literally nothing in this incident that should be glorified. The family just lost a 15 year old, and a cop is probably self destructing internally NOT because of the media, or society...
It’s cause he just shot and killed a 15-year-old. Nothing about this should be celebrated.
I'll bet the girls he saved from being stabbed think he's a hero. The cop stepped up and did the right thing even though people like Rocket and Lebron are just looking for any reason to hang him.The cop must know that nobody has his back but he still came through.It is a shame a 15 yo girl died but she should not be out there with a knife trying to stab people.
2. The cop needs to be celebrated for saving someone else's life and for doing the right thing. He should be congratulated immediately.
3. There should be NO investigation as one is not warranted in this case.
I don’t think anything regarding this incident should be celebrated. It’s heartbreaking all around.
There should absolutely be an investigation, and i believe any time an officer’s gun is fired, there is one. Data is important so that policies and procedures can be improved. Doesn’t mean you’re trying to somehow fit a cop into being charged.
I was pretty aggravated in my last post because I see these protesters acting like the cop was in the wrong for what he did. That mentality I just don't get. It's not like anybody wanted the situation to happen or someone to get shot.
That being said, I think this was the correct procedure and policy. Sometimes swift action is the right decision and is warranted. I do think there needs to be a discussion on agreement "when" swift\lethal decisions need to be made, which would include someone else's life being in danger. As seen before, some cops use violent force when it's NOT needed and they need to be made examples of. Maybe there is similar training in different branches of enforcement, military, security for when lethal force is to be used...I'm not sure honestly.
The saddest part about this is that the girl is dead and will never get to experience the rest of her life. Personally I think her parents share a lot of the blame in this.
You want to lump all cops together, and then act like this situation is just another example of racism and systemic problems, when it is not.
I don't think he's capable of NOT doing that at this point.
He is an example of someone who has their head so wrapped up in identity politics that he cannot view people as individuals anymore. Everyone or every event has to be viewed as part of a larger group.
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