I understand what you're saying. I think it could be viewed in two different ways. One as you said...
Quote:
we support a lie
Or one could see it this way....
We will do anything and everything to minimize and politically destroy anyone in our party who dares to tell the truth.
There is a third... You know how when you are in a discussion with a Trump supporter and you bring up about Jan 6 for instance? Then the first thing that comes out of their mouths is, "why are you bringing up the past"?
They want us to stop talking about it. They want it to disappear.. Just like lessons on Slavery or the Holocaust.
They want those things to disappear from social studies classes in High School... They essentially want to ban anything that might cast a shadow over them.
"Them" being White Anglo Saxon men. Which as it turns out, I'm one. Italian in fact! I'm just not dumb enough to want cancel history. Even Italian history which, if you look back, wasn't always the best news. Like Siding with Hitler etc.
SO, talk about Cancel culture,, there it is,,
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Fish, I know we've exchanged different political views over time but I just want to say you need to get some help. If you place any credit in a rag tag bunch of untrained amateurs performing a completely non-transparent audit without any training while clearly having a fixed agenda..... And think that you wouldn't be losing your ever living mind if it was a bunch of left-wing fruit cakes doing the same thing in different circumstances?? Or just laughing at them which is what I choose to do.... Then you really do need to seek some help. Simple as that. I'm worried for you.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
It's an attack on democracy because democracy already happened, was challenged in however many lawsuits and came out the other side unscathed. Now they're going outside the democratic system (not unlike the coup attempt) to try to reverse a decision that they don't agree with but has been proven legitimate time and time again.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
I used to characterize politics as being "the elegant art of lying"
We can battle over the reasoning behind trickle down economics, deficit spending, the Laffer curve, tax rates, social support programs and benefits, all day long...
No so much with today's Republicans. They have lost their elegance, lost their art, and lost their moral compass and standards. I was thinking about tossing in a few adjectives, but there is no need to do so.
They lost and can't admit it. So they blame others or eat their own...
You won't get any argument from me there.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
It's an attack on democracy because democracy already happened, was challenged in however many lawsuits and came out the other side unscathed. Now they're going outside the democratic system (not unlike the coup attempt) to try to reverse a decision that they don't agree with but has been proven legitimate time and time again.
It's everything you said ... And it's bat chit crazy and pathetic.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
More than 150 Republicans launch new political movement questioning Trump's role in GOP
A group of more than 150 Republicans, led by Donald Trump critics Evan McMullin and Miles Taylor, announced a new political movement that takes aim at former President Donald Trump's hold on the GOP and calls for a reform of the party.
The effort came hours after Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming was ousted from her Republican leadership position by her colleagues in the House for being outspoken about Trump's lie that the election was stolen from him, once again highlighting the former President's grip on the GOP and the challenge for the group's signers in seeking to reshape the party.
McMullin, who ran for president as an independent in 2016, and Taylor, who famously penned an anonymous book condemning the Trump administration, organized this effort and published a set of principles in the Deseret News on Thursday.
"Enough is enough and we need to offer a commonsense coalition for this country and a more unified alternative vision than what we're seeing from the present GOP, which has now become rotten to its core with its persistent attacks on our democracy," Taylor said on CNN's New Day Wednesday. "So our message is it's time to either reform or repeal the Republican Party."
In the set of principles, the group wrote they would "reimagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation of such an alternative."
"We seek the preservation and betterment of our democratic republic and the endurance of our self-government, free from interference and defended against all enemies, foreign and domestic," they wrote in their statement of principles. "We oppose the employment of fear-mongering, conspiracism, and falsehoods and instead support evidence-based policymaking and honest discourse."
This is not a third party, but a movement, said attorney George Conway, who is the husband of former White House counselor Kellyanne Conway and also part of the group.
"I don't think I would characterize it so much as a third party as a coalition. I don't think a third party necessarily works in the kind of political system we have with a single member districts," he told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Wednesday night. "But there is a need for people who have a conservative to moderate point-of-view and want to believe in the rule of law and they need a place to go and a place where they can organize and support candidates that are consistent with that."
The list of Republicans who signed on includes former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld and former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, as well as 27 former members of the US House of Representatives, including Barbara Comstock, Charlie Dent and Paul Mitchell; and one former senator David Durenberger.
Other members of the group include former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci; former Department of Homeland Security official Elizabeth Neumann; and former DHS general counsel John Mitnick.
Yesterday turned into a compete crapfest with more Republicans trying to re-write the facts. I'm not a big fan of The Huffington Post but people can't deny the words coming out of these peoples mouths.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Trump Calls on Arizona Governor Ducey to Provide Security for 'Patriots' Conducting Election Audit
Former President Donald Trump demanded that Arizona Governor Doug Ducey provide "large-scale security" for the state's Senate Republicans who are carrying out a hand recount of all the 2.1 million ballots from Maricopa County.
Despite election officials already carrying out two audits of the ballots, Trump and Republicans continue to claim without evidence that President Joe Biden's victory by about 10,000 votes in Arizona was fraudulent. GOP state senators in Arizona have enlisted a private Florida-based company to execute the recount. Maricopa County is home to the bulk of Arizona's voters, and Biden carried the county.
"The Republican Party is demanding that Governor Ducey of Arizona immediately provide large-scale security for the brave American Patriots doing the Forensic Audit of the 2020 Presidential Election," Trump said in an early Saturday morning statement. "Governor Ducey will be fully responsible for the safety of those involved. State police or National Guard must immediately be sent out for protection."
The former president said that Democrats "do not want to have this information revealed, and they will do anything to stop it. Governor Ducey must finally act!"
It's unclear what Trump believes Democrats or others would attempt to do that would require police or the National Guard to intervene. Security concerns have been raised about the audit, but these are related to a lack of adequate security for the election equipment and ballots being counted. Democrats have said that Republicans are not doing enough to ensure the equipment and ballots are not compromised.
"I think the fact of the matter is that there have been numerous legitimate audits that have shown that there were no discrepancies," state Senator Rebecca Rios, the leading Democrat in the Arizona Senate, told local news site Arizona Family, part of local CBS News affiliate KTVK 3TV and KPHO 5.
"I don't know how people walk away feeling comfortable about what is going on. We have asked repeatedly, 'What is the plan? What is the plan for security?'" Rios said.
Trump loyalist Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, shared Trump's statement on Saturday, tweeting that "people have every right to demand transparency in elections and every single part of the government!" She added that "if there is nothing to hide, why worry about audits?"
Ducey, a Republican, certified Biden's victory and the election results on November 30, drawing immediate backlash from Trump, who claimed that Ducey had "betrayed the people of Arizona." But Clint Hickman, a Republican who chairs the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, asserted in mid-November that there is "no evidence of fraud or misconduct or malfunction."
Trump and his allies have repeatedly pushed lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election. They have made a range of bizarre claims, saying that Democrats and Biden conspired with foreign nations, such as China and Venezuela, to "rig" or "steal" the election. But they have not provided evidence to substantiate the extraordinary allegations.
Dozens of election challenges across the country brought by Trump and his allies have been rejected or dismissed in state and federal courts. Even judges appointed by Trump and other Republicans have pointed out that lawyers for the former president and his supporters did not provide evidence to support their allegations. Numerous audits and recounts in key battlegrounds states—like Arizona—have reaffirmed Biden's victory.
In mid-November, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency at the Department of Homeland Security released a statement describing the 2020 election as "the most secure in American history." The agency, which was led by a Trump appointee, added that "there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr, who was widely viewed as one of Trump's most loyal Cabinet members, said at the beginning of December that there was "no evidence" of widespread fraud that would change the election's outcome.
'It makes us look like idiots': Arizona state senator disowns widely criticized election recount after seeing it in action
An Arizona state senator described the Maricopa County vote audit as "ridiculous."
Paul Boyer, a Republican, voted in favor of the audit but said the reality was an embarrassment.
Observers have said auditors are working chaotically and appear to be driven by conspiracy theories.
A GOP state senator in Arizona described the controversial vote audit in Maricopa County as "ridiculous" and an embarrassment in an interview with The New York Times on Friday.
Sen. Paul Boyer, a Republican who represents a suburb of Phoenix, told the publication that he initially supported and voted for the audit but that he regretted doing so after seeing how poorly it was being conducted.
"It makes us look like idiots," Boyer said. "Looking back, I didn't think it would be this ridiculous. It's embarrassing to be a state senator at this point."
Republicans in the state Legislature commissioned the audit, saying they were investigating whether the vote was tainted by fraud.
Former President Donald Trump has said the election was stolen from him because of mass fraud, a baseless claim that numerous courts have rejected.
Joe Biden won in Maricopa County and in Arizona, surprising and enraging Republicans who had been banking on the state voting for Trump.
The county and the state also elected a Democrat, Mark Kelly, to the US Senate.
Last week, observers of the audit appointed by Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, a Democrat, described it as sloppy and haphazard.
They said there were no clear procedures to ensure the integrity of the recount or record the result securely and accurately.
They said that the people conducting the audit appeared to be seeking to verify conspiracy theories about mass fraud, using UV lights and other unproven technology to do so.
Hobbs has expressed concern that the audit could be used as a template to undermine other legitimate election results. The US Department of Justice has also objected to the execution of the audit.
The audit is being conducted by Cyber Ninjas, a firm whose founder has expressed support for Trump's election-fraud claims.
The audit has no standing - it's being run by agenda driven amateurs. Like so much that is Cult of Trump - they don't need to find anything, they just need to bang the drum, make a lot of noise and then the mindless will simply parrot. It's propaganda only. "Stop the Steal, Stop the Steal".
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
The audit has no standing - it's being run by agenda driven amateurs. Like so much that is Cult of Trump - they don't need to find anything, they just need to bang the drum, make a lot of noise and then the mindless will simply parrot. It's propaganda only. "Stop the Steal, Stop the Steal".
That about sums it up
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
At this point, if there was a steal, you don't plan something as such without a means to wash it away.
There has been a long enough delay to wash away any evidence.
Alright - I think you have nearly earned yourself a nickname.
Straight question for you - do you believe the election was stolen. A "Yes" or "No" will suffice. I am not looking for proof - I am asking what you believe.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Trump is at it again and just remember, the GOP just ousted Liz Cheney for speaking out about it. Because they said they "need Trump". the decision has been made to back a liar over truth and help perpetuate his lies.....
‘CRIME OF THE CENTURY!’ Trump Goes Ballistic Over Election Again, Bashes Fox News, Newsmax, and Mike Pence as Cowards
In a trio of statements sent out on Saturday, and presumably* posted to his blog, ex-president Donald Trump flipped out some more about the 2020 election, Maricopa County, and Fox News. And bashed Mike Pence, too, while he was at it.
It was practically a compilation album of his favorite tracks.
In the first, emailed at noon on Saturday, Trump kept it short and simple-minded.
As our Country is being destroyed, both inside and out, the Presidential Election of 2020 will go down as THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY!
In the second, Trump goes a bit longer, crediting the Wall Street Journal with “finally” getting something right, in sharing WSJ’s take that 2020 had some of the worst presidential polling in 40 years.
“This was done purposely,” Trump railed. “The polls were a joke. I won States in a landslide that I was predicted to lose days before the election. Other states had me purposely so far down that it would force people, even fans, to say ‘Let’s stay home Darling. We love our President, but he can’t win.'”
He wrote that it is suppression polling, and “should be illegal.”
He also took the opportunity to suggest that Mike Pence a coward again, and called 2020 the “greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country.” (Capitalization in the original.)
Wall Street Journal has reported (they finally got something right), that 2020 was the “Worst Presidential Poll Miss in 40 Years.” The public opinion surveys ahead of the 2020 Presidential Election were the most inaccurate ever, according to a major polling panel. This was done purposely. The polls were a joke. I won States in a landslide that I was predicted to lose days before the election. Other states had me purposely so far down that it would force people, even fans, to say “Let’s stay home Darling. We love our President, but he can’t win.” And then I would win those states or at least come very close. In one state that I actually won, but the results were rigged, ABC and the Washington Post had me down by 17 points. Even the rigged final result was extremely close. It’s called SUPPRESSION POLLING and it should be illegal. These are crooked, disgusting, and very dishonest media outlets and they know exactly what they are doing. The 2020 Presidential Election was, by far, the greatest Election Fraud in the history of our Country. The good news is, the American people get it and the truth is rapidly coming out! Had Mike Pence had the courage to send the Electoral College vote back to states for recertification, and had Mitch McConnell fought for us instead of being the weak and pathetic leader he is, we would right now have a Republican President who would be VETOING the horrific Socialistic Bills that are rapidly going through Congress, including Open Borders, High Taxes, Massive Regulations, and so much else!
In the third statement, Trump highlighted Maricopa County’s election audit and took time to attack Fox News for being “afraid to cover” what he referred to as “the Presidential Election Fraud,” again capitalized for, we assume, branding purposes.
He wasn’t entirely singling out Fox, though. He also bashed Newsmax before giving an OANN elevator pitch. “One America News (OAN), one of the fastest growing networks on television, and the ‘hottest’, is doing a magnificent job of exposing the massive fraud that took place,” he wrote. Not sure what the quotes were for around hottest. “The story is only getting bigger and at some point it will be impossible for the weak and/or corrupt media not to cover. Thank you to OAN and other brave American Patriots.”
The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED! This is illegal and the Arizona State Senate, who is leading the Forensic Audit, is up in arms. Additionally, seals were broken on the boxes that hold the votes, ballots are missing, and worse. Mark Brnovich, the Attorney General of Arizona, will now be forced to look into this unbelievable Election crime. Many Radical Left Democrats and weak Republicans are very worried about the fact that this has been exposed. The DELETION of an entire Database and critical Election files of Maricopa County is unprecedented. Many other States to follow. The Mainstream Media and Radical Left Democrats want to stay as far away as possible from the Presidential Election Fraud, which should be one of the biggest stories of our time. Fox News is afraid to cover it—there is rarely a mention. Likewise, Newsmax has been virtually silent on this subject because they are intimidated by threats of lawsuits. One America News (OAN), one of the fastest growing networks on television, and the “hottest”, is doing a magnificent job of exposing the massive fraud that took place. The story is only getting bigger and at some point it will be impossible for the weak and/or corrupt media not to cover. Thank you to OAN and other brave American Patriots. It is all happening quickly!
It is different from when he was on Twitter because there are no character limits. That’s the only difference.
*(We say “presumably” because his blog was down at the time this story was published.)
Even after this rhetoric invoked the events of January 6th, he continues. An attempt to undermine the election process that this very nation was founded upon. And every time he screams like a little girl they bend over for him. Real Republicans need to take their party back. They've become a laughing stock.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
If it was rigged… which it wasn’t… I want to thank the riggers for tossing that bloated orange turd to the curb. I wouldn’t walk across the street to spit on him if he were on fire.
"Eighty percent of Republicans who'd heard about the vote agree with Cheney's removal — they feel she was off-message, unsupportive of Mr. Trump, and that she's wrong about the 2020 presidential election. To a third of them, and most particularly for those who place the highest importance on loyalty, Cheney's removal also shows "disloyalty will be punished."
It also shows that 67% of Republicans think Biden is an illegitimate president.
Cult of personality ranks higher than honesty.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Tell me you’re in a cult without telling me you’re in a cult.
Next level brainwashing.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
At this point, if there was a steal, you don't plan something as such without a means to wash it away.
There has been a long enough delay to wash away any evidence.
Alright - I think you have nearly earned yourself a nickname.
Straight question for you - do you believe the election was stolen. A "Yes" or "No" will suffice. I am not looking for proof - I am asking what you believe.
It's more complicated than a yes or no. I tend to say no, but in reality, I am not sure.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I used to identify as Republican. It's videos like that which honestly make me genuinely wonder how some of those I used to co-identify with can still keep carrying the banner.
How can one not see the crazy?
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
At this point, if there was a steal, you don't plan something as such without a means to wash it away.
There has been a long enough delay to wash away any evidence.
Alright - I think you have nearly earned yourself a nickname.
Straight question for you - do you believe the election was stolen. A "Yes" or "No" will suffice. I am not looking for proof - I am asking what you believe.
It's more complicated than a yes or no. I tend to say no, but in reality, I am not sure.
There is NOTHING... NOT ONE THING that anyone can point to that wasn't fully investigated that proves that Trump won...
No, Nobody trucked in Ballots from Canada to Philly... NOT TRUE.
Nobody Faked ballots in Pittsburgh....
Arizona Republicans are thinking the entire world thinks they are nuts for doing this investigation by a Pro Trump, Right Wing group that has NO experience in such audits... And now they want to go door to door to check voters out? That sounds a lot more like intimidation they auditing.
Yet, you aren't sure. You can't name one thing that hasn't been investigated that shows there was a STEAL....
Republicans eat their own when they don't agree with Trump...
Its sad to see my old party turn into a bunch of fools...
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Man this Republican on Republican violence is getting out of control!!!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
She isn't the only Republican saying this. Those with common sense fully understand this is no less than a political circus and it makes them all look like fools.......
GOP-dominated Arizona board of supervisors call for end to election audit
By Adam Brewster
May 17, 2021 / 9:29 PM / CBS News
The Republican-dominated Maricopa County Board of Supervisors on Monday called for an end to the audit of the election results. The Republican-led Arizona state Senate has ordered a full hand recount and audit of the ballots and voting machines in Maricopa County, the state's most populous county, despite that it will not change the outcome of the presidential election.
They also unanimously agreed to send a forceful response to claims made last week by Arizona's Republican Senate President Karen Fann, who wrote to the board of supervisors last week alleging the county was not complying with legislative subpoenas, didn't properly secure the chain of custody of ballots and deleted data.
"It's time to end this. For the good of the Senate, for the good of the Country and for the good of the Democratic institutions that define us as Americans," the supervisors and other elected officials said in a letter to Fann.
Fann's letter drew the attention of former President Trump, who blasted it out through his Save America PAC and called Fann's claims "devastating."
Despite prior multiple state audits that found no issues of concern in the 2020 election, the GOP-controlled Arizona Senate ordered another review, taking possession of Maricopa County's nearly 2.1 million ballots and almost 400 election machines by subpoena earlier this year. The audit is being run by companies that include one whose CEO promoted debunked election fraud theories.
Maricopa County recorder Stephen Richer, a Republican who was elected in 2020 and now leads the elections department, responded to Fann's claims at a Board of Supervisors' special meeting on Monday. He said there are some "good people" involved in the audit, but placed much of the blame on Cyber Ninjas, the firm coordinating the review of ballots.
"They are led by the Cyber Ninjas, a company nobody has ever heard of with a CEO who has indulged even the craziest election conspiracy theories," Richer said. "Cyber Ninjas has zero election experience prior to this year, and they are joined by other companies with zero election experience prior to this year."
Richer shot down Fann's claim that Maricopa County has "refused to provide passwords." He said that the county has provided all passwords in its possession. Richer also reiterated that the county would not be giving over additional routers because it would cost $6 million and pose a security risk for law enforcement officers.
"All of this risk seems grossly disproportionate to a benefit that has yet to be defined by the Cyber Ninjas," Richer said. "The county will not give over the routers."
Richer asserted that Maricopa County did establish a chain of custody for ballots. He referenced a letter signed by Ken Bennett, the Senate's audit liaison, approved the chain of custody and said the ballots were safely transferred. Fann's letter said that bags of ballots were not sealed, but Richer noted the boxes that held those bags were sealed.
Richer also passionately denied an allegation that the county deleted some election data. That claim was amplified by the Audit's Twitter account and repeated by Mr. Trump.
"Every file the Senate has asked for is there," Richer said. "No files from the 2020 election have been deleted. We deleted zero - zero election files."
Fann's letter last week claimed that there were a "significant number of instances" where the the number of ballots in batch differed from the number detailed on a slip accompanying the ballots. The response from Maricopa County on Monday said "it is obvious that your contractors have no understanding" of how this process works. It said some of the "discrepancies" identified by Fann were not discrepancies, "but rather accurately reflected" the process for duplicating damaged ballots.
Jack Sellers, the Republican chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, questioned why Cyber Ninjas "can't even find files that were already given to them by Maricopa county."
"We wouldn't be asked to do this on-the-job training if qualified auditors had been hired to do this work," Sellers said. At the end of Monday's meeting he asserted that he "will not be responding to any more requests from this sham process."
"Finish what you're calling an audit and be ready to defend your report in a court of law," he said.
CBS News reached out to Fann's office and she was unable to comment at this time. She is expected to respond at a meeting on Tuesday afternoon. A firm representing Cyber Ninjas hasn't responded to a request for comment.
Doug Logan, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, previously said in a statement, "Cyber Ninjas is the coordinating firm of four companies conducting components of the audit" and added, "each member of our team has been part of election audits, including Cyber Ninjas, which was part of election audits in Michigan and in Georgia." Officials in those states told CBS News that Cyber Ninjas wasn't involved in any of the audits carried out by election officials.
The audit was paused on Friday because the venue hosting the audit has high school graduations scheduled this week. About 25% of the ballots have been reviewed so far.
Someone should tell the County Board that it's more complicated than that.... throw in some "maybes" and "it's not impossible" ... keep that money flowing from the stupid and keep fanning the flames of hate and division.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
What's out of control is that they're making up new things to test on the ballots AFTER Biden has given his '100 days in office' summary.
I'll say the same thing I said before... I'm no Democrat, but if burning down the Republican party is what it's going to take to purge this element that has 1 (if not both) hands on the wheel of the party, then so be it. It'll be rough for a while with Dems basically being the only show in town, but in the long run we (Conservatives as well as the greater citizen population) will be better off.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
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