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eotab #1872134 07/23/21 02:05 PM
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So if Hopkins tweaks a knee and tells the team Doc to just shoot it with cortisone so I can go back in and play.. is that so much different?


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So doing nothing to try and prevent it doesn't mean anything in your eyes? Doing everything you can to prevent means nothing to you? I'm glad most people don't think the way you do.

You're obviously beyond reach.


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Vikings' Rick Dennison reportedly out as assistant coach after refusing COVID-19 vaccine

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The best way available to help stop the spread of Covid is the vaccine. That's not misinformation. As of now that's the best thing anyone can do to help stop the spread. Misinformation is when someone tries to say otherwise.


I didn't ask you the best way to stop the spread - although your answer to that unasked question is reasonable.

Doing the "Best you can" is up to the individual...as is doing "enough". No one can define that/those FOR an individual.

"Misinformation" is the new catch-word for disagreement or difference-of-opinion...only weaponized. It's up to the individual to decide if information is useful or not.

IMO...the NFL just made a rule that is even more intrusive than simply mandating that if you want to play in the league, you have to get the shot(s).

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People do have differing opinions on things. The difference is their aren't differing sets of facts.

Employers have the same right to choose who their employees are as their employees have a right to choose whether to get the vaccine or not. Choices have consequences. And I'm pretty sure the NFL's decision will have some consequences for them as well.

Claiming players have rights while claiming the owners have none seems a bit one sided.


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Not only that. The players on the team who had the infection are also docked pay, shot or not.

I wonder what happens if a person vaccinated gets it...that seems to be happening now...who gets docked then?

As I said earlier, I don't think the NFL will know who has had a shot if the player elected to get one away from the team unless the player shares that info.

Nobody else can share it without the players approval.


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BTW, "They" really need to stop calling the shot a vaccine...it's clearly NOT a vaccine...it's a flu shot...we all know it...just say it and move on.


I am not against personal choice, and in many ways agree, but that statement isn't correct.

The flu shot is a vaccine. All vaccines don't last a lifetime.
Maybe some do, but then again, science might be tricked a bit. Possibly the microbe that caused the illness didn't have anywhere to breed and mutate because it couldn't find a host, thus it died out.

But, something like the flu can breed in a pig or some other animal, then jump back to humans in a somewhat different form.

I suppose this man made virus will do much the same and we will be getting shots every year, or at least at some point where science can reasonably predict which variant is going to be making the rounds.

That is why the flu shot each year protects against several variants, but it isn't always spot on, or on at all, leaving some flu seasons very mild, some fairly severe. and others killer when something fairly new breaks out.

Recently, the Swine flu was pretty darn bad because it had some new twists. I remember in maybe the late 60's, early 70's, the Hong Kong flu was a real bad strain that killed millions worldwide..it was a pandemic.


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Why don't some of you guys that appear to be anti vax in this circumstance to out and look up the stats..

The states with high Vax rates are getting fewer cases of Covid..

That should tell the whole story..


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NFL vaccination data update from Dr. Allen Sills:
As of today:
-80 percent of all players have begun vaccination process.
-9 teams at 90 percent or higher.
-5 teams less than 70 percent.

Notable protocol change from the NFL is that players who had a previous confirmed COVID infection will be considered fully vaccinated once they have had one dose.

NFL exec Dawn Aponte said the "no play, no pay" in case of forfeit provision in the 2021 competitive protocols announced yesterday was agreed to with the NFLPA.

Teams had been waiting to find out about roster flexibility rules, and now there's an answer: The 2020 rules will remain in place, with expanded practice squads, easier return from IR. Both sides (teams/NFLPA) were in favor of keeping them.

The NFL and NFLPA are still negotiating on if there will be a threshold at which restrictions could be lifted on a team-wide basis. (In baseball, that number is 85%). Currently, incentives / restrictions are on individual basis only.

https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/1418607602573975560


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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Thursday’s memo from the NFL to all teams regarding 2021 COVID procedures dropped a bombshell on the NFL. Within the release, there were memos on league decisions for those who choose to go unvaccinated, but there were other pieces of information important to the season ahead.

While the key point received was that that games won’t be posted or rescheduled to avoid roster issues caused by injury or illness of players “in light of the substantial roster flexibility in place for the 2021 season," the memo does not specify the substantial roster flexibility and that is key to many training camps approaching next week.

Today there has been some confirmation from the league on the guidelines. There will be a 16-person practice squad with up six of those spots being for veterans--usually unprotected on previous practice squad rules. There will also be the ability to call up one or more of them as late as 90 minutes before kickoff, in order to replace players who suddenly may land on the COVID-reserve list. There will be two active roster call-ups per week, four player protections each week to avoid stealing from other squads, and lastly, the minimum payment will be $9,200 per week.

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The Browns can now map out some of their key roster decisions knowing who can be stashed on the practice squad safely and who will be at risk to be swiped from others across the league if they fail to protect them.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/2021-nfl-practice-squads-168160124/


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Rick Dennison out as Minnesota Vikings assistant after refusing COVID-19 vaccine, sources say

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EAGAN, Minn. -- After refusing to receive a vaccine for COVID-19, Rick Dennison is out as a Minnesota Vikings assistant coach, sources told ESPN on Friday.

Dennison had served as the Vikings' offensive line coach/run game coordinator the past two seasons. In a statement Friday, the Vikings said they were still in discussions with Dennison about the league's COVID-19 protocols.

Another coach in the league, New England Patriots co-offensive line coach Cole Popovich, also won't be with his team in 2021 in a decision related to the COVID-19 vaccine and NFL guidelines, league sources confirmed to ESPN.

The vaccine is required for all Tier 1 staff, including coaches, front-office executives, equipment managers and scouts. Players are not required to receive the COVID-19 vaccine but will face strict protocols during training camp and throughout the season that vaccinated players will be able to forgo.

In a memo released by the league this summer, the NFL said any unvaccinated Tier 1 staff member must provide a valid religious or medical reason for not receiving the vaccine. Losing Tier 1 status prohibits coaches from being on the field and in meeting rooms and having direct interactions with players.

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The Vikings noted in their statement that Dennison does not have a vaccination exemption.

Phil Rauscher has been promoted from assistant offensive line coach to fill Dennison's position, sources told ESPN. The Vikings also hired Ben Steele, who had recently been hired by Auburn as a special teams analyst, to fill the position Rauscher had held since 2019.

Dennison's departure comes at a time of transition for the Vikings' offense, which will be guided by first-year offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak. Kubiak, 34, was promoted to fill the role his father, Gary, held in Minnesota during the 2020 season.

With 27 years of NFL coaching experience, Dennison was considered a vital piece in helping bridge the gap for the younger Kubiak, given his experience calling run plays and knowledge of the scheme the Vikings have used since the 2019 season.

The Vikings were one of the league's prominent running teams in 2020 behind Dalvin Cook, who became the first Minnesota player to rush for at least 1,500 yards and 15 touchdowns in a season. Cook was responsible for 30.5% of the Vikings' scrimmage yards, the second-highest rate in the NFL behind Tennessee's Derrick Henry (33.8), according to ESPN Stats & Information data.

In New England, Popovich coached with the Patriots through the spring, and his on-field presence stood out, in part, as he was one of the only staffers to wear a mask during practice.

Popovich, who is distantly related to longtime San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich but said in September that he has never met him, was set to enter his seventh season with the Patriots. In 2020, he had shared the offensive line duties with longtime former Youngstown State offensive line coach Carmen Bricillo, who is now expected to take on more of a leading role.

The Boston Globe first reported that Popovich wouldn't be coaching with the Patriots in 2021.

Dennison, 63, worked with Gary Kubiak for more than three decades in Denver (1995-2009, 2015-16), Houston (2010-13) and Baltimore (2014). Before joining the Vikings in 2019, Dennison served as offensive line coach/run game coordinator for the New York Jets in 2018.

Rauscher is entering his seventh season as a coach in the NFL after joining the Vikings in 2020. He coached with Dennison on the Broncos staff during the 2015 and 2016 seasons and was Washington's offensive line coach in 2019.

Steele was on several NFL rosters as a tight end from 2001 to 2007, including in Houston under Gary Kubiak. He began working in the NFL in 2013 as an offensive quality control coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a position he held until 2016. Steele was later promoted to tight ends coach for the Buccaneers before moving to the Atlanta Falcons, where he was an offensive assistant in 2019 and tight ends coach in 2020. He was hired by Auburn earlier this year.

The Vikings will hold their first training camp practice Wednesday.

ESPN's Mike Reiss contributed to this report.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3186...ine-sources-say


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NFL exec Dawn Aponte said the "no play, no pay" in case of forfeit provision in the 2021 competitive protocols announced yesterday was agreed to with the NFLPA.


That should put an end to all of this but I bet it doesn't. You'll still have those who feel it should be your personal choice whether to take a much higher risk of helping spread a virus that effects those around you.


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NFL exec Dawn Aponte said the "no play, no pay" in case of forfeit provision in the 2021 competitive protocols announced yesterday was agreed to with the NFLPA.


That should put an end to all of this but I bet it doesn't. You'll still have those who feel it should be your personal choice whether to take a much higher risk of helping spread a virus that effects those around you.


Looks like that made it the "terms of employment"!

But, if they have a legit reason for not wanting to take the Vax, (like maybe a Dr's note explaining why) is there a mechanism to allow them to remained employed?


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You do understand that the flu is much less contagious than Covid and that by wearing masks you greatly reduce the spread of the flu, right?


The flu is less contagious than COVID. 100%

We don't know if the vaccine really works or not because we don't know if there is a covid season.

It sounds to me like it works and other times it does not work.


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Evidence that it does work is that 95% of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated people. Sounds like isn't evidence.


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NFL exec Dawn Aponte said the "no play, no pay" in case of forfeit provision in the 2021 competitive protocols announced yesterday was agreed to with the NFLPA.


That should put an end to all of this but I bet it doesn't. You'll still have those who feel it should be your personal choice whether to take a much higher risk of helping spread a virus that effects those around you.


Looks like that made it the "terms of employment"!

But, if they have a legit reason for not wanting to take the Vax, (like maybe a Dr's note explaining why) is there a mechanism to allow them to remained employed?




Seems I read or heard somewhere that it is. I mean it would have to be. Legit religious reasons would also exempt a employee.


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Wrong, vaccine only gives you a better chance of not dying from covid. Check the news, a number of people have been vaccinated and still caught covid and DIED from it. We are not out of the woods. I live in FLORIDA and our governor opened everything up early AND we lead the nation in covid cases and new deaths.


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Wrong, vaccine only gives you a better chance of not dying from covid. Check the news, a number of people have been vaccinated and still caught covid and DIED from it. We are not out of the woods. I live in FLORIDA and our governor opened everything up early AND we lead the nation in covid cases and new deaths.


I don't think that is the only reason.

I think the biggest reason is the number of tourists and transients that enter the state that causes a good number of the spread.

I won't say majority, but it might be, and there is no real way to track that.


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Freedom of choice cuts both ways.

You can choose to not get vaccinated.

An employer can choose to say don't bother coming to work and getting paid.


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We've been over this time and time again. The vaccine doesn't not prevent you from getting Covid totally. But it most certainly does lessen the chances you will get Covid. Those who have been vaccinated that get Covid are called breakthrough cases.


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I don't think that is the only reason.

I think the biggest reason is the number of tourists and transients that enter the state that causes a good number of the spread.

I won't say majority, but it might be, and there is no real way to track that.


I guess that makes more sense than the fact he's forbidden any place in Florida from having mask mandates or requiring vaccine proof no matter how high the infection or death rate is.


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I don't think that is the only reason.

I think the biggest reason is the number of tourists and transients that enter the state that causes a good number of the spread.

I won't say majority, but it might be, and there is no real way to track that.


I guess that makes more sense than the fact he's forbidden any place in Florida from having mask mandates or requiring vaccine proof no matter how high the infection or death rate is.


Isn't the death rate .3% or so?

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It's sort if a funny thing when people isolate it to "the death rate". Most people who even have healthcare have large deductibles. What would weeks in the ICU cost them? What about just a couple of weeks in the hospital?

Then there are those who it takes weeks and months to ever "get back to normal" and be able to go on with life the same as they did before they had Covid.

But when you refuse to factor in the huge financial burden and loss of quality of life for a long period of time due to Covid, it does sound better.

But hey, at least they didn't die, right?


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Yes, the death rate is low, yet ask those who are dead because they didn't get the shot how they feel about it now. The nurse who listens to desperate people on/going onto incubators-give me the shot. Lastly, the political party which smears the shot, how many of their "leaders" have the shot AND get best medical care available....football, we MIGHT have a full season, but this thing ain't over and glad the NFL has stated LOSSES if you have breakout- each team must decide what's important. JMHO, no question, get the shot.

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Just my 2 cents. Players use steroids, growth hormones and other supplements etc. Let's face it we KNOW those aren't good for you. We don't know the affects of the vaccine right now other than it will help prevent getting the Covid and if you do it will lessen the severity of the symptoms. I'd get the shot if I were the players. JMO

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The first Covid vaccine in America was administered on December 14, 2000. I'd say the impact and side effects are pretty clear after that amount of time.


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I didn't know that. That's a good point.

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This new delta variant is putting young healthy people in the hospital.

https://www.kark.com/news/health/coronav...impact-on-kids/

https://fortune.com/2021/07/08/kids-vulnerable-covid-delta-variant-vaccinated-europe/

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-07-06/what-the-delta-variant-means-for-unvaccinated-kids

I wonder how many kids we will have to bury before people get their heads out of their asses? Everyone should know that by the time a person shows symptoms, it's too late for the vaccine. I can't imagine being a parent and watching my kid be intubated or die because of my stupidity...


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Browns LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah placed on the COVID-19 reserve list

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns second-round linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah was placed on the COVID-19 reserve list Sunday, the club reported.

Owusu-Koramoah reported to training camp on Saturday, and was placed on the list Sunday. It is not yet known if he tested positive or if he was a close contact of someone who did. If he tested positive and he’s unvaccinated, he’ll have to quarantine for 10 days.

The NFL and NFLPA haven’t mandated covid vaccinations for players this season, but have placed heavy restrictions on players who aren’t.

The NFL sent a memo to teams last week informing them that the league won’t reschedule a game outside of the 18-week window if a team has a breakout among unvaccinated players, and that both teams will forfeit that game if it can’t be rescheduled during the season.

What’s more, players from both teams won’t get paid if they forfeit a game.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/07...id-19-list.html

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Just read about JOK.

That sucks. Now have await all factors then length of time will be decided.

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Hopefully he’s not a long hauler. Watching Myles suck wind after his COVID return last year was hard. You could see him struggling. He was taking breathing treatments for months after his ‘recovery’. If JOK gets hit hard he could be paying the price well into the first part of the season.

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Yep, hopefully he's asymptomatic.


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Agreed. Get the vaccine. Why would anyone want to put themselves and others in danger?

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Do we know if JOK was vaccinated? Hopefully it’s a wake up call for others to get it


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He could not only miss part of the season, he could die. Who knows how long he's had covid or if, and wonder how many players were around him....ain't covid great. Hope the team caught this before we lose lots of folks.


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