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I also think we should have a law that states immutable rules for the House and Senate, as well as mandating that any bill that makes it out of committee and hits the floor of the House or Senate gets a vote.

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There does need to be some guidelines set so that when a bill passes the house it should be heard on the senate floor. It makes it far too easy for a majority in the senate to shelf any idea the house may bring forth. And I'm not saying that just because Mitch McConnell used that as a weapon to stifle the house. It would prevent both parties from using this as a tool moving forward.


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I also think we should have a law that states immutable rules for the House and Senate, as well as mandating that any bill that makes it out of committee and hits the floor of the House or Senate gets a vote.


I understand your thinking, but I don't agree with that.

Lot's of bills are floated that need to be killed before they are voted. Lot's of bills can pass committee that never have a chance of being passed.

I am all for members doing the business of the American people, but there is a point where we don't need to be wasting time voting on dead bills.


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There does need to be some guidelines set so that when a bill passes the house it should be heard on the senate floor. It makes it far too easy for a majority in the senate to shelf any idea the house may bring forth. And I'm not saying that just because Mitch McConnell used that as a weapon to stifle the house. It would prevent both parties from using this as a tool moving forward.


I think both sides need to propose legislation that stands a chance of passage. Many times(IMO) bills are presented to rile up the troops or gain brownie points as the intent more than any thought it would actually pass.

My feeling is if a bill isn't written with bipartisan support so the members pushing the legislation can work inside their own party to gain the necessary support, it should never come up for vote.

Partisan legislation isn't in the best interest of the American people.

Rarely is the idea or thought the problem. It's all in the how's.


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The point is that the American people elected the members of the house. As such the bills they put forward should be read and debated in the senate.

You see, what gets passed and what does not isn't so much the issue. The issue is hearing why they do or don't pass. Hearing why one party opposes it and one party supports it.

That's a huge part of educating the voters on who they might decide to vote for in the next election. Just burying a bill because your party had decided they aren't going to pass it deprives the American people from actually knowing the reasoning why one party opposes the bill.

Refusing to bring it to the floor tells the people the only thing you want to do is hide from it and not debate its merits.

Partisan politics is exactly what you seem to be supporting when you say one side should just bury bills they don't support.


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We just disagree. I don't think you can tie things up with votes on every brain fart that floats by.


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We do disagree because I don't think when when 535 members of the house pass a measure to advance to the senate it can be considered a brain fart. Disagreeing on a bill doesn't make it a brain fart just because you disagree with it or don't like it.


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This country, the world even, needs more Liz Cheney's. A lot more...



The Conservatives have caught on to rinos like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney! Well deserved...



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Trump of Cult won't forgive those that voted with their conscience and based on the facts instead of along political lines for their Faux King. LOL


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OH NO ! More Rinos ... or are they Deep State Actors? Either way, more coming to light:

George W. Bush says the Republicans 'won't win anything' if they stand for 'white Anglo-Saxon protestantism' and slams his own party for not being inclusive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...testantism.html


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NOT TO MENTION that now that so many GOPers are refusing the covid vaccine, we are being informed that covid-19 will be with us for many years to come and herd immunity is not going to happen. GOOD JOB GOPers.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
NOT TO MENTION that now that so many GOPers are refusing the covid vaccine, we are being informed that covid-19 will be with us for many years to come and herd immunity is not going to happen. GOOD JOB GOPers.


I know a lot of GOPers and none of them have refused vaccines.

So prove that with facts, or stop lying.


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I know a handful of people who won't take the vaccine. Each if them also believe the election was stolen. It's a very small sample but it's 100% correlation


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Still waiting for actual stats from a verifiable source.


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The best thing to do for rural elderly voting Republicans is to refuse the vaccine.


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The best thing to do for rural elderly voting Republicans is to refuse the vaccine.




https://rumble.com/vfkxbl-vaccine-facts-...kF1DPoNusecgU6Q

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The challenge with the CDC is that they are always going to err on the side of caution for the protection of public health. That was the way of the CDC until Trump.


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Why 41 percent of Republicans don’t plan to get the COVID vaccine

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-41-percent-of-republicans-dont-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine


Nearly half of Republicans say they don’t want a Covid vaccine, a big public health challenge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/politics/republicans-covid-vaccines.html


Many Republican men are hesitant to get coronavirus vaccine: "I don't think it's necessary"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-hesitancy-republican-men/

If you need more proof, try opening your eyes.

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The best thing to do for rural elderly voting Republicans is to refuse the vaccine.




https://rumble.com/vfkxbl-vaccine-facts-...kF1DPoNusecgU6Q


Well we should all take up smoking a pack of cigarettes every day then. I mean it's never been proven that NOT smoking means you will ever develop lung cancer. Look how many people have given up smoking. 7 out of 10 lung cancers are caused my smoking 70 percent. That means that 3 out of 10 30 percent get lung cancer without smoking. So look how many folks gave up smoking because it lowered there chances of getting cancer by 40 percent. Yet look how many folks wont get a covid vaccine when it reduces your chances of getting covid that produces any symptoms by at least 92 percent.

https://time.com/5942076/proof-covid-19-vaccines-work/


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
NOT TO MENTION that now that so many GOPers are refusing the covid vaccine, we are being informed that covid-19 will be with us for many years to come and herd immunity is not going to happen. GOOD JOB GOPers.


I think that is across the board. Don't try to make it sound like it is only Republicans who aren't getting vaccinated. Large segments of the community aren't.


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Originally Posted By: fishtheice
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The best thing to do for rural elderly voting Republicans is to refuse the vaccine.




https://rumble.com/vfkxbl-vaccine-facts-...kF1DPoNusecgU6Q

Ummmmm - you don't get vaccinated so you don't have to wear a mask. That's just plain ignorant. Likewise bars, restaurants opening. Plain coo-coo.

In other news - getting vaccinated doesn't let you drive faster than the speed limit. It won't protect you from falling trees. Nor will it allow you to breath under water.

And nice that you posted yet one more news source not from the 3 sources you ONLY ever post.... kinda proves everything we need to know thumbsup


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Why 41 percent of Republicans don’t plan to get the COVID vaccine

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-41-percent-of-republicans-dont-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine


Nearly half of Republicans say they don’t want a Covid vaccine, a big public health challenge.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/us/politics/republicans-covid-vaccines.html


Many Republican men are hesitant to get coronavirus vaccine: "I don't think it's necessary"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-hesitancy-republican-men/

If you need more proof, try opening your eyes.


Oh hush !!! When they say "Facts" they don't mean, like, real facts. We all know they don't matter. They want PTLF - Pretend Trumpian Lie Facts. It's a new kind of fact, check it out on wiki.


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I don't know if I should laugh at the ridiculousness or cry that some people will actually believe it.

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NOT TO MENTION that now that so many GOPers are refusing the covid vaccine, we are being informed that covid-19 will be with us for many years to come and herd immunity is not going to happen. GOOD JOB GOPers.


I think that is across the board. Don't try to make it sound like it is only Republicans who aren't getting vaccinated. Large segments of the community aren't.


You are at least partially right about that. I've unfortunately seen/heard too many black folks declining the vax as well...

Most say it is because they have a distrust for the medical community given the history.


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All one needs to do is read the things fish posts to see what Republicans have turned into. Not all Republicans, but far too many of them. To those like fish, if you aren't some extremist, anti vaxxer who believes everything isn't some giant conspiracy theory, you're a rino.

Three-quarters of Republicans believe a lie about the 2020 election

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics/2020-election-donald-trump-voter-fraud/index.html

It doesn't matter that it was Republican election officials who certified some of the most contested states. It doesn't matter that their falsehoods have been proven wrong. They now dismiss facts based on "what they feel".

It's an unmitigated disaster.


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The reddest states have the most poorly educated populaces. This not a coincident.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
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All one needs to do is read the things fish posts to see what Republicans have turned into. Not all Republicans, but far too many of them. To those like fish, if you aren't some extremist, anti vaxxer who believes everything isn't some giant conspiracy theory, you're a rino.

Three-quarters of Republicans believe a lie about the 2020 election

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics/2020-election-donald-trump-voter-fraud/index.html

It doesn't matter that it was Republican election officials who certified some of the most contested states. It doesn't matter that their falsehoods have been proven wrong. They now dismiss facts based on "what they feel".

It's an unmitigated disaster.


It's like all thing Trump/GOP these days ... while they talk about Liberals and dismiss them as having emotional responses to topics instead of fact based responses... the reality is it's Trump/GOP and the wild fringes that react with fear mongering / lies / conspiracy theory / emotion .... and zero facts. A lot like the "Big Government" lie. The fiscal responsibility Lie. The Law and Order Lie. In every case it's "listen to what I say my priority is - but don't pay attention to the reality of what I do"


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Fact-Checked on Facebook and Twitter, Conservatives Switch Their Apps

Since the election, millions have migrated to alternative social media and media sites like Parler, Rumble and Newsmax.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/technology/parler-rumble-newsmax.html

It is a place where there is no fact checking and the fringe on the right have migrated to so they can spread lies and conspiracy theories with impunity. The very thing Republicans used to rail against. No accountability.


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Parler, Rumble and Newsmax

I've never even heard of those. smile


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No matter, I think some of you need to pay attention to what is going on now. It's going to be gone if you don't wake up. We have some serious problem brewing with the way things are now being run.

And that was a general reply


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General or otherwise it's the fear tactics you are being programmed to believe.


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Now there's all the scientific study we need! I mean she even has the squeaky toy chiming in... rolleyes

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NOT TO MENTION that now that so many GOPers are refusing the covid vaccine, we are being informed that covid-19 will be with us for many years to come and herd immunity is not going to happen. GOOD JOB GOPers.


I think that is across the board. Don't try to make it sound like it is only Republicans who aren't getting vaccinated. Large segments of the community aren't.


I delivered facts with articles to back them... where are your receipts? Or are you just putting more mud in the water?

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Still waiting for actual stats from a verifiable source.


Still waiting for you to acknowledge the facts...

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Fish may not believe in the same things that you or I do, BUT he is still a good guy with a good heart. Hell we disagree all the time but I know your heart is good bro.


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I've never tried to say otherwise. Hell, I disagree with Peen all the time on here. I think he's a good guy with a great heart. I've never met fish and as such I would never try to judge him as a person.


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