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Problem is, this isn't true supply and demand.

This is people getting paid without working, demanding products that aren't being made because not enough people are working to meet the demand.

Mmmmm hmmm. That program has been stopped in some states. Including Tennessee. You may wish to ask employers around here how that's working out.

I'm not saying it isn't one of the reasons, but there are others and this story you and others are making up isn't going to solve the problem. Certainly at least not right away.

Sadly, I'm not making it up.

Like I said, it is one of the reasons. There are others.

Let's just look at wages. A lot of employers are looking for workers. Do you know who will find employees last? Those paying the least which would be a lot of the service industry which pays low wages.

Why would people take a worse paying job when they can get a better paying job?

I never said you were making it up. I said you act as if that's the one size fits all answer when it's not.

j/c:

Right out of the communist toolbox.

I wonder why it is that when Jesus speaks of helping those less fortunate and healing the poor it's called Christianity but when others say the same thing it's called communism?

You do realize that using the same playbook Hitler used about a stolen election causing an insurrection is spreading fascism, right? But that doesn't seem to bother you. It seems to bother you more when people try and prevent that.

I'm not touching that term with a ten foot pole, as that might rival OCD's hyperbole trophy for this month. But I'd be lying if I said I think this isn't potentially damaging.

"Partnerships" between government and select private companies like Facebook and Twitter, which have now become the MAIN avenue in which news/"journalism" is disbursed immediately, thus possibly controlling a particular narrative, and might subsequently remove dissenting opinion is not an idea situation.

This "misinformation" movement is such a joke. (1) Some immediate claims of misinformation have been proved wrong as we've seen that recently, and (2) if not, "misinformation" should be identified, discussed, debated, and ultimately determined to be just that-- wrong and shown why it is wrong- not just cancelled. We certainly have the social platforms to get that message off if so.

This is very dangerous territory, IMO.

First, the "misinformation movement (whatever that is)" is seriously mislabeled; it should be Trumpian republicans outright lying about the election, the 6th, the fascism, and the covid vaccines. And yes I think there should be consequences for those like Trump who abuse their public trust and try to pull the crap he has, severe consequences.

As for banning them from media platforms across the board, that will never happen and would not be right because I AGREE that all sides deserve to be heard with the caveat that facts and truth are important and necessary. For instance, you can't even try to talk sense to the percentage of Trumpians who buy into the Big lie, Q, or many of Trump's other lies. They are so brainwashed that the libs are out to get them that by the time we do reach out to them, they automatically dismiss what we say as socialist/communist propaganda. I mean poor peen sees communists everywhere like bogeymen.

BUT the REAL issue here is stopping this damn push toward fascism, white supremacy, and autocracy from the far right that has taken the GOP by storm. I mean where I'm from you put your own dogs on a leash, but apparently there are no adults left on the right to do that so it's up to the left. That's why you hear things lie this being floated. If republicans would show the slightest interest in governing for all the people and get back to the business of solid policy instead of handouts to the rich and corps, maybe we could all come together again post Trump...

And that's another rub, I would love to never mention his name again but until somebody shuts this Trumpian crapfest down WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME. Trust me, I despise the man and just want him gone from the world stage. He can do and say whatever he wants once the GOPers stop trying to get him re-elected. Until then he is a threat to this country on more than one level, and I as well as many like me will DIE on this hill of stopping the fascism and autocrat from coming to power AT ALL COSTS!

See a Nazi, punch a nazi... we are all ANTIFA.

Then call out the administration. They're labeling it "misinformation" every chance they get.




It already has happened. So for someone complaining about fascism, you might want to be up to speed in this regard.



Lolz. You are no better than the far-right nut jobs.

What is this "partnership" between Facebook and Twitter with our government are you speaking of?

You do realize the vast amount of "misinformation" you're speaking of has already been proven to be lies, right?

Bruh, he reads Any Ngo.

So dozens of former intel officials didn't say this?

This is why we don't take libertarians seriously. They are detached from reality by nature.

j/c:

Straight from the toolbox.

5 Famous Coups

Starting with Napoleon, meet five leaders who initiated coups d’état to rise to the top.

https://www.history.com/news/5-famous-coups

Stright from the toolbox.

Kinda of a common thread in there. Military men turned on country.

It's a really good thing that we had General Milley or the outcome could have been the end of America

LOl....good gosh.


You need to worry about what happens when states start pulling away from the communist policies of our government. That's what you need to worry about.

They already pulled away from the fascist policies of trump and his kind in 2020. But some people still refuse to get the message.

Can you please name some of these communist policies to which yuo refer? Thank you.

He has nothing. Archie Bunker-ish remarks is all he has.

Liz Peek: Calling Reagan 2.0 – Biden, Dems' radical policies wrong for US. Here's how we get back on track
Liz Peek 2 hrs ago


America needs another Ronald Reagan.

In the 1980 presidential election, Republican Ronald Reagan crushed Democrat Jimmy Carter, winning 489 Electoral College votes to the incumbent’s 49. Many factors led to the landslide victory: soaring inflation, out-of-control welfare rolls, rising crime and bruising setbacks at the hands of our foreign adversaries.

Above all, voters believed the country was moving in the wrong direction. Sound familiar?

LIZ PEEK: BIDEN'S JIMMY CARTER CONNECTION – HERE, ALREADY, IS WHERE THEIR POLICIES ARE ALARMINGLY SIMILAR

Here we are again, a mere six months into Joe Biden’s presidency. Optimism is falling, with consumer sentiment in July plunging to a five-month low, despite an economy that is recovering rapidly. Further, Gallup polling shows only 35% of those surveyed "satisfied" with the direction of the country, above the all-time low of 11% scored under Barack Obama but, compared to 45% before the pandemic hit, nowhere near where it should be.

Why are Americans gloomy? Consider:



*Saturday night, baseball fans in Washington, D.C., enjoying America’s favorite pastime were sent diving under seats and into dugouts as gunfire broke out near Nationals Park, injuring three people. Earlier in the day, D.C. police released video of a drive-by shooting in the city that killed a 6-year-old girl and wounded five others.

*Anthony Blinken, U.S. secretary of state, has invited investigators from one of the world’s most corrupt organizations, the U.N. Human Rights Council, to assess whether our country is racist. The inevitably biased report from the secretive group, which includes rights abusers China, Russia and Cuba among its members, will hand our adversaries a propaganda win of immeasurable value.

*Biden’s White House is colluding with Facebook to take down content that argues against vaccination to stamp out "misinformation." This unholy alliance between Big Tech and Biden’s Democrats, so effective at suppressing negative stories about candidate Biden during the election, is now out in the open.

*The Biden administration is surreptitiously shipping tens of thousands of undocumented people to cities and towns across our country, even though a high proportion are likely infected with COVID-19, even as the White House threatens to go "door to door" to strong-arm Americans into taking the vaccine.

*Democrats are pushing to enact a massive $3.5 trillion budget bill with zero GOP votes that would provide significant funds for people in the country illegally and establish permanent new child care and senior care welfare programs. The bill is a massive handout to Democrat special interest groups like the teachers unions and the SEIU, and would push government debt to unheard-of levels.

*For the first time in decades, the Cuban people in large numbers are rising up against a despotic regime, demanding freedom; Biden dithers, an American president afraid to voice his support for democracy and freedom.

*Under cover of climate change, the Biden White House is pushing policies that will destroy one of our country’s greatest competitive advantages – bounteous cheap energy. Curbing leasing for new oil and gas development, refusing to build pipelines and providing huge subsidies for costly renewable fuels will mean higher electricity costs down the road and slower growth.

*Inflation is accelerating and is now above 5%. Consumers are alarmed, but Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell is not.

No wonder Americans are on edge.

Many of us do not recognize our own country. The core values that have served the United States brilliantly for more than 200 years – individualism and self-reliance among them – are being abandoned in favor of an expanding welfare state. Our elected leaders appear eager to undermine our nation’s competitiveness and security – and seem indifferent to the freedoms so essential to our success.

According to Gallup, Americans’ trust in our institutions is declining. Confidence in public schools dropped substantially over the past year, along with faith in TV news and newspapers, already at a low level. Of 16 institutions rated, only the police scored an uptick in confidence; people know they have been duped.

Republicans have probably overused the "socialist" label to criticize Democrats’ initiatives in the past, but the charge is becoming more appropriate every day. Total government spending last year as a portion of our economy totaled 44% of GDP, the highest since World War II. That begins to rival the outlays of some nations considered "socialist"; the portion in Sweden for instance, before COVID, was 49%.

Democrats will claim their spending boom is justified by the economic damage done by the pandemic; indeed, the bipartisan bills passed in Congress totaled nearly $3 trillion last year, and helped our country weather the COVID storm.

But the Biden White House cannot justify the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan passed with only Democrat votes just a few months ago, even as the economy was already growing at 6%. Nor can they justify an additional $3.5 trillion in spending, which will surely further spur inflation.

Democrats are proudly trying to "transform" our country. They want to give out even more welfare programs, free college, free child care and free senior care. They want to fund all this by raising taxes on the wealthy, to make them pay "their fair share," even as the top 1% of earners pay 40% of all income taxes, the highest since 1980, and "six out of 10 households receive more in direct government benefits than they pay in all federal taxes," according to the Tax Foundation.



Democrats want to push our nation further along the road to a managed economy, reducing the incentives to work, crushing productivity and the kind of success and growth that has elevated the United States above its European rivals. We cannot let that happen.

Beginning in 1981, Ronald Reagan bent the curve of damaging liberal policies and put the nation back on track. We need another Ronald Reagan.

*****

There you go. Some of the reasons.

So, now lets turn this in to a Ronald Regan debate...lol

Here..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/cal...4?ocid=msedgntp


I call it buying votes. You get the government cheese over here.

Those others actually want you to work for your money...how could they!

Oh for cryin out loud,, will you stop with the communist crap,..

It's the new conservative tag line... If you don't like it you label it communist.

Yet. your feckless leader embraced Putin... Explain that..

The people that support your feckless leader walk around carrying Nazi Flags.. Hows that work for you..

Elections (fair and legit) work well. :-p

They called social security communism. They called minimum wage communism.

Every time policies come along that help all Americans they call it communism.

Healing the sick? They call it communism.

Feeding the poor? They call it communism.

It's an odd thing how when Jesus tells them in the Bible to do for those less fortunate they call it Christianity. When a politician calls for the same thing they call it communism. They've exchanged it for the word they used to use. Socialism.

They're too blind to understand that according to their standards Jesus was a socialist too.

And Peen mentioned Ronald Reagan. That's an odd thing for Republicans to be doing. If Ronald Reagan was an active Republican politician today they would be calling him a RINO.

Reagan would be primaried into extinction by a Matt Gaetz type, never to be heard from again.

I'll take the bait on Reagan. What he did was turn our country from being the biggest creditor to the biggest debtor. I don't think we really have that tool in our toolbox anymore. We're still feeling the effects of it when we look at our bloated spending and deficit. That is a true pillar of conservativism - in its original sense - that he dashed against the rocks. I'll leave it at that.

You've been on a roll with the communism comments lately, so much that I've been looking for Nikita Kruschev to be slamming his shoe on a table at the end of my driveway when I wake up every morning (busting your chops there).

It's not communism, though. I think that implies one sidedness. It's bilateral right now, and it's based on cancelation. Both extremes are crying to censor the other side in politics, in social culture, fiscally, and across the board.

The mantra now is that - if someone says something that you disagree with - to be offended, band together with others you agree with, and attempt to either cancel the "offender" or box them in to a group to be wholeheartedly dismissed or ignored. It happens prominently in the margins of the spectrum, but it's creeping inward more.

To me, it's a sign of the elite, in Washington, media, celebrities, etc. that are trying to maintain their control over whichever section of the public that they influence through fear and anger. In order to do that perpetually though, the fear and anger rhetoric has to keep ramping up.
We're starting to get to a point - like January 6th along with the various rioting - where the rhetoric has gotten so bad, that the dogs are coming off the leashes.

"Ronald Reagan is a California RINO! He governs a radical left state who let the likes of Nancy Pelosi come into power! His only goal is to take your hard-earned tax dollars and spend them into oblivion, just like the radical, socialist left!"

Maybe,, but think about it,, I'd take another Reagan over anything resembling Trump.

Reagan would NEVER have stood for someone trying to break into the capital.. NEVER.. He would never coddle any group carrying the Nazi Flag...NEVER. He NEVER would have incited a riot the type that Trump did...

I think Clem's point is that those stances wouldn't play in a Republican primary. It's a fair argument (IMO) when you consider what happened to Liz Cheney and why.

this is brilliant.
so on-point.

When I said turn it in to a Reagan debate, I figured that is what people would focus on and not the points of the article.

Carry on

Yes, the very first, brief point that I made in my post had to do with Reagan, where I admitted that I "took the bait" up front when you talked about someone making this about Reagan. Honestly, though, Peen, the article says up front that we need another Ronald Reagan.

Beyond that, it's very slanted. Tell you what, though, I'll talk about the article:

I disagree with what Blinken is doing, but just objectively look at the wording of that article and tell me that it's objective.

The phrase "collusion" between the USG and Facebook was a notion raised by Josh Hawley in his letter. Do we really need to have an in-depth conversation on the disingenuous nature of a person like Josh Hawley?

The article didn't point out what else Psaki said in that briefing, which was:

"We don't take anything down. We don't block anything, Facebook, and any private sector company makes decisions about what information should be on their platform. Our point is that there is information that is leading to people not taking the vaccine," Psaki said.

If there's allegations of collusion (which seems quite hypocritical for Hawley to search out), then how do you explain the notion that the administration is actually working with social media platforms to tell them what is or is not true from the administration's standpoint. For instance, if someone posts on Facebook that the Biden administration is using the vaccine to microchip the population, can the administration not reach out to Facebook and say "We're not doing that" preemptively?

Here's another one:

"*Democrats are pushing to enact a massive $3.5 trillion budget bill with zero GOP votes that would provide significant funds for people in the country illegally and establish permanent new child care and senior care welfare programs. The bill is a massive handout to Democrat special interest groups like the teachers unions and the SEIU, and would push government debt to unheard-of levels."

I don't like Government spending either. I'm a traditional conservative when it comes to actually having a deficit-free budget. However, let's not pretend for a minute here that Reagan, or Trump or whichever Modern Conservative actually stands up for that anymore. Look at the budget that was passed when Trump and McConnell were in office. Look at the deficit that caused. There were handouts, too. Handouts to the defense contractors that I work across the table from. There is definitely no "holier than thou" when it comes to Republicans and the budget.

I could go on and on about that article, but I'll stop there.

You can snidely allude to the fact that I missed the point of you posting that article, but then you turn around and only focus on my first sentence in that post.

I've addressed more of the points in that article now, but...

"Carry on."

Any info on, when Trump was president and said there would be a vaccine by the end of the year, and dem's said they wouldn't take it because it wouldn't have been proven to be effective? That it was just a ploy to get votes?

You have any info on that? Or, do libs/dems forget stuff that they don't want to remember? Asking for a friend.

You know I appreciate your point of view, Arch, and I think you're a good dude, so I have to admit I'm a little perturbed with what I at least perceive to be the tone of your post.

I'm not a Liberal or a Democrat. I have very fundamental differences with that party as well. I've gotten into it on this board with a bunch of people who regularly take that side of the equation. One of whom actually appears to no longer post on this board after I got into it with him.

To answer your question, though, my recollection of that scenario you mention is what I remember from Kamala Harris during the debate. I think she was asked if a vaccine became available, would she take it, and she said something along the lines of "If the doctors tell me it's safe to take, then I'll take it, but if it's just the administration telling me to take it, then I won't." I don't recall another scenario. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

As far as what Harris says, I can't find a flaw with that logic. For the record, I am no huge fan of Harris, and I'm especially concerned with the reports that are coming out of her staff lately.