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Hope you dont drown in tears.

Okay blue, just hold your breath until that happens.

Donald J. Trump will never again sit in the oval, you can bet on that. Unlike the factless right, 81 PLUS million voters have already settled that crapfest and there is ZERO chance they will let him back in.

I would have agreed with you but Biden is crapping the bed. Its clear he is not competant and that his handlers keep trying to hide it.

Biden being competent has little to do with Trump never getting back in... He could be a vegetable on life support and the majority would still choose him over the healthier Trump who just leads like a vegetable on life support.

Dont delude yourself. He is still very popular.

Dog crap is still very popular with blowflies, too.
Neither is welcome at my cookouts.

Friends and fam enjoy my briskets, you are welcome to my dog's biscuits.

See, the thing is, Biden is a very weak president.

He is putting his head in the sand about the county's issues.

And libtards are doing the same.

Enough people will be fed up about it. You can deny it if you like, but it doesnt change the truth.

Supper's ready.
Call all your friends.

KoKo left this in the neighbor's yard (good grrrl).

This way, y'all can dine on Trump-style dump, while we enjoy our civilized July 4th backyard feast, pest-free.

Classy. Doesnt suprise me that this is all you got.

LMFAO The right's important issues... CRT, The Steal, Voter Suppression, Hunter Biden, The Border, taxes, and Hillary's emails. Why should Biden care about what they want? When the adults from the right get back to the table then we can talk about the right's wishlist.

And you throw libtards around like it's your job... but what else can a tiny magatard do?

Thats nice that you think that. Pat pat. But you live a deluded existance. Nobody cares what libtards think. The election was decided by the independents and all they see is Bidens failures to deal with any issues.

When one blinds themselves they do not see. They only "feel". Feelings mean nothing. People watched Trump for four years. They listened to his hate for four years. They will take no more of it.

Truthfully, first time I remember hearing that song was when my son was in the marching band in h.s. Then I started listening to Ozzy sing it.

Covid.

We had/have covid 19, then there was/is a second variant, then we had/have the Delta variant, and now? The lambda variant. Just get through the damn alphabet already.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lambda-virus-variant-worrying-scientists-161932107.html

Credit where credit is due Eve - you talk chit with the best of them. Of course there is never - and I mean never - any substance. But full credit for spreading hate and derision with each post.

By the way I don't know how old you are but "Libtards" is a truly obnoxious word. I don't take offense because I don't take anything you write regards "politics" seriously (who could?) - but I hope no-one reading has a retard in the family and sees you using a play on the word intended to be an insult.

You sound very bitter with your hate. I dont feel like arguing with the mental health libtard crowd tonight, because my man was just here. So, have fun being bitter by yourself.

It amazes me how liberals can take offense to one word, yet in the next post they are just as offensive in the opposite direction. And what literally blows me away is, the have no clue they do it.

LOL...the irony is hilarious.

Sounds like something "Stiffler" would have said. Thanks for the laugh.

Amen!

Now that makes me think of Revenge of the Nerds.

Yes, Trumpian is so much like retarded. The sad part is you can't even hear yourself. But I consider the source. That's why I don't take it seriously.

This just oozes empathy.

j/c...

Some pretty interesting stuff here. Regardless of "right and wrong", the big thing to learn from this pandemic is how easily politics can be used to create divisiveness and how the divisiveness creates even more fear and propaganda. Not that we didn't already know that, but we got to witness it on it's biggest stage.


Zuby is a UK independent rapper, author, life & fitness coach, public speaker, and host of the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast. He has 439,000 twitter followers and has appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. The list below is a thread he posted on twitter.

"@ZubyMusic
20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic' :

1/ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

2/ At least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies, which will emerge under the right conditions.

3/ Fear of death is only rivalled by the fear of social disapproval. The latter could be stronger.

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

5/ Anything and everything can and will be politicised by the media, government, and those who trust them.

6/ Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations.

7/ Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people. Even many who are vocal critics of the government.

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

9/ Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviours - for better or worse.

10/ When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it.

11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.

12/ Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said 'safety' is merely an illusion.

13/ Hedonic adaptation occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to 'normal'.

14/ A significant % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.

15/ 'The Science' has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself.

16/ Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

18/ If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights, by giving them money, food, and entertainment.

19/ Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.

20/ It's easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Bonus thought: 21/ Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions (this is good)
As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our 'leaders', CAN have malicious or perverse intentions (this is bad)."

Yet the vast majority of people coming down with the Delta variant are the unvaccinated and people still won't admit the facts. It's sad when people make saving lives political and label it as other things. Then blame the side trying to save American lives as the political ones.

Not sure why you say "YET, the vast majority", of course they're the ones getting sick. That's good, the vaccine is doing it's job.

As for the rest, I guess that means that you think one side is the only one being "political". If so, that's a very peculiar point of view.

Why? All those who you are claiming that are being political about it are saying is that to save lives everyone needs to get a vaccine. That if we don't achieve herd immunity there will continue to be even more, stronger variants because that's how viruses work. that's science, not politics. Can you please tell me what's political about that?

Yet when you make that sound as if it's political, you have what we have now. Areas of strong Trump support in the election have a lower vaccination rate. Cases are rising and in many of those places and we are seeing what happens when people try to claim science is politics.

You just went in a big circle. You say it shouldn't be political, then you say it's political by stating 'areas of strong Trump support have a lower vaccination rate."

Take politics out of it. That would be nice.

If you feel led to get the vaccination, do so. The shots are available everywhere. If you feel NOT led to get the vaccination, so be it. Suffer the consequences.

Thanks for doing the heavy lifting lmao.

First "everyone" was never getting the vaccine. No way, no how, not in any place on the planet. There would have to be something akin to the Black Death and carts full of bodies being wheeled through the streets. So if you take that fact and shame and blame -- drawing those statements along party lines -- you're being political. Not real hard to wrap your mind around that.

So all people that voted for Trump have refused the vaccine? And all those who are unvaccinated must be Trump supporters? That's been the narrative since the vaccine was rolled out. That's all politics with no science. You do understand that humans make their own decisions, don't you? Some people skydive with no fear of death. Many healthy people have snubbed their nose at Covid. That's just the way things work.

Still can't wrap my mind around how people don't understand that infection is a very important and necessary part of "herd immunity".

I know statistics are not your friend. No, not everyone was going to get the vaccine. But the facts are in about where the numbers are much higher that refuse to. Sorry that doesn't fit into the narrative you're trying to portray.

Infection wouldn't be needed to reach herd immunity of people didn't claim vaccines were some Democratic plot and did the right thing. But they won't. Don't blame me for the reality of the situation.

2 maps that explain how partisanship has poisoned our fight against Covid-19

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/08/politics/electoral-map-vaccine-map-covid-19/index.html

If it weren't political those maps wouldn't look that way. I guess you haven't been reading all the BS conspiracy theories about vaccinations. And no, it's not "strictly Republicans". But those maps indicate most of it is.

I know how hard people love to deny inconvenient truths.

https://www.kff.org

On this website they have all kinds of data about who has been vaccinated. For some reason I couldn't copy and paste the exact link.

What I read is Black and Hispanic communities are less vaccinated than others. However, Hispanics are catching up.

Now Trump supporters aren't broken out by group but it is wholly possible that the majority of whites not vaccinated are Trump supporters.

It could be.

I know a lot of Trump supporters...as in voted for him...and as far as I know all have received the vaccine.

I don't think this falls so much on political demographics as it does on age.

Most everything I have read is it is younger people who resist getting the vaccine.

The reality is it doesn't impact them as severely. If I was 28, I probably wouldn't be all that eager to get a experimental vaccine before I got some more reliable info as to long term health impact.

Your outlook is different when you realistically have 50 years in front of you as to me where short term becomes more importance over long term..

Anecdotally my buddy’s 19 year old daughter got the vaccine. She caught COVID fairly early on in all this. She then spent an entire year without the senses of smell or taste. It wasn’t until she got the vaccine that some of her senses started returning. She still isn’t 100% but it’s been a big improvement.

This is excellent. I agree with just about every one of these items. As I've aged and developed my political philosophy, I've come to the same conclusions listed here. It's like this guy has read my mind. I tried to pick a favorite or two to discuss, but couldn't.

I think number 7 should be clarified. "Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people..." I think instead of "government", it should read "their chosen party". Actually, a lot of these could be geared to, or are a result of, a two party system.

I'm also not sure if I agree with #9, "Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviours - for better or worse". I believe we are a stubborn bunch and getting people to change is not easy. If he is referring to getting people to mask up and get vaccinated, I think something as serious as a pandemic would be an outlier to this general statement.

All the rest are right in my political wheelhouse.

Glad to hear she is on the mend.

Don't misunderstand my comments. I am not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine. I am just saying I understand why they may choose not to get one.

My feeling is that everybody who wants to get one has had adequate chance to do so. The ones who haven't have seemingly made their choice.

You can now get them and nearly any pharmacy, and those aren't hard to find. If you go to the grocery store, it probably has a pharmacy.

They are out there to be had. Time to stop worrying about those who haven't received one because it isn't going to do any good.

OK...saying "any good" is too definitive, so make that very much, like very very little. Out there somewhere are probably a few who have no idea about Covid, and some more who have just been putting it off, and the message finally registers.

Click it or ticket has been around for a long time, yet you still have people who just aren't going to buckle-up because somewhere, some time someone burned in a car because the buckle wouldn't release.

If those are the odds they want to play, what can you do?

j/c

Almost all new COVID-19 cases are among people who have not been vaccinated

The Delta variant now accounts for more than half of the new coronavirus cases in the United States —52%. Almost all of the new cases — 99.7% —are among people who have not been vaccinated.

In Mississippi, a state with a low-vaccination rate, health officials urged people to avoid crowds. And in other vaccine-hesitant communities, there are new efforts to push back the Delta variant by encouraging more people to get the shot, Michael George reports for "CBS This Morning: Saturday."

The NAACP put boots on the ground in Louisville neighborhoods where only 30% of residents have been vaccinated, hoping flyers and conversations get more people to get shots.

Almost all new COVID-19 cases are among people who have not been vaccinated
cbs-this-morning-saturday

July 10, 2021 / 12:49 PM / CBS News

The Delta variant now accounts for more than half of the new coronavirus cases in the United States —52%. Almost all of the new cases — 99.7% —are among people who have not been vaccinated.

In Mississippi, a state with a low-vaccination rate, health officials urged people to avoid crowds. And in other vaccine-hesitant communities, there are new efforts to push back the Delta variant by encouraging more people to get the shot, Michael George reports for "CBS This Morning: Saturday."

The NAACP put boots on the ground in Louisville neighborhoods where only 30% of residents have been vaccinated, hoping flyers and conversations get more people to get shots.

The effort comes as cases are rising in 26 states. Hospitalization rates are up in 17 states — 27% in Florida, almost exclusively among the unvaccinated.

The far corners of Utah are hit hard, too.

"We're seeing people that are extremely sick with it," said Dr. Greg Gardner, chief of emergency medicine at Mountain West Hospital in Tooele, Utah. "A lot sicker than what they were the majority of the time in the winter time."

The demographic is younger since then.

Gardner said, "We haven't seen anybody that has been vaccinated."

Fifty-five percent of all Americans have received at least one dose of the vaccine, and almost half of the nation is fully vaccinated, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

With the pandemic persisting and the country yet to achieve herd immunity, there are questions about how long vaccinated people will remain protected. Questions like: Will the 158 million fully vaccinated Americans each need a booster shot?

Both the FDA and CDC said no on Friday; the fully vaccinated "do not need a booster at this time."

But both Pfizer and BioNtech officials announced they were seeking emergency-use authorization for a booster because antibody levels in the blood may decline six months after immunization, though studies dispute that, and leading physicians are counseling a go-slow approach.

Dr. Celine Gounder, a New York infectious disease specialist, said, "I think the headline here is that if you have received both doses of the Pfizer, or for that matter, the Moderna vaccine, you are fully protected against severe disease, hospitalization and death, even with the Delta variant."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-covid-19-cases-united-states-almost-all-among-people-unvaccinated/

Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says



(CNN)Unvaccinated people do more than merely risk their own health. They're also a risk to everyone if they become infected with coronavirus, infectious disease specialists say.

That's because the only source of new coronavirus variants is the body of an infected person.

"Unvaccinated people are potential variant factories," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Friday.

"The more unvaccinated people there are, the more opportunities for the virus to multiply," Schaffner said.

"When it does, it mutates, and it could throw off a variant mutation that is even more serious down the road."

All viruses mutate, and while the coronavirus is not particularly mutation-prone, it does change and evolve.

Most of the changes mean nothing to the virus, and some can weaken it. But sometimes, a virus develops a random mutation that gives it an advantage -- better transmissibility, for instance, or more efficient replication, or an ability to infect a great diversity of hosts.

Viruses with an advantage will outcompete other viruses, and will eventually make up the majority of virus particles infecting someone. If that infected person passes the virus to someone else, they'll be passing along the mutant version.

If a mutant version is successful enough, it becomes a variant.

But it has to replicate to do that. An unvaccinated person provides that opportunity.

"As mutations come up in viruses, the ones that persist are the ones that make it easier for the virus to spread in the population," Andrew Pekosz, a microbiologist and immunologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told CNN.

"Every time the viruses changes, that gives the virus a different platform to add more mutations. Now we have viruses that spread more efficiently."

Viruses that don't spread cannot mutate.

Variants have arisen all over the world -- the B.1.1.7 or Alpha variant was first seen in England. The B.1.351 or Beta variant was first spotted in South Africa. The Delta variant, also called B.1.617.2, was seen first in India. And the US has thrown up several of its own variants, including the B.1.427 or Epsilon lineage first seen in California, and the B.1.526 or Eta variant first seen in New York.

Already, one new variant has swept much of the world. Last summer, a version of the virus carrying a mutation called D614G went from Europe to the US and then the rest of the world. The change made the virus more successful -- it replicated better -- so that version took over from the original strain that emerged from China. It appeared before people starting naming the variants, but it became the default version of the virus.

Most of the newer variants added changes to D614G. The Alpha variant, or B.1.1.7, became the dominant variant in the US by late spring thanks to its extra transmissibility. Now the Delta variant is even more transmissible, and it's set to become the dominant variant in many countries, including the US.

The current vaccines protect well against all the variants so far, but that could change at any moment. That's why doctors and public health officials want more people to get vaccinated.

"The more we allow the virus to spread, the more opportunity the virus has to change," the World Health Organization advised last month.

Vaccines are not widely available in many countries. But in the US, there is plenty of supply, with slowing demand. Just 18 states have fully vaccinated more than half their residents, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"Currently, approximately 1,000 counties in the United States have vaccination coverage of less than 30%. These communities, primarily in the Southeast and Midwest, are our most vulnerable. In some of these areas, we are already seeing increasing rates of disease," CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told a White House briefing Thursday.

"Every time we see the virus circulating in the population, particularly a population that has pockets of immune people, vaccinated people, and pockets of unvaccinated people, you have a situation where the virus can probe," Pekosz said.

If a virus tries to infect someone with immunity, it may fail, or it may succeed and cause a mild or asymptomatic infection. In that case, it will replicate in response to the pressure from a primed immune system.

Like a bank robber whose picture is on wanted posters everywhere, the virus that succeeds will be the virus that makes a random change that makes it look less visible to the immune system.
Those populations of unvaccinated people give the virus the change not only to spread, but to change.

"All it takes is one mutation in one person," said Dr. Philip Landrigan, a pediatrician and immunologist at Boston College.



https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/03/health/unvaccinated-variant-factories/index.html

j/c

Misinformation is one of the biggest obstacles preventing people from knowing the truth about what these vaccines do. Not only do the vaccines help keep Covid symptoms down, they also help prevent people from getting Covid in the first place.

COVID-19 vaccines are effective

COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

Can I still get COVID-19 after I’m vaccinated?

COVID-19 vaccination will protect most people from getting sick with COVID-19.

A very small percentage of fully vaccinated people will still get COVID-19 if they are exposed to the COVID-19 virus. These are called vaccine breakthrough cases. Some people might not experience any symptoms and some people could become sick due to COVID-19.

However, vaccination might make illness less severe. If you are fully vaccinated, the overall risk of hospitalization and death due to COVID-19 is much lower than among unvaccinated people with similar risk factors.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...still-get-after



Please do not let those who either don't know any better or refuse to accept the truth convince you otherwise.

It's a very jaundiced viewpoint with a sprinkling of truth or commons sense. I think it might more widely apply to the internet and the way people behave and react online.

Just look at point 1 - in real life I don't think that's true at all. Online I think bias and 'keyboard warrior' / Troll persona is more influential and maybe ... Point 8 is the same - online maybe but not RL.

Point 3 is hyperbole ...

Point 4, 5 - well of course.

Point 6 - a sweeping and generalized statement - you could argue that any corporation or govt. that isn't pro environment and adhere to the most progressive agenda is sacrificing lives. You could argue anyone anti-vaccine is sacrificing lives. You could argue anyone pro-choice is sacrificing lives. the list is endless.

Point 11 ... no. Not at all. Qanon for example are conspiracy theorists and they are all bat chit crazy. The conspiracy theory that the Clintons were running a pedophile ring out of a pizza shop or were having dozens assinated was bat chit crazy. Again just a general sweeping statement. It doesn't mean that well researched ahead of the curve individuals who are right don't get labelled incorrectly as conspiracy theorists -- but "often" is subjective.

Point 13 - I had to look up Hedonic Adaptation - but it appears the author has incorrectly used the terminology, because everything I saw indicated that Hedonic Adaption means people DO get back to normal after seismic events.

Point 14 - what is "significant" ?

Meh... I mean some of it resonates, some if it reads like someone wanting to be the trendy smartest guy in the room. Viva La Revolution !

I'd probably summarize that many are apathetic and uneducated - and that is a huge problem. Whether because they are being manipulated, coerced, fooled or simply ignorant.

A little ironic to say conspiracy theorists are often right - when it is conspiracy theories that are feeding much of the hate and division in the USA right now. Q, Gaetz, MTG, Trump are all perfect examples.

A little ironic to insinuate there is an issue with education, propaganda and politics - while in the USA we can't even agree to teach accurate history to school kids.

It's actually wrong and a foolish thing to say. Unless the definition of "often" has changed.

I absolutely disagree. In this day and age people will say or do just about anything before going against the crowd or admitting they're wrong. Not just online. I see it at work, I see it at play in all levels of politics, I see it in places of business and social organizations. I can't believe you don't.




That is an ignorant statement. Social issues are a major contributing factor in the high suicide rates we are seeing, especially among teens and young adults. It's not hyperbole at all.


Then why mention it if you're trying to refute my post. Too obvious for your high level of intellect?



These are all generalized statements. His use of the word "many" in this case is saying that the problem is widespread and not just applicable to a few bad apples.



I don't know how you can say "not at all" to this. When someone finds fault with an opposing party stance, it is almost always labeled a conspiracy theory even if there is basis in fact. Especially here, lol.



I think it's fairly obvious that he meant "but once inertia sets in" instead of "and once inertia sets in".



Exactly what it means.... "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy". I agree with this...way too many people are willing to give up basic rights for safety, security and substinance.



You really haven't "meh'ed" anything.