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Delpit and Greedy? Wonder what those 2 participation levels are like.

Man, it is GOOD to be seeing those names showing up. Lots of guys getting the message that they need to get in there and get to work, and I love that Myles is setting the example and tone.

Remember when Herschel Walker took up Ballet.. He swore by it.

There is a great deal of truth to what you say about this Peen.

I'm not at all sure some teams don't incorporate this into the training program.

I do remember Walker and ballet now that you mention it.

I couldn't say about other teams. I am pretty sure we haven't. I know the guys stretch, but sometimes I get the impression it is half assed effort. Kind of like you and I did in Gym class before playing volleyball or something.

Not only does yoga stretch the body, it also builds strength of body and mind.

I know if I owned a team or was a head coach, I would insist on it as a equal part of the strength and conditioning program. If not equal, at least a big percentage of the conditioning effort.

Strength is great, and necessary, but if you don't have a equal range of motion in comparison to that strength, you are going to have problems like we have seen.

Curling great weight is great and looks good on the beach, but if you can't straighten out your arms without ripping muscle or tendons from the bone, you have problems.

I think that ballet would help with flexibility and balance. (as well as being a way to meet women)

Yoga is a bit more popular than ballet.

Lynn Swann was also a ballet proponent.

I remember hearing that as a kid... the first time I ever heard the reference.

There's a video snippet from Bob Wylie and he gives his ENTIRE opinion on stretching.

Rule #1 is that you Warm Up beforehand and stretch afterwards.

NEVER stretch cold muscles. You do warm-ups and get the blood flowing before a workout/event.
Flexibility and mobility work take place after your workout, and should generally target the muscles you just got done working the crap out of.

j/c...

j/c

I do not understand why the offensive starters aren't attending this OTA...I know it's voluntary...they are working out together anyway...I think it's complete BS.

It doesn't sound like you do.

Maybe the players want to also treat it as a bit of vacation time. OTA's are only a few hours a day. In looking at the vids posted, it doesn't look all that intensive to me. Those guys could be doing that anywhere. I am not sure if there are some restrictions on what coaches can do or can't do during this process.

I am not sure where some of the O guys are meeting, but after their session, I am sure it is a little nicer than being in Berea, Ohio.

With all of the changes on D, it is probably more important for the D to have a large turn out. Team building is more important for them than back pedaling a few yards and breaking one way or another.

It probably has something to do with JC Tretter being the NFLPA president. I'm guessing more offensive veterans would be there if JC wasn't in the position he is in. I'm don't care one way or the other, but I think this is a factor for some players.

When you think about Stefanksi's words regarding the rookie camp and how those guys were getting all of that 1-on-1 time with coaches, I'm good with it. Let the offense skip a week and let the Defense get all the attention from the entire staff for a week and get all of the new guys settled in.

We don't have that many new guys on offense, but most of the defense is new. In my opinion, the ones that need to be there most, are there.

It's still BS.

OTA = Organized TEAM activities. Not...hey...forget about the team and the coaches...let's get together (and together boycott the OTAs) and meet somewhere "cooler" than Berea...and do our own thing.

If a guy chooses to not go...for whatever reason...then so be it. If a group gets together to collectively boycott a TEAM activity...and then gets together to workout on their own...at or near the same time as OTAs...that is BS.

This is just a lost chance at getting better...for no good reason.

I think some of the things we did last year had some surprising results, and players want to take advantage of that. Offense is largely unchanged from last year, and with how effectively people were able to go about pre-season last year, I see no reason why the offense can't take what they're doing online and stay home a little while longer. I think the guys that do show up are actually a little appreciative (the new Oline guy getting tons of 1-1 time with Callahan, for example).

There might be some gamemanship going on between the NFLPA and NFL via Tretter, but at the end of the day, the CBA was signed and these workouts are voluntary. Both of those points are pretty black-and-white.

I think you are spot on there.

Again, I don't care if a guy misses the voluntary OTA or even why he does...but...I despise the group collectively deciding to boycott something that is intended for the TEAM to get better. Very disappointing.

I just don't see it as a boycott. The guys are working out together. I don't see this as an issue to beef about.


Do you think we should cut them?

I like and understand the points above about the 'additional' 1-on-1 time being good for the young guys...and the point about how the offense is largely unchanged...and that the thing is voluntary...those are very good/valid points.

Where I get twisted, is that the offense this year will have OBJ and Schwartz where we did not have them last year. I think that's a very big deal. Wills is no longer a rookie...RG is not the question-mark that it was at this time last year...Conklin is not new to the team. There WAS a chance here to get in some work with some 'knowns' rather than the 'unknowns' of the past years...to build on what we'd like to do now that we know what we've got to deal with.

Harris could use the reps at C that he couldn't get last year at this time...Forbes wasn't here last year...neither was Hance. Dunn was an afterthought.

An elusive 'benefit of continuity' just lost a few precious days with the coaches. The boycott-clan isn't sitting at home with their new brides or babies...they are STILL getting together to workout. Why not do that with the team?

Yep...cut them all...and move the team to Canada.

Preface: I'm NOT arguing that them working out away from Berea is as effective as working out together with the coaches.

What I am arguing is that last year showed you can get away with doing certain activities from your home/online. Many/most of the activities they're doing during OTAs would fall into that bucket.

OBJ is finishing up rehab. That was his goal for the offseason, and it looks like he'll accomplish that. Wanting him to also improve timing with Baker is being greedy (for lack of a better phrase). Schwartz probably isn't going to see much gametime this season. I would imagine he's getting more out of the increased attention/focus from coaches right now than having QB1 chucking the balls.


Lastly, we've all recently seen one of the benefits of staying away. A Browns person or player just tested positive for the 'rona, and there are still quarantine measures in effect.


add: I am a little surprised that Forbes wasn't there extra early waiting for the doors to open. He sat out and Teller came in and proved to be a phenom. Forbes dropped way down the depth chart.

Not sure I agree with this, the "getting away" with doing certain things, but I understand your point. However, all teams were playing with the same hand as facilities were closed across the league. Those who were more innovative and efficient working remotely probably did better than others. Or some got lucky by talent. It was only one year of this-- small sample size.

Now that facilities are open and players have unfettered access to team amenities, I'm not sure how much staying away is all that valuable. But I'm not stressing over it.

Well you know how it is. If players live up to their contract without throwing in freebees, they're a POS. The millionaires should be charitable to the billionaires.

It didn't actually say they were working out together, it just said they were working out away from the facility. If some are working together, it would be interesting to see who's with the group and who's doing it on their own.

It was reported that Baker and some of his passcatchers were working together, and the Oline had conducted workouts together. Don't remember the timing, though.

FYI

I read somewhere today that Forbes is at OTAs...same goes for Dunn, Hance, Harris +?

I believe it was yesterday's report that basically covered it: most of the new guys, all of the guys on tryout contracts (Malik McDowell, etc..), and all of the guys that opted out last year, are in Berea for OTA's. It didn't quite word it that way as it listed them individually by name, but I didn't note anyone missing from those groups.

Basically, everyone that will 1000% be having to EARN, and FIGHT FOR, their roster spot is in Berea. Plus Myles. I don't think Clowney is there, though.

I think the league players have a real chance to gain useful results in the fight against oppression.

The all zoom no contact offseason of 2020 proved to be just as beneficial preparing teams for games as any previous years, and injuries, both contact and non-contact were noticabaly less.

The NFLPA, and NFL should come to an agreement on a standardized much less lengthy off-season schedule of programs,
of which, OTA's are about the least significant, except for rookies.

There should be scheduled weeks in a year, where the Teams are not allowed to have players in facilities imo.

The offensive players are attending all the Zoom meetings.

GC.

This is big https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-likel...ce-squads-in-20

NFL.com, NFL is likely to keep in place expanded modified IR rules and the 16 man practice squad.

It means that when I hear a Titans podcast telling me they will keep the allowance of 4 players to be protected on the Practice Squad in accordance with the covid rules of 202O they are probably correct and not in error.

What that would mean and why it is big, is because, how I figure it, even without ""stashing"" anyone on IR, the roster cut down would only effectively have to be to about 59 players, not 53.

Again what it is, is a story that the NFL will likely keep the rules allowing teams/players that go on Injured Reserved, to return after 3 weeks instead of 8 weeks during the season,
(without taking up a roster spot)
and allow an unlimited, (Unlimited < great word) number of times a team can do this, instead of the previous 3.

(15 years ago, they weren't allowed to do this at all. I think, once on IR they were done for the year, and so there was pressure to not IR players but PuP, (physically unable to perform list) players instead, and thus pressure from teams for players to play injured which was anti-beneficial for all; eventually)

... Why do I get 59 players.

If the titans podcast is correct the PS would allow 4 players to be protected from poaching to another teams roster in any given week,
That's 4 healthy players on the PS, that can't be poached, above the 53 team roster.

And the 3 weeks on IR, rotationally can be used, would be used, to add or subtract 2 players in most given weeks,

If anyone looks back 20 years week by week, during the NFL season, everyone knows the injury report, there is never a week where teams don't have at least 2 players as doubtful, several as questionable,
it just happens and it always happens, it's like 99.9---- percent of the time, so that,

It's big because players like JoJo Natson, D'Ernest Johnson,
If they can keep 59 players instead of 53

That just because someone is not on the roster that week, doesn't mean they won't be in a month, and other NFL teams can't take them from your PS because you protected them.
Just look at the 2020 season for reference.

This is a big deal, this story is coming from NFL.com, With Richard Lecounte, or Brian Allen, or Tony Fields, or Malik McDowell, or Several Offensive Linemen, or Mack Wilson, or JoJo Natson, D'Ernest Johnson, or MJ Stewart, or Mack Wilson, or Malcolm Smith,

If you can keep 4 on the PS protected, and rotate without losing a spot, 1 or two from IR or to IR, then this team has a lot of options. Connor Davis, Stephen Carlson.

Even the UDFA's

It'll be interesting to see if the Offense shows up next week.

Could this be part of the agreement the team made a couple weeks ago?

Remember when we used to say that during the regular season?

Pepperidge Farm remembers....